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Furious
03-10-2006, 03:27 PM
posting this for autotrend, they have a complete engine and drivetrain from an e46 M3 at the shop that someone decided not to put in for reasons unknown to me. the only thing the engine is missing is the wiring harness as far as i know. contact Don at autotrend 416-696-2277 or via email through the site www.autotrend.net Don will have more information on the engine and or will get you in touch with the owner of it.

you can probably get this for $6,000..

Soldo
03-10-2006, 04:54 PM
Wow...... hmmmmm, this WOULD be nice in an E46 sedan.... tranny come with it?

JazzM
03-10-2006, 04:55 PM
They usually sell for about 7-8000 USD on ebay.

Around 10K with transmission.

I got mine wholesale for 8K CND with only 500km on it.

T.

BMWags
03-10-2006, 11:50 PM
give shmajer a shout!

i wonder if this will drop in my e50 m50 hahah

shimajer
03-11-2006, 12:13 AM
yah he already did haha
its out of my budget. its not as easy as dropping in a 330 motor since a 330 motor is just bolt on

BmW1718
03-11-2006, 12:25 AM
yea great price i gotta say for tranny and engine great stuff

superman123
03-11-2006, 12:48 AM
would it fit in a e36 m3*wiggle*

RMPMOTORS
03-11-2006, 01:18 AM
An option for this Motor would be standalone management if there is no DME or wiring harness with the motor.

Bump for a great price.

Furious
03-11-2006, 02:45 AM
i believe it does have the DME, just not the harness

tominizer
03-11-2006, 07:02 AM
Fak............. I win the lottery tonite and I'll pick it up for my E30 M3 :D

jeremy
03-11-2006, 07:27 AM
yah he already did haha
its out of my budget. its not as easy as dropping in a 330 motor since a 330 motor is just bolt on

for that price you would be nutz not too buy it....IMO

JazzM
03-11-2006, 12:51 PM
would it fit in a e36 m3*wiggle*

Yes, same size motor, mechanically it bolts right up. The issue is with the electrical. My S54 conversion took about 8 months. then the second was about 5 weeks (waiting on a few parts).

T.

RMPMOTORS
03-11-2006, 02:41 PM
It is an "easy" swap into e36 with standalone!!

Soldo
03-11-2006, 04:20 PM
How much would a swap like this run for an E36?

static
03-11-2006, 07:56 PM
give Charlie a call, he just recently completed a S52 into E30 conversion with great results. (i understand this one is S54)
into E36 it should be even easier IMO.

Alex

RMPMOTORS
03-11-2006, 07:59 PM
The s54 motor is no where the same as a s52, the s52 is the same as a M50 and can be done in a garage at home..


The s54 would be a excellent swap into a e36 but would require almost all the factory wiring to run it using the factory s54 DME, Ask JAZZ M, he knows.

rendered
03-12-2006, 11:50 PM
hmmm maybe I should buy this?

hesitant though, I don't know who the motor is from, and why the owner wouldn't put it in and sell it instead.

JazzM
03-13-2006, 08:20 AM
hmmm maybe I should buy this?

hesitant though, I don't know who the motor is from, and why the owner wouldn't put it in and sell it instead.

Well first thing you have to understand is that early S54 motors had connecting rod bearing failures. If its a 2001-2003 motor than you have to take that into consideration and know the milage and service history of the motor.

With regards to the wiring, you will need a complete S54 wire loom, DME, EWS, electronic FPR, drive by wire gas pedal and ignition key at minimum to get ths working. Don't forget, the S54 even came with an oil cooler and I doubt a stand alone engine will include it as well. You'll encounter a lot of these little unforseen expences.

T.

