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AMG_POWER
11-07-2005, 04:54 PM
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M5-Timeslip-7067.html


1/4 Mile ET: 12.745
1/4 Mile MPH: 113.760


well...not bad... but stock E55s got as low as 12.07 116+ mph...

rodo
11-07-2005, 05:11 PM
you said e55 go AS low, key word there is AS low, this is the first real world M5 time I've seen, I don't know about you guys, but this is the first I hear about the e60 m5's real world time. So it would be very unfair to compare that single time to the lowest e55 time you've seen

AMG_POWER
11-07-2005, 05:12 PM
yea... but usual time for E55 is 12.3/4 with 115/116 mph...

few stock here...

http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php?carmodel=483&op1=%3E&data1=&search2=et&op2=%3C&data2=&days=10000000&carmake=30&name=Search+DragTimes

SickFinga
11-07-2005, 05:18 PM
blah blah blah, blah blah blah

M5 OWNS E55

some guy somewhere raced 1/4mile, while m5board raced e55 with m5 side by side, and we all saw the results.

Zim Zimma
11-07-2005, 05:25 PM
Seriously those videos say all....Someone should tell this guy not to hit the drag strip off the lot....theres usually a break in period..haha

Rolled_Out
11-07-2005, 05:33 PM
Now try taking it to a circuit track. The benz would ROLL taking a corner at 80 km/h LOL

Gamite
11-07-2005, 05:38 PM
E55's got nothing on M5 in terms of performance.

Mystikal
11-07-2005, 05:42 PM
...and an '03 Cobra SVT with $1k in mods would take them both.

Stop drag racing luxury sedans!

Rolled_Out
11-07-2005, 05:43 PM
Heres some M5 fun, nothing to do w/ this thread..
http://media.putfile.com/360-F1--M5

SickFinga
11-07-2005, 05:44 PM
...and an '03 Cobra SVT with $1k in mods would take them both.

Stop drag racing luxury sedans!

thats what they are made for

Mystikal
11-07-2005, 06:00 PM
Word? I'm getting 20's and TV's for my car then.

rodo
11-07-2005, 06:00 PM
e55 is for old people :P

SickFinga
11-07-2005, 06:09 PM
Word? I'm getting 20's and TV's for my car then.

tell me another reason why E55, M5, RS6 all got 500hp and quicker than Porsches, Ferraris??

Of course they are not designed to be at the drag strip on daily basis, but they are made this quick, so they can outran each other on the autobahn.
That what sells these days, not how safe you are, not how good your car handles.

AMG_POWER
11-07-2005, 07:05 PM
E55 owns M5 on the street. those cars was not made for Track. And I WILL OWN any moded M5 soon ;) 0-200kmh in 11.7 seconds beat that BMW m5.


End of story.

rodo
11-07-2005, 07:17 PM
i doubdt ur ml could outrun any m5 even if it had 200km/h winds pushing it :P so what are you getting?

SickFinga
11-07-2005, 07:22 PM
E55 owns M5 on the street. those cars was not made for Track. And I WILL OWN any moded M5 soon ;) 0-200kmh in 11.7 seconds beat that BMW m5.


End of story.


How does E55 own M5 on the street??


0-200 in 11.7seconds?
what car is that?

AMG_POWER
11-07-2005, 07:27 PM
How does E55 own M5 on the street??


0-200 in 11.7seconds?
what car is that?


e55 KLeemann stage 2!

With all that torque, thats how.

KaschmirBeige3
11-07-2005, 08:06 PM
e55 KLeemann stage 2!

With all that torque, thats how.

Ok...you're talking about a worked E55 as opposed to a stock M5.

rodo
11-07-2005, 08:06 PM
precisely...

M3ti Compact
11-07-2005, 08:07 PM
The E55 is for posers. The M5 is for players.

1BADBMW
11-07-2005, 08:12 PM
wow, M5 is SEX on wheels!!!! .. nice vid

Darkness95m3
11-07-2005, 10:42 PM
E55 owns M5 on the street. those cars was not made for Track. And I WILL OWN any moded M5 soon ;) 0-200kmh in 11.7 seconds beat that BMW m5.


