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Gamite
06-04-2006, 05:37 AM
Had a trip to the dyno last night..

Furious:
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60329


Sickfinga:
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=60330

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 05:46 AM
My AFR is all over the place, stupid RMS tuning.

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 05:47 AM
Mark's AFRs

skillton
06-04-2006, 06:45 AM
Good numbers.
SickFinga I suggest you get a custom tune. Your AFRs aren't that bad, but they could use some fine tuning.
As for the other car, it's running a bit lean if it's a forced induction car. Some bad gas on a hot summer day and he can say goodbye to his rings/pistons. I hope the timing is somewhat conservative
BTW what's Furious' setup? I remember SickFinga had a supercharged 328(?)

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 06:52 AM
Good numbers.
SickFinga I suggest you get a custom tune. Your AFRs aren't that bad, but they could use some fine tuning.
As for the other car, it's running a bit lean if it's a forced induction car. Some bad gas on a hot summer day and he can say goodbye to his rings/pistons. I hope the timing is somewhat conservative
BTW what's Furious' setup? I remember SickFinga had a supercharged 328(?)

Furious has 325i with 3.0l swap and AA Supercharger (8.5psi)
I got M3(3.2l) with RMS Stage II SC (11psi)

skillton
06-04-2006, 07:12 AM
Furious has 325i with 3.0l swap and AA Supercharger (8.5psi)
I got M3(3.2l) with RMS Stage II SC (11psi)
Oh ok. Is there any place locally that can dyno tune your ECU? If so you should invest in some good tuning. If my AFRs looked like that I wouldn't rest till they were perfect. I guess that's why I have standalone and a wideband hooked up 24/7 :confused:

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 07:14 AM
Oh ok. Is there any place locally that can dyno tune your ECU? If so you should invest in some good tuning. If my AFRs looked like that I wouldn't rest till they were perfect. I guess that's why I have standalone and a wideband hooked up 24/7 :confused:

Emailed RMS with dyno graphs, I'll see what they'll say
Standalone is way over my head

skillton
06-04-2006, 07:21 AM
Emailed RMS with dyno graphs, I'll see what they'll say
Standalone is way over my head
Hopefully they can burn you another chip, I know a few VW companies burn/re-burn chips based on Dyno charts/AFRs.
Standalone is fun to play with but it's $$$$ and can be a bitch on a car that is driven on a daily basis

Sickbimmer
06-04-2006, 07:32 AM
Nice numbers Vlad. Is the car running better now? Where did you guys dyno at?

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 07:44 AM
Nice numbers Vlad. Is the car running better now? Where did you guys dyno at?
Nah, car still runs the same, sputtering at 4k rpms and check engine is on.

We did it at Dyno Power Services
416-752-3966

Furious
06-04-2006, 08:00 AM
thanks guys for posting the stuff up for me. apparently my a/f charts were ok, they figure because i have my cats on still that the numbers will be a bit richer on the engine side. and that also when the average summer weather hits i should rich out a bit more, however i will probably have to either go for another dyno come fall or buy that stupid wideband.

all in all im very happy with my numbers, im right where im suppose to be for this type of stage 1 kit

Sickbimmer
06-04-2006, 08:20 AM
How much did the dyno cost you? Whould they be able to dyno the E46 as well?

MarkD
06-04-2006, 08:30 AM
Nah, car still runs the same, sputtering at 4k rpms and check engine is on.

We did it at Dyno Power Services
416-752-3966


Did you measure the a/f ratio at the tailpipe or the bung that was installed last year? If it the tailpipe, the cat has an effect plus there is a delay in the reading. Also, what type of O2 sensor was used? Was it a wideband sensor like I use or the type used by emisions testing places where the exhuast is sampled by a hose?

I finally have time to look at the tuning I read from your car, I'll have a look to see if I can lean it out.

MarkD

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 08:41 AM
How much did the dyno cost you? Whould they be able to dyno the E46 as well?

Why not?
He dynoed my car at 11:30pm and there were more cars comming in. I dont think that place ever closes.
$60 with AFR reading.

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 08:43 AM
Did you measure the a/f ratio at the tailpipe or the bung that was installed last year? If it the tailpipe, the cat has an effect plus there is a delay in the reading. Also, what type of O2 sensor was used? Was it a wideband sensor like I use or the type used by emisions testing places where the exhuast is sampled by a hose?

I finally have time to look at the tuning I read from your car, I'll have a look to see if I can lean it out.

MarkD

Mark, it was at the tailpipe, I dont think I have that bung anymore since I installed longer headers and my cats were cut.
I'm sure it was wideband, since that place only does dyno tuning.