Furious
03-13-2006, 09:33 AM
hmmm maybe I should buy this?

hesitant though, I don't know who the motor is from, and why the owner wouldn't put it in and sell it instead.



even im not clear as to why he didnt put it in, i know he wanted to find a wiring harness and couldnt (first delay) but after that i really cant say. all i know is the guy is a little lazy on selling it, and autotrend does not want it sitting there any longer than it has, like i said Mark give Don a call , he will be able to answer some questions for you, or get you in contact with the owner of the engine.

rendered
03-13-2006, 12:11 PM
Well first thing you have to understand is that early S54 motors had connecting rod bearing failures. If its a 2001-2003 motor than you have to take that into consideration and know the milage and service history of the motor.

With regards to the wiring, you will need a complete S54 wire loom, DME, EWS, electronic FPR, drive by wire gas pedal and ignition key at minimum to get ths working. Don't forget, the S54 even came with an oil cooler and I doubt a stand alone engine will include it as well. You'll encounter a lot of these little unforseen expences.

T.


I have an 04 ZHP... mine came standard with Drive by wire throttle, and maybe some other things you listed... who knows till I try it.

I will consider this definatly... but it sounds like more of a pain then enjoyment.... I could always just upgrade my current motor with bolt on's... or even get it stroked/ ported and polished, and upgrade the internals?

cisco911
03-13-2006, 12:20 PM
I have an 04 ZHP... mine came standard with Drive by wire throttle, and maybe some other things you listed... who knows till I try it.

I will consider this definatly... but it sounds like more of a pain then enjoyment.... I could always just upgrade my current motor with bolt on's... or even get it stroked/ ported and polished, and upgrade the internals?


With a ZHP, you might as well just S/C it and save yourself the conversion time and hassle. Will easily pump out 300 at the wheels with a S/C and if you ever want to sell the car, just remove it and no one is the wiser. try selling a ZHP with an M3 conversion and your going to be in trouble, especially if you try and trade it in because a dealer will give you nothing for a BMW that has that kind of conversion!!!!
However, if you have an E36.... that would be one hell of a sweet conversion. Keep the thing reasonably quiet and can you say Sleep *uzi*
With this conversion, I would go with stand-alone cuz they say its hards to wire this setup into an E36. and that way you don't have to worry about the security stuff like have the coded keys, etc, especially since all you have is the mechanical...no wiring.

JazzM
03-13-2006, 12:38 PM
the problem with stand alone management systems is dual vanos. They simply disable it and tune it for the top end. Its good for a dedicated racecar which is intended to stay above 5000 rpm all day long but not good for a daily driver.

That is why if you do decide on this type of conversion why you need to got the stock ECU route.

T.

sthomas
03-13-2006, 12:54 PM
What about just the tranny? Will it bolt up to an e36 i6 engine? What about leaver/linkage location? Driveshaft? A 6-speed would be a nice upgrade...

cisco911
03-13-2006, 03:42 PM
the problem with stand alone management systems is dual vanos. They simply disable it and tune it for the top end. Its good for a dedicated racecar which is intended to stay above 5000 rpm all day long but not good for a daily driver.

That is why if you do decide on this type of conversion why you need to got the stock ECU route.

T.


LOL... so make it a dedicated racer!!!!..go big or go home!!!! J/K. i see what your saying but this engine doesn't have wiring or all the extra stuff, so it would be really hard to get it running with stock ECU. First of all, no keys or ignition means the car won't start because of the security system. I don't know if this can be bypassed, but I don't think it can. Also, where are you going to find a harness and accessories like teh fly by wire accelorator actuator. That is what makes this a hard conversion....way too many headaches IMO

JazzM
03-13-2006, 03:49 PM
What about just the tranny? Will it bolt up to an e36 i6 engine? What about leaver/linkage location? Driveshaft? A 6-speed would be a nice upgrade...

Yes, it'll bolt right up to the ZF 5sp. This is what it came with in the 2001 and 2002 M roadster/coupe cars.

T.

propr'one
03-13-2006, 05:22 PM
Tom, didn't sthomas's 93 come with a getrag, and not a ZF?

rendered
03-13-2006, 05:32 PM
i would love to have 300 RWHP Naturally Aspirated

///MsAniTy
03-13-2006, 07:07 PM
Yeah you would love it until you got bored of that in about a years time

rendered
03-13-2006, 07:08 PM
why would you say that?