End of story.

Hey that's my M3 times, however it's not stock. *wiggle*

SickFinga
11-07-2005, 10:43 PM
Hey that's my M3 times, however it's not stock. *wiggle*

yeah, keep sniffing that glue

golden
11-07-2005, 11:12 PM
well... id rather have a v10 that actually had some research put into it than a cheater supercharged v8!

btw, m5 kills on the track and in spirited driving around town :)

AMG_POWER
11-07-2005, 11:37 PM
well... id rather have a v10 that actually had some research put into it than a cheater supercharged v8!

btw, m5 kills on the track and in spirited driving around town :)

Id rather have AUTO and 516 ft of trq from 2000 rpms ( if you ever have a chance to expirience it do it, or ask SIckfinger what is it like) and most of MY driving i do around city, and E55 will be better for spirited driving from trafic light and around the city.... Belive me I KNOW.

rodo
11-07-2005, 11:44 PM
id rather have a V10, like golden said, then supercharge eat, its only fair since the e55 is already supercharged and then the the plate "by e55" :P

shimajer
11-08-2005, 12:36 AM
lmao. this thread is so biased.

Marky_mark
11-08-2005, 01:37 AM
I think your nuts the E55 amg is a nice car i did have the chance to drive one last year but its a car i would not want to own I like the e39 bmw m5 way better than the e55 its more fun to drive. The e55 is something your grampa would want to drive and as far as the new E60 BMW M5 its years ahead of the benz in every way the benz may be faster in a stright line but thats where it all ends every artilce i have read in road and track car and driver motertrend says the bmw m5 is a better peformance car all around so i rest my case

FastM3
11-08-2005, 01:42 AM
well... id rather have a v10.......

Id rather have AUTO and........

id rather have a V10.......


I'd rather have

Gamite
11-08-2005, 02:32 AM
Word? I'm getting 20's and TV's for my car then.


This comming from a guy who tried to gun down a GT2 in his E30. :D

Gamite
11-08-2005, 02:33 AM
I'd rather have


hahahahahahaha..

SebSter
11-08-2005, 03:12 AM
The plain and simple truth is that if you actually care about quarter mile, you wouldnt buy either car.

Gamite
11-08-2005, 03:28 AM
well if u think about it, its pretty good for what u get. Most cars in the same range of 1/4 mile speed are about 200 grand. (And Im talking new cars here.)

for what? $150,000, u can run with cars with $200-300 grand pricetags. with 4 doors too.

Domesic cars are another story, Z06, Viper Gt40.. I dunno about their price, but I"m pretty sure its cheaper than an M5. But acceleration speed is very close (up to a certain extent) Plus u get the added luxury of the M5 or E55 (whichever u choose)

Darkness95m3
11-08-2005, 09:17 AM
yeah, keep sniffing that glue

Why? Because you car is slow.

vertakul
11-08-2005, 09:53 AM
Why? Because you car is slow.

his car is definitely NOT slow.

vertakul
11-08-2005, 09:54 AM
both cars are similar products from two different manufacturers.. you go with what you like.. im pretty sure the 2 tenths of a 1/4 mile isn't going to make you pick one or the other.. if you are shopping for either.. you'll probably only have the car for a couple years until you buy another 6 figure car you like.

SickFinga
11-08-2005, 10:10 AM
Why? Because you car is slow.


sure it's slow. at least im not imagening things

Soldo
11-08-2005, 11:41 AM
haha... this thread is funny. Vlad's right, these cars aren't made for super handling, its just who outruns who on the autobahn. I mean the new M5 looks good, but i can't picture this car on a circuit like the E34/39 M5.

Anyways, between the 2, i'd rather get the E55, because they're so similar in performance, i think the AMG looks MUCH BETTER than the banged up M5. Don't get me wrong its still a hot car, but who are we kidding!

Gamite, you got a good point too.... but between german and domestic vehicles, i think the german cars are still much more practical. The Vipers and Vettes all might be quicker, but you can keep up with them in an M5 or E55 and have your whole family in the car on your way back from the grocery store!

