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Mystikal
05-13-2006, 10:24 AM
I had to climb into the shelf this morning to get the last jug of 15W-50 synthetic this morning. Yeah, should have seen the look on the woman's face beside me.

Seems they figure we'll all like 5W-50 instead. I don't. Anyone know where still carries it? Part Source?

Jon@Bimmersport
05-13-2006, 10:50 AM
your answer = lubi-molly

try it Jay.

Mystikal
05-13-2006, 10:56 AM
If it was sold in M20-friendly grades I'd use it.

I may end up using Redline or Royal Purple 20W-50 synthetic.

Axxe
05-13-2006, 11:00 AM
I'm going to buy a dozen jugs in Walmart when I go down to the states.

T.Dot_E30
05-13-2006, 11:07 AM
yet another reason not to use synthetic in an m20

*th-up*

Chris de la Cruz
05-13-2006, 11:11 AM
really? LOL last month i cleaned out the shelf at the location in my area :D

Axxe
05-13-2006, 11:25 AM
Trev, I'm probably one of the few that uses synthetic oil the way it's supposed to be used; prolonged exposure to high temperatures (on the track). Although driving on the highway for 5+ hrs attains high oil temps too.

Lester
05-13-2006, 12:38 PM
I had to climb into the shelf this morning to get the last jug of 15W-50 synthetic this morning. Yeah, should have seen the look on the woman's face beside me.

Seems they figure we'll all like 5W-50 instead. I don't. Anyone know where still carries it? Part Source?I don't recall discontinuing this SKU from our assortment. I'll have an answer from the Category Management Team Monday...

Mystikal
05-13-2006, 01:48 PM
I first noticed months ago that the shelf sticker said 5W50/15W50, and that most of the rack was the newer style jug (all 5W-50). Three seperate locations (Yonge/Bloor, Rylander, Rutherford/400) all had the same thing going on.

It would be nice to see what's going on. Now that the 15W-50 is gone there is no longer an oil offered to suit my needs.

Lester
05-13-2006, 02:19 PM
I first noticed months ago that the shelf sticker said 5W50/15W50, and that most of the rack was the newer style jug (all 5W-50). Three seperate locations (Yonge/Bloor, Rylander, Rutherford/400) all had the same thing going on.

It would be nice to see what's going on. Now that the 15W-50 is gone there is no longer an oil offered to suit my needs.It could just have come down to retail productivity - I'll post an explanation Monday!

propr'one
05-13-2006, 03:03 PM
since i am useless at everything, chris (chrome) offered to hook me up an oil change. I grabbed 2 bottles of 5W50, and was told that 15W50 is being discontinued by mobil 1, not crappy tire. Markham & 14th, and mcewan and 401 locations both told me the same thing

Lester
05-13-2006, 06:28 PM
since i am useless at everything, chris (chrome) offered to hook me up an oil change. I grabbed 2 bottles of 5W50, and was told that 15W50 is being discontinued by mobil 1, not crappy tire. Markham & 14th, and mcewan and 401 locations both told me the same thingPlease refrain from the use of the term "Crappy" in my presence:D I believe you're right - I'll confirm Monday...

propr'one
05-13-2006, 07:04 PM
You're not the only one here who works for canadian tire;)

Lester
05-13-2006, 07:07 PM
You're not the only one here who works for canadian tire;)r328i

ZiMMie
05-14-2006, 02:55 PM
Since we are ownd by ctc, every item that get's discontinued gets discontinued down here as well.

Lester
05-15-2006, 07:36 AM
Since we are ownd by ctc, every item that get's discontinued gets discontinued down here as well.Part Source? Not necessarily true - PS has a multitude of unique SKU's in their assortment, including oil...

ZiMMie
05-15-2006, 09:24 AM
Part Source? Not necessarily true - PS has a multitude of unique SKU's in their assortment, including oil...
We use the same sku's as Ctc. if push comes to shove u can get it from one of a our third parties(if they carry it). but headoffice do it send us this type of oil to be stocked on our shelfs.

Lester
05-15-2006, 09:34 AM
I had to climb into the shelf this morning to get the last jug of 15W-50 synthetic this morning. Yeah, should have seen the look on the woman's face beside me.

Seems they figure we'll all like 5W-50 instead. I don't. Anyone know where still carries it? Part Source?MOBILE/EXXON no longer importing 15W-50 to the Canadian Market (Low Productivity - typically only sells in very Hot climates). Some CTC stores have inventory remaining and than that's it. IMO 15W is an awfully high cold viscosity in our climate.

Axxe
05-15-2006, 09:50 AM
Lester, the M20 series motors needs that high of a viscosity in the summer, and a 5W-50 has too high of a spread for the M20 (breaks down faster than 15W-50). I just picked up a half dozen jugs in Buffalo on Saturday, much cheaper at $27 USD / 5 qts

Lester
05-15-2006, 11:47 AM
Lester, the M20 series motors needs that high of a viscosity in the summer, and a 5W-50 has too high of a spread for the M20 (breaks down faster than 15W-50). I just picked up a half dozen jugs in Buffalo on Saturday, much cheaper at $27 USD / 5 qtsThe operating temperature viscosity is the same - Mobile recommends 0W-40 synthetic in your cars with low milage and 10W-40 conventional oil > 100,000 miles (160,000km) - The oil does not "break down" any quicker, the only difference is the flow rate at ambient temperatures - one could argue that a thicker cold viscosity will leak less through valve seals etc. however that's the only tangible difference between 15-50 & 5-50 (startup flow rate). You're an engineer - you should know this stuff:D

Mystikal
05-15-2006, 06:40 PM
The operating temperature viscosity is the same - Mobile recommends 0W-40 synthetic in your cars with low milage and 10W-40 conventional oil > 100,000 miles (160,000km) - The oil does not "break down" any quicker, the only difference is the flow rate at ambient temperatures - one could argue that a thicker cold viscosity will leak less through valve seals etc. however that's the only tangible difference between 15-50 & 5-50 (startup flow rate). You're an engineer - you should know this stuff:D

0W-40 and 10W-40 shouldn't be in ANY M20 above 10 degrees celsius or so. These motors have massive tolerances, and need oil with very high heat capabilities.