Sickbimmer
06-04-2006, 08:54 AM
I thought you need a gt1 to dyno the E46 M3's. Where is this place located? Thanx Vlad.

P.S Why are you guys up so early?

MarkD
06-04-2006, 08:57 AM
Mark, it was at the tailpipe, I dont think I have that bung anymore since I installed longer headers and my cats were cut.
I'm sure it was wideband, since that place only does dyno tuning.

My O2 sensor is a zirconia O2 sensor which is placed in the tailpipe.

The other type of ( electrochemical sensor ) is also a wideband sensor but a sampling tube sucks up some exhaust and then brings it into contact with the sensor about 15 feet from the tailpipe, introducing a delay. I assume they have the zirconia type then but wanted to be sure.

Here is some info on the two types:

http://www.illinoisinstruments.com/oxygen-sensor.html


MarkD

MarkD
06-04-2006, 09:00 AM
I thought you need a gt1 to dyno the E46 M3's. Where is this place located? Thanx Vlad.

P.S Why are you guys up so early?


You don't need a GT-1 to dyno an E46 M3. I can get it to rev up to 8K or so either by modifying the software or another method.

MarkD

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 09:04 AM
I thought you need a gt1 to dyno the E46 M3's. Where is this place located? Thanx Vlad.

P.S Why are you guys up so early?

What the hell is GT1?
Its on Keele and Lawrence.

Cause some of us still didnt go to sleep :)

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 09:05 AM
My O2 sensor is a zirconia O2 sensor which is placed in the tailpipe.

The other type of ( electrochemical sensor ) is also a wideband sensor but a sampling tube sucks up some exhaust and then brings it into contact with the sensor about 15 feet from the tailpipe, introducing a delay. I assume they have the zirconia type then but wanted to be sure.

Here is some info on the two types:

http://www.illinoisinstruments.com/oxygen-sensor.html


MarkD


Mark from what I remember it was a big box, kinda like on that website.

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 09:06 AM
You don't need a GT-1 to dyno an E46 M3. I can get it to rev up to 8K or so either by modifying the software or another method.

MarkD

So it's rev thing Fabio is worring about?
When we were there they were dyno tuning a civic, I was told it reved to 10,000 rpms, so 8k shouldnt be a problem

Furious
06-04-2006, 09:13 AM
Why not?
He dynoed my car at 11:30pm and there were more cars comming in. I dont think that place ever closes.
$60 with AFR reading.

its actually 80 for 3 runs with afr readings, 60 for 2 runs, and yes they do e46's they do all cars, they had a red e46 S/C (wonder who that was).

Furious
06-04-2006, 09:14 AM
GT-1 is the diagnostic software used by BMW

MarkD
06-04-2006, 09:15 AM
So it's rev thing Fabio is worring about?
When we were there they were dyno tuning a civic, I was told it reved to 10,000 rpms, so 8k shouldnt be a problem


The problem is that an E46 BMW M3 will only rev to 6000 or so if the DME (ECU) sees that the front wheels are not moving. The GT-1 is a diagnostic tool used by BMW, you can tell the ECU to allow the motor to rev higher during a dyno test.

Did you go to Yoshi's dyno? He mainly tunes ricer cars.

Furious
06-04-2006, 09:17 AM
woot i just realized i made almost 302 lol i thought it was 300

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 09:19 AM
The problem is that an E46 BMW M3 will only rev to 6000 or so if the DME (ECU) sees that the front wheels are not moving. The GT-1 is a diagnostic tool used by BMW, you can tell the ECU to allow the motor to rev higher during a dyno test.

Did you go to Yoshi's dyno? He mainly tunes ricer cars.

ohhhhhhh had no idea.
well I guess Fab should call them to find out.


Yoshi??

ara325
06-04-2006, 10:13 AM
The problem is that an E46 BMW M3 will only rev to 6000 or so if the DME (ECU) sees that the front wheels are not moving.

that's awesome. every model gets closer and closer to AI...or something of that sort.:idea:

propr'one
06-04-2006, 12:12 PM
Those are great numbers guys, gotta love the linear accel on the s/c, and the added few horse on the turbo*th-up*

Sickbimmer
06-04-2006, 12:34 PM
The gt1 tool is $60,000 so not to many people have it. To my understanding E46 M3's need this tool to get dynoed. When I dynoed the E46 M3 last, The guys at Cross ave brought there gt1 tool to the dyno for me. But I didn't get a A/F reading. I don't feel like driving down there everytime I mod my car. (I got 2 more things in mind*angel* ) I hope to be alittle over 550HP at the crank/ 460rwhp.

paul christians
06-04-2006, 12:35 PM
both cars need some fine tuning...........