Darkness95m3
11-08-2005, 06:22 PM
his car is definitely NOT slow.

Neither was mine.
Best 1/4 mile times for my car in 2003 was 11.9 @119Mph

Darkness95m3
11-08-2005, 06:23 PM
sure it's slow. at least im not imagening things

I don't imagine, I just buy what I want.

SickFinga
11-08-2005, 06:28 PM
Neither was mine.
Best 1/4 mile times for my car in 2003 was 11.9 @119Mph


You forgot to mention that after that your engine blew and it really wasnt your car back then. And it could've been a sale pitch when you bought it.
Last time I remember, you were struggling getting 5psi out of your supercharger tot he engine.

Lets face it, you car doesnt have intercooler, aftercooler, W/I.
I dont think without any proper cooling, it would've hit 11.9
And even if it did.

ohhh, and you just confirmed my statement.

119mph in 11.9

thats 190km/h in 12seconds

If you think 10km/h at 190km/h is nothing, well, you are mistaken my friend.


P.S. How about a full list of mods on your car?

Darkness95m3
11-08-2005, 07:46 PM
You forgot to mention that after that your engine blew and it really wasnt your car back then.


Well, yes the head cracked in 3 places

The car was mine, However I never drove it.
My friend and I switched cars and he got a better time in my car.
Now that's a kick in the head.

And it could've been a sale pitch when you bought it.
Last time I remember, you were struggling getting 5psi out of your supercharger tot he engine.



I bought the car from Phoenix Arizona and I did not need any sales pitch.

Yes I have been struggling to get 5psi out of the car all of this and last year.

The supercharger is out of the car and being shipped for warranty.
The problem it seems, was the supercharger not my mods. Having said that I won't know until the unit comes back.


Lets face it, you car doesnt have intercooler, aftercooler, W/I.


Now you are calling me a lier.

Hold on for a sec.... got to go to the garage.
Yap there is a intercooler mounted in front of my car.
You had me going for a bit, I thought maybe I sent my intercooler back by mistake.

It has been painted black, so that it is not noticable from outside.

For mods I won't list anything until my car is running.
Let's just put it this way there is almost nothing left stock in the engine, exhaust and suspension. The car has $30,000 in mods to date.

SickFinga
11-08-2005, 08:20 PM
Now you are calling me a lier.

Hold on for a sec.... got to go to the garage.
Yap there is a intercooler mounted in front of my car.
You had me going for a bit, I thought maybe I sent my intercooler back by mistake.

It has been painted black, so that it is not noticable from outside.



ohhh yeah, you got AA kit, i though you had Vortech kit.
Nevermind, yes you do have intercooler, I mixed your kit with someone else.

Since I just realized that you got AA kit, it makes me doubt your statements even more.

Darkness95m3
11-08-2005, 08:31 PM
ohhh yeah, you got AA kit, i though you had Vortech kit.
Nevermind, yes you do have intercooler, I mixed your kit with someone else.

Since I just realized that you got AA kit, it makes me doubt your statements even more.

Egine..............325-350 Hp Cams, Head, exhaust, electronics I believe the
......................engine had $8000 US into it before I bought it.
Supercharger 125 -150 Hp 8.5 Psi
NOS 125 Hp (Not a good idea)

TheMadChigga
11-08-2005, 10:19 PM
Egine..............325-350 Hp Cams, Head, exhaust, electronics I believe the
......................engine had $8000 US into it before I bought it.
Supercharger 125 -150 Hp 8.5 Psi
NOS 125 Hp (Not a good idea)

race race race race, question, how you got 80-110hp over stock with just head work???

I've seen $6000 race head on some engines and I don't see that crazy amount of increase.

btw, I'd have the E55, cause I'm a lazy guy, and its a hassle to get road head with a stick.

Soldo
11-08-2005, 10:38 PM
E60 M5's are SMG!!!
No standard yet!

Darkness95m3
11-08-2005, 11:04 PM
race race race race, question, how you got 80-110hp over stock with just head work???

I've seen $6000 race head on some engines and I don't see that crazy amount of increase.

btw, I'd have the E55, cause I'm a lazy guy, and its a hassle to get road head with a stick.