5W-50, while it sounds ideal, has downsides. I run it in the winter, but I will not do it in the summer. 15W-50 synthetic already flows better at low temps than 10W-40 non-synthetic (which is a good M20 winter oil), so I have no desire at all to have a wider viscosity range in the summer.

Too bad. I'll miss being able to drive a few mins down the street for motor oil.

Lester
05-16-2006, 07:53 AM
0W-40 and 10W-40 shouldn't be in ANY M20 above 10 degrees celsius or so. These motors have massive tolerances, and need oil with very high heat capabilities.

5W-50, while it sounds ideal, has downsides. I run it in the winter, but I will not do it in the summer. 15W-50 synthetic already flows better at low temps than 10W-40 non-synthetic (which is a good M20 winter oil), so I have no desire at all to have a wider viscosity range in the summer.

Too bad. I'll miss being able to drive a few mins down the street for motor oil.http://www.imperialoil.ca/Canada-English/Files/Products_Lubes/IOCAENPVLMOMobil_1_5W-50.pdf

Specs in case you change your mind.

In addition, you may want to try Amsoil 20W50
http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/aro.aspx

Mystikal
05-18-2006, 09:28 PM
Wait, does your company carry 20W-50 AMS? I'd hit that, I always liked their products; I just didn't think you would carry such a grade.

STALKER
05-19-2006, 12:58 AM
I might have some actually, about 6 liters, but I won't be able to check till I get back into the GTA, which won't be for another month or so. Its the one with the red cap right?

Axxe
05-19-2006, 03:25 AM
Lester, narrow viscosity spread means lower chance for oil degradation over time. M20's run hot, and have huge tolerances (a reason they seem to last forever), so the thicker oil helps the motor burn less oil. I burned about two litres of 5W50 between oilchanges in the winter (5-6 k between changes), but with 20W50 GTX or 15W50 mobil 1 I only burn oil at the track :D

Mystikal
05-19-2006, 09:41 AM
I might have some actually, about 6 liters, but I won't be able to check till I get back into the GTA, which won't be for another month or so. Its the one with the red cap right?

The 5W-50 has a red cap too. The big jug is 4.4L.

STALKER
05-19-2006, 11:19 AM
The 5W-50 has a red cap too. The big jug is 4.4L.
I'll check to see which it is, I have a big jug and a few smaller ones.

Axxe
05-24-2006, 11:40 PM
4.72 (5 qt) jugs of Mobil 1 in 15W-50 now available for $40 cash, pickup :D

Lester
05-25-2006, 04:13 PM
Lester, narrow viscosity spread means lower chance for oil degradation over time. M20's run hot, and have huge tolerances (a reason they seem to last forever), so the thicker oil helps the motor burn less oil. I burned about two litres of 5W50 between oilchanges in the winter (5-6 k between changes), but with 20W50 GTX or 15W50 mobil 1 I only burn oil at the track :DIf you're burning/leaking it that fast you should start running straight STP Treatment - Or time for a rebuild;)

Lester
05-25-2006, 04:20 PM
http://www.carbibles.com/viscosity.html

Axxe
05-25-2006, 04:30 PM
If you're burning/leaking it that fast you should start running straight STP Treatment - Or time for a rebuild;)

You have never owned an M20 powered car, have you?

Lester
05-25-2006, 04:39 PM
You have never owned an M20 powered car, have you?No - Sounds like they burn more oil than fuel - like a chevy vega - check the gas and top up the oil please. On another note - make sure you have a helmet for the Dunville lapping day event in August*th-up*

Axxe
05-25-2006, 04:41 PM
No - Sounds like they burn more oil than fuel - like a chevy vega - check the gas and top up the oil please. On another note - make sure you have a helmet for the Dunville lapping day event in August*th-up*


It came two weeks ago. They actually don't burn much oil at all. I burned half a litre so far into this oil change (4 k and a track day). I only drive fast and faster though.

Lester
05-25-2006, 04:42 PM
Lester, narrow viscosity spread means lower chance for oil degradation over time. :DSimply not true - and the way the M20 goes through it, it would never be in the engine long enough:D

Mystikal
05-25-2006, 09:53 PM
http://www.carbibles.com/viscosity.html

This is just a simple explanation of what viscosity means. Has nothing to do with degredation of heat capability over time, which is what we are discussing.

I have product data sheets for a bunch of different oils (mineral and synthetic) printed out, it was a slow night at work so I was doing some research. I just may run the 5W-50 Mobil1 year round, the specs are impressive. I still want comfirmation that the oil will remain as capable at high heat at 5k kms though.

Big T
05-26-2006, 12:06 AM
I work at the Kitchener, ottawa street CTC. We also don't carry the 15w50 jugs anymore, we have some 1 quarts left but thats about it