///MsAniTy
03-13-2006, 07:09 PM
Because I assume you are a car enthusiast and being one you will always want more

Soldo
03-13-2006, 07:32 PM
Tom, didn't sthomas's 93 come with a getrag, and not a ZF?


Thats the point...... the getrag's and zf's are interchangable, and if the 6spd is a ZF and bolts up to the early M coupes, it'd swap right in to a E36
:idea:

JazzM
03-13-2006, 10:26 PM
btw, the 6sp is a gertrag, not a zf. zf is a 5sp.

T.

propr'one
03-13-2006, 10:30 PM
*no-no* soldo.

Tom buy this. You can put it in the mz3. err, in the trunk. Hook it up to its own turbo or something and use that boost to generate more boost in the first e46 engine. BOOST.

i dont know you'll think of something:D

e30_kid89
03-13-2006, 10:32 PM
Because I assume you are a car enthusiast and being one you will always want more
lool soo true...

Furious
03-15-2006, 02:48 PM
engine moved out of the garage, but Don said he will still take emails and direct you to the owner of the engine, im certain you can get this cheap.. dont forget its the whole shabang(engine, clutch, tranny, driveshaft, diff, rear axle).. i think he might even have the harness now but you would have to get in touch with him.

rendered
03-15-2006, 06:02 PM
It sounds like a great deal!

you think if I buy a E46 323ci shell or sedan(or maybe a 325ci/or sedan), would the motor and go in easily?

the turtle2
03-18-2006, 12:44 AM
What year is this motor?

Furious
03-18-2006, 01:40 AM
call for details.

SickFinga
03-18-2006, 02:14 PM
blah, S54 swaps are for suckers(sorry Tom, j/k), go with M73. Just 4lbs more than S54 and has 100lb/ft more torque. And it cooler to have 354ci than 332ci anyway.

BMWF1
03-18-2006, 02:22 PM
^^ vlads right any engine swap is for suckers....with teh money your paying for this engine, the time, the addition parts, etc etc....you might as well sell your car and buy the ///M .... the only time I can understand a engine change is if you have a show car/Race car and blow the engine but you put so much work into the car its a shame to dump it....that should be the only time a engine swap should be considered.... IN MY OPINION

SickFinga
03-18-2006, 02:58 PM
^^ vlads right any engine swap is for suckers....with teh money your paying for this engine, the time, the addition parts, etc etc....you might as well sell your car and buy the ///M .... the only time I can understand a engine change is if you have a show car/Race car and blow the engine but you put so much work into the car its a shame to dump it....that should be the only time a engine swap should be considered.... IN MY OPINION

Well, thats no exactly what I said in my post above, but I agree with you. To be quite honest, I dont understood why Tom even bothered with S54 swap. With the money he spent, Im sure he could've gotten the real deal, and prolly even saved some money.

I can see why people would do unique swaps though.

JazzM
03-18-2006, 03:05 PM
Well, thats no exactly what I said in my post above, but I agree with you. To be quite honest, I dont understood why Tom even bothered with S54 swap. With the money he spent, Im sure he could've gotten the real deal, and prolly even saved some money.

I can see why people would do unique swaps though.

Well my issue was that the motor that was in my car needed a rebuild anyways. Therefore, I wayed out the different possibilities and went with the one I believed made the most sense.

T.

BMWF1
03-22-2006, 10:11 PM
Well, thats no exactly what I said in my post above, but I agree with you. To be quite honest, I dont understood why Tom even bothered with S54 swap. With the money he spent, Im sure he could've gotten the real deal, and prolly even saved some money.

I can see why people would do unique swaps though.

see me and vlad agree on things....and people think we hate eachother ;)

Furious
03-22-2006, 10:24 PM
see me and vlad agree on things....and people think we hate eachother ;)

you do, and i hate you both too :P