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STALKER
05-10-2006, 05:40 PM
OK, I might be selling it. It has some scratches on it, but when its installed, you can't see them. Makes an amazing sound. Cost me $4000USD with software, you can run any software or no software with it. The intake does work and you will notice a diff when installed. The mounting hardware has all be upgraded to real motorsport pieces. Asking $1700USD for it. I can have it to you by mid June, thats when I get back. This is to put the word out. Only one is Canada as far as I know.

STALKER
05-10-2006, 05:53 PM
more details can be found here.
http://www.kinetechnik.com/

Sickbimmer
05-10-2006, 05:55 PM
Why are you selling that peice of art work?

Bump for a great intake and nice seller.*th-up*

STALKER
05-10-2006, 05:59 PM
Going a diff route, getting some engine work done, and they want to use something else.
I asked to keep this piece, as I love it, but they feel it wont work as well, so they want to use there own stuff, the shop is EA.

STALKER
05-10-2006, 06:34 PM
Another pic, from Rick's collection from May 4th event.

JazzM
05-11-2006, 05:35 PM
PM sent!

T.

STALKER
05-11-2006, 06:39 PM
PM replied.

STALKER
05-11-2006, 07:59 PM
Seems like its sold.

Quack
05-11-2006, 08:28 PM
did Tom buy this?, it would go nice on his Z3

JazzM
05-11-2006, 09:15 PM
Yes, awaiting Stalkers return so I can pick it up.

T.

Quack
05-11-2006, 09:18 PM
nice, I was going to PM you yesterday about this, you should go for a dyno run after the install

JazzM
05-11-2006, 10:17 PM
I will install this and the cams (schrick CSL 288/280 race cams) at the same time then dyno tune the software (MarkD).

T.

Ant118
05-11-2006, 10:39 PM
Tom will u have them in for the June School.

STALKER
05-11-2006, 11:56 PM
at the moment I don't get back into town till late June, hopefully sooner though.

JazzM
05-12-2006, 11:31 AM
Probably won't have them installed by the school but shortly thereafter.

T.

STALKER
05-12-2006, 01:07 PM
Tom, you sure it will fit?
I thought for minute you might not have enought room, but seems like your engine bay is large enough to house it all.

JazzM
05-12-2006, 03:47 PM
http://www.kinetechnik.com/press/mcoupe/1.jpg

STALKER
05-12-2006, 04:41 PM
lol, nice pic.

Sickbimmer
05-12-2006, 06:14 PM
You guys have tooo much money*love*

SickFinga
05-12-2006, 06:20 PM
You guys have tooo much money*love*
:rolleyes:

STALKER
05-12-2006, 07:27 PM
You guys have tooo much money*love*
2 LSB SCed M3s, hmmm. I think your trunk is open, lolol. *th-up*

STALKER
07-08-2006, 06:47 PM
Enjoy the intake Tom.

330ci05
07-09-2006, 11:03 AM
Enjoy the intake Tom.


and all that more power :rolleyes:

STALKER
07-10-2006, 03:31 AM
and all that more power :rolleyes:
talking out of this :moon: ?

SpoolinS6
07-10-2006, 05:01 AM
Tom that ///MZ3 is a ****ing machine man jesus christ ! when i hear it i get this good feeling inside like i dunno man i just love the damn thing lol

330ci05
07-10-2006, 07:54 AM
talking out of this :moon: ?


lol.....*no-no*

JazzM
07-10-2006, 10:46 AM
Tom that ///MZ3 is a ****ing machine man jesus christ ! when i hear it i get this good feeling inside like i dunno man i just love the damn thing lol

Thanks, I fall in love with her every time I hear the engine come to life and feel the accelleration push me back into the seat.

Cams and manifold going on this/next week. After that once I get the software I will dyno her to see the numbers.

Very conservative numbers should be around 400 at the crank.

T.

330ci05
07-10-2006, 11:40 AM
Thanks, I fall in love with her every time I hear the engine come to life and feel the accelleration push me back into the seat.

Cams and manifold going on this/next week. After that once I get the software I will dyno her to see the numbers.

Very conservative numbers should be around 400 at the crank.

T.

nice!!!! love ur beast :D*th-up*

Sickbimmer
07-10-2006, 06:55 PM
Tom you need to get that thing on a dyno. Estimates don't do the car justice.

STALKER
07-10-2006, 10:36 PM
Thanks, I fall in love with her every time I hear the engine come to life and feel the accelleration push me back into the seat.

Cams and manifold going on this/next week. After that once I get the software I will dyno her to see the numbers.

Very conservative numbers should be around 400 at the crank.

T.
How do you figure 400? I think you are over estimating. I think 370ish is more realistic. There is not much room left in that engine.

STALKER
07-10-2006, 10:37 PM
Tom you need to get that thing on a dyno. Estimates don't do the car justice.
I gotta get mine done too, you had it done with Sam right?

Sickbimmer
07-11-2006, 06:23 AM
Yup, it was done at Tag motorsrorts.

JazzM
07-11-2006, 07:39 AM
euro M3 is 343 (different headers/cats)
delage claims 25 from intake
cams at least another 25 (vac motorsports claims 40)
software, headers, no cats, exhaust, pulleys, fan delete should be over 400

I'll do one before and after... good to see what we're starting with.

T.

330ci05
07-11-2006, 09:17 AM
euro M3 is 343 (different headers/cats)
delage claims 25 from intake
cams at least another 25 (vac motorsports claims 40)
software, headers, no cats, exhaust, pulleys, fan delete should be over 400

I'll do one before and after... good to see what we're starting with.