Furious
06-04-2006, 02:47 PM
The gt1 tool is $60,000 so not to many people have it. To my understanding E46 M3's need this tool to get dynoed. When I dynoed the E46 M3 last, The guys at Cross ave brought there gt1 tool to the dyno for me. But I didn't get a A/F reading. I don't feel like driving down there everytime I mod my car. (I got 2 more things in mind*angel* ) I hope to be alittle over 550HP at the crank/ 460rwhp.

what size nozzle you gonna be using for that one mod? :D:D


and yeah the GT1 is expensive, but the autologic is a good alternative that lots of mechanics use, does everything the GT1 does from what i understand and it only cost about 10,000+ USD.

fab let me know when you go to the dyno , i wanna be there for that.

Sickbimmer
06-04-2006, 04:15 PM
I'll be using a different bottle that your thinking of, A new product. It should be ready in about 2 weeks. With my last dyno being 433rwhp, 450 to 460rwhp should be within striking distance. I'll let you know when I head out to the dyno. I'll be taking both cars out this time.

Gamite
06-04-2006, 04:30 PM
Dyno Power Services doesn't have the equipment for dyno'ing E46 M3. (We tried it already :D)

SickFinga
06-04-2006, 05:23 PM
Dyno Power Services doesn't have the equipment for dyno'ing E46 M3. (We tried it already :D)

Ahhhh sucks, stupid E46 M3, I dont want it anymore :P

MarkD
06-04-2006, 05:50 PM
Ahhhh sucks, stupid E46 M3, I dont want it anymore :P

Vlad I can change a few bytes in the software of an E46 M3 and then you can dyno it with no mods.

MarkD

Sickbimmer
06-04-2006, 05:52 PM
Dyno Power Services doesn't have the equipment for dyno'ing E46 M3. (We tried it already :D)
Who's M3 did you try and dyno? Then how did they dyno the red S/C M3 that was there. Maybe it was a 330ci.

Gamite
06-04-2006, 09:14 PM
Who's M3 did you try and dyno? Then how did they dyno the red S/C M3 that was there. Maybe it was a 330ci.


well it wasn't me, it was my friend's friend. and I sorta recall someone mentioning a red M3 now that you mention it.

MarkD
06-06-2006, 09:04 AM
Nah, car still runs the same, sputtering at 4k rpms and check engine is on.

We did it at Dyno Power Services
416-752-3966


Vlad,

I am going to make a new file for you car based on these graphs. Is the CEL always on or only in certain rpm ranges?

Give me a call today if you can.

MarkD

328power
06-06-2006, 03:08 PM
Nice #'s guys !! have either of you been to the track ? what kind of 1/4 mile do you run ?

Furious
06-06-2006, 04:44 PM
thanks dude, i dunno what im gonna be running but people with similar setups are running 13.2-13.0's so id be happy with numbers like that. i assume vlads car would run better than that.

crusher
06-06-2006, 10:57 PM
nice numbers guys.. Mark damn, you got to get me a ride on that beast. Mine's almost done.. hopefully by friday I can bring it out.

RMPMOTORS
06-06-2006, 11:03 PM
Nice #'s guys, Vlad how does the car feel with the new headers?

Rocco

SickFinga
06-07-2006, 04:17 AM
Vlad,

I am going to make a new file for you car based on these graphs. Is the CEL always on or only in certain rpm ranges?

Give me a call today if you can.

MarkD


Mark, PMed you.

Nice #'s guys, Vlad how does the car feel with the new headers?

Rocco

Thanks Rocco.
Headers? Rocco I didnt feel any difference between 200rwhp and 340rwhp, do you really think I noticed any difference with the header? :)

RMPMOTORS
06-07-2006, 09:38 AM
LOL, 100hp gain is nothing...

I didn't notice when I went from 300hp to 500hp in the race car, untill I was doing 300kph on the backstraight at Mosport.


*th-up*

crusher
06-12-2006, 12:19 PM
Nah, car still runs the same, sputtering at 4k rpms and check engine is on.

We did it at Dyno Power Services
416-752-3966

Hey Vlad.. do you have any contact there.. i'm getting their voicemail everytime I call em.

Thanks
Jeff

Furious
06-12-2006, 12:50 PM
thats the only number that i have as well, he works odd hours, leave a VM and he calls you back, he called me back within an hour or so.

Evo328i
06-12-2006, 02:45 PM
Wow Guys nice numbers... when i buy a BMW again i will hope to surpass those numbers and hopefully rig up an s/c and turbo system for it to get best of both worlds.. but for sure it must be a thrill to drive them now.

Hope to see you guys at the track ... just remember yellow srt4 with 400hp :D