Please read the post.

I never said I got 80-100 Over stock just by head work.

TheMadChigga
11-08-2005, 11:10 PM
you said 325-350hp, isn't stock N.A. spec M3 240hp??? or somehow a special Canadian imported euro-spec got into Arizona and then get back to Canada?

325-240= 85
350-240= 110.

Darkness95m3
11-08-2005, 11:49 PM
you said 325-350hp, isn't stock N.A. spec M3 240hp??? or somehow a special Canadian imported euro-spec got into Arizona and then get back to Canada?

325-240= 85
350-240= 110.

Either I'm not writing this properly or there must be a huge generation gap between me and some of the people on this forum.

The engine is not stock, it has had $8,000US in work done to it.
Not by me but by the previous owner.

Custom ground cams are now replaced with stock cams.
Also in the car was the Turner Motorsport Chip, which I still have.

The head in 2003 was not stock, however the 38mm valves made it pretty weak. The new replaced head has been tweaked, not as much as the 2003 head. Including a valve profile that increased air flow by 15% over stock, ported and polished. New high performance valve spring. The original valves were put back 37mm vs 38mm

Exhaust system has completely been replaced, headers, 2x2.75"stainless exhaust pipes from headers to the cats. 2 x2.75"high flow cats. AA generation III exhaust system.
I might be off on the piping size, however they are a lot bigger then stock.

It has a larger throttle body, what size I don't know, it came with the car.

The NOS Kit was installed by me. Big mistake.

Supercharger was added in 2003 by me. It came with 8.5 PSI of boost. I decided to run 11PSI, not a good idea. This is where all of my problems started.
Bigger fuel injectors,
Intercooler.

Suspension has 4 Koni fully adjustable shocks. This thing is so stiff that I had another MaxBimmer member who thought my car was on stands. He pushed down on the bumper and the car would not budge. All 4 coils replaced, what pound rate, I don't know. Eibech front and rear torsion bars. The bushings were also Eibech, however I went to factory bushings. The car was un-drivable in the rain, it kept stepping out.

Short shift kit. European headlights, not aftermarket the original ones.

The front and rear rotors were replaced with slotted ones, the calipers are stock.
Having said that, this car will plant your head into the front dash from 250Kmh and no sign of brake fade. Stainless steel brake lines on all 4 corners.

The list goes on and on.
The car should produce close to 400Hp in this configuration. I can not guarantee since it has not been on a dyno.

The previous owner spent $15,000US extra on mods. I have spent $10,000CDN since I purchased the vehicle, not including $4,000 on wheels that I had on my 318is.

TheMadChigga
11-09-2005, 12:07 AM
you ought to argue with the previous owner, I don't know how putting bigger valves could hurt a head that much, usually you get more heat by doing 5 degree valve job, have you flow test the head to see if matches the claim? cause I'd be pissed to buy a car that has $8000 in the engine (mostly head) and it cracks cause lack of quality work.

and suspension, I have custom valved Konis with 450/225 spring combos, and you oughta try heim joints for bushings, they do wonder to the car, I have heim joints at almost all bushings and it makes the car handles beautifully, only now if I can have money to get the engine fix.

you oughta get the engine sorted if you dumped so much money into it.

Darkness95m3
11-09-2005, 09:39 AM
you ought to argue with the previous owner, I don't know how putting bigger valves could hurt a head that much, usually you get more heat by doing 5 degree valve job, have you flow test the head to see if matches the claim? cause I'd be pissed to buy a car that has $8000 in the engine (mostly head) and it cracks cause lack of quality work.

and suspension, I have custom valved Konis with 450/225 spring combos, and you oughta try heim joints for bushings, they do wonder to the car, I have heim joints at almost all bushings and it makes the car handles beautifully, only now if I can have money to get the engine fix.

you oughta get the engine sorted if you dumped so much money into it.

The distance between the valve and spark plug was reduced by over 1/4mm making it weaker and more prone to cracks.

Broken fan belt made sure that the head failed.

The new head that I purchased was done by a local shop. They mostly do drag car engines and have been in business since 1960. They did a bench flow test on the stock head and the new head flowed 15% better.