T.


don't bet ur life on it.... the rest sounds good..... post up the dyno when u get it *th-up*

JazzM
07-11-2006, 01:39 PM
I will definately dyno it. Drove my friends car with cams (slightly less aggressive then mine - 282/280 vs 290/282) and there was a big difference espeically on the top end.

Also keep in mind that the Z3 has a very low driveline loss (ca. 12-13%) compared to e36/e46 (ca. 18%). So rwhp numbers will also be 3-5% higher.

T.

STALKER
07-11-2006, 02:48 PM
the 343, is also dff way of measuring it. You have headers and cats, so that number is not really valid, as the diff mostly comes from the headers and cats. You wont get 25 from the intake. Cams are really worth more like 15 or so. I think you will be around 370 to 375, which is still a very strong number.
Im hoping to be around there too when Im done.

JazzM
07-12-2006, 09:26 AM
no kitties ;) and SS headers.

T.

JazzM
07-12-2006, 11:40 AM
the 343, is also dff way of measuring it. You have headers and cats, so that number is not really valid, as the diff mostly comes from the headers and cats. You wont get 25 from the intake. Cams are really worth more like 15 or so. I think you will be around 370 to 375, which is still a very strong number.
Im hoping to be around there too when Im done.

I'll be very happy with 370-375 at the wheels... :D

T.

STALKER
07-12-2006, 03:04 PM
I'll be very happy with 370-375 at the wheels... :D

T.
lol, its good to dream and set your hopes high, lol.

spencerk
07-12-2006, 03:35 PM
375 at the wheels???

not likely without a big comp. bump......

JazzM
07-12-2006, 04:17 PM
manifold going on on friday, cams and software next week. Will be up at shannonville on saturday.

T.

SickFinga
07-12-2006, 04:53 PM
euro M3 is 343 (different headers/cats)
delage claims 25 from intake
cams at least another 25 (vac motorsports claims 40)
software, headers, no cats, exhaust, pulleys, fan delete should be over 400

I'll do one before and after... good to see what we're starting with.

T.
Tom, Euro M3 is measured in DIN HP, while in North America we measure in SAE HP.
1.01 DIN HP = 1 SAE HP.

Thats why E60 M5 in europe rated at 507hp, but in North America it is 500hp. Those cars are identical though.

343 DIN HP is 338 SAE HP
So Euro spec e46 m3 only gains 5hp at the peak over US SPEC.

Also, I doubt you'll ever reach 400hp, here is an example
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PTG-BMW-E46-M3-3-2-AND-3-4-LOWERED-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4641437960QQcategoryZ98064QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

A race prepped 3.2l PTG M3 only has 420hp. And that thing has EVERYTHING money can buy, also it needs a rebuilt pretty often.

BTW, I dynoed my car with a aa trackpipe last friday(no cats), guess how much HP I gain?
3rwhp after 6k rpms, and lost 5rwhp and 10rwlbs/ft everywhere under 6k rpms. And thats on forced induction car, Im sure on NA, the gains are even less.

Anyway, just dyno it, and stop the guessing game.

Sickbimmer
07-12-2006, 05:06 PM
I gained nearly 20rwhp when I went from no cats to race cats. I think these engines need the back preasure.

STALKER
07-12-2006, 05:12 PM
I gained nearly 20rwhp when I went from no cats to race cats. I think these engines need the back preasure.
FI changes things.

Sickbimmer
07-12-2006, 05:32 PM
I think Toms setup is good for about 300-315 rwhp.roughly 375hp

STALKER
07-12-2006, 05:57 PM
ya, he should see a good 370 to 380 at the crank.
EA is getting a new dyno soon, which is suppose to be very accurate. I have to get mine dynoed too, cause I got a few things added too.

JazzM
07-13-2006, 09:13 AM
I think Toms setup is good for about 300-315 rwhp.roughly 375hp

Yes, but due to the lower drive train loss, keep in mind that 375 crank hp will equate to about 330 RWHp on my car.

T.

330ci05
07-13-2006, 09:30 AM
Yes, but due to the lower drive train loss, keep in mind that 375 crank hp will equate to about 330 RWHp on my car.

T.


only one way to find out :D .. let us know when it happens and good luck *th-up*

spencerk
07-13-2006, 09:54 AM
335-340 at the wheels with proper tuning of the vanos timing......

I have made 320 with no cams, euro headers, and not cats and alot of tuning...

spencerk
07-13-2006, 09:55 AM
I also tested the BMW motorsports airbox.... very small gains with the stock cams..... the stock airbox is quite effecient.....

JazzM
07-13-2006, 11:01 AM
335-340 corresponds to around 400 crank hp

Which cams are you running? Who did the tunning for you?

T.

spencerk
07-13-2006, 12:16 PM
as stated above that was with stock cams...
I did the tuning myself....

the only way you will get an accurate crank number is to put it on an engine dyno... this 13-18 % is a big range and dependant on many factors....

I know VAC claims they made 400 on the engine dyno but they also blow up...

you will be close to 400.... 380-390....

regardeless your car will be quick whether its 410 or 380 hp....

SickFinga
07-13-2006, 01:49 PM
Just wondering Tom, why do you think Z3 got less drivetrain loss?

JazzM
07-13-2006, 02:01 PM
Due to the driveshaft is considerably shorter (less rotating mass).

That is what a LTW flywheel/carbon driveshaft will do, not make more power but help you regain some of the drivetrain loss.

T.

STALKER
07-13-2006, 06:04 PM
We should start a new thread and discuss it.

JazzM
07-16-2006, 01:03 AM
ok :)

T.