I purchased the car in 2002 for $12,000 CDN I really did not care what state the engine was in. I was looking for a rust free vehicle. This car spent all its life in Arizona.

When I was in Arizona and took the car for a spin I could not believe how fast the car pulled and was amazed by the suspension and brakes. I was then explained what was done to the vehicle.

I know this guy would not be BS me. He is a BMW driving instructor in California, his job is to teach new BMW drivers how to drive their cars to the extreme.
He also races in the Speed Touring Car. In his garage we saw a 2002 320i race car. He was preparing it for the upcoming season. His reason for selling the vehicle was that his wife gave him a budget of $150,000US and he needed another $8500US to complete his car. This was the reason he sold it.

I never had any problem with the car until I installed the supercharger. The problem I have been having for the past 2 seasons has been the supercharger. Well thatís what I think.

SickFinga
11-09-2005, 01:24 PM
Either I'm not writing this properly or there must be a huge generation gap between me and some of the people on this forum.

The engine is not stock, it has had $8,000US in work done to it.
Not by me but by the previous owner.

Custom ground cams are now replaced with stock cams.
Also in the car was the Turner Motorsport Chip, which I still have.

The head in 2003 was not stock, however the 38mm valves made it pretty weak. The new replaced head has been tweaked, not as much as the 2003 head. Including a valve profile that increased air flow by 15% over stock, ported and polished. New high performance valve spring. The original valves were put back 37mm vs 38mm

Exhaust system has completely been replaced, headers, 2x2.75"stainless exhaust pipes from headers to the cats. 2 x2.75"high flow cats. AA generation III exhaust system.
I might be off on the piping size, however they are a lot bigger then stock.

It has a larger throttle body, what size I don't know, it came with the car.

The NOS Kit was installed by me. Big mistake.

Supercharger was added in 2003 by me. It came with 8.5 PSI of boost. I decided to run 11PSI, not a good idea. This is where all of my problems started.
Bigger fuel injectors,
Intercooler.

Suspension has 4 Koni fully adjustable shocks. This thing is so stiff that I had another MaxBimmer member who thought my car was on stands. He pushed down on the bumper and the car would not budge. All 4 coils replaced, what pound rate, I don't know. Eibech front and rear torsion bars. The bushings were also Eibech, however I went to factory bushings. The car was un-drivable in the rain, it kept stepping out.

Short shift kit. European headlights, not aftermarket the original ones.

The front and rear rotors were replaced with slotted ones, the calipers are stock.
Having said that, this car will plant your head into the front dash from 250Kmh and no sign of brake fade. Stainless steel brake lines on all 4 corners.

The list goes on and on.
The car should produce close to 400Hp in this configuration. I can not guarantee since it has not been on a dyno.

The previous owner spent $15,000US extra on mods. I have spent $10,000CDN since I purchased the vehicle, not including $4,000 on wheels that I had on my 318is.


ok my friend, you are confusing me more and more with your setups and hp

lets review your posts on max.

In the post i quoted you said you had 400hp


here
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=627646&postcount=7

You said 600hp

here
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=545488&postcount=23
450rwhp


here you got 50hp shot of NOS
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=546062&postcount=28

yet here you got 125hp shot
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=682858&postcount=44


here you are hoping for 350rwhp
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=548319&postcount=9


here you are hoping for 390rwhp
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=618860&postcount=26


so what is it??

You got any dyno charts? for 600hp at 11psi? for 300hp NA?

Furious
11-09-2005, 02:43 PM
hes been called out. photocopies of dyno slips please lol

Darkness95m3
11-09-2005, 04:34 PM
ok my friend, you are confusing me more and more with your setups and hp

lets review your posts on max.

In the post i quoted you said you had 400hp


here
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=627646&postcount=7

You said 600hp

here
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=545488&postcount=23
450rwhp


here you got 50hp shot of NOS
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=546062&postcount=28

yet here you got 125hp shot
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=682858&postcount=44


here you are hoping for 350rwhp
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=548319&postcount=9


here you are hoping for 390rwhp
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=618860&postcount=26


so what is it??

You got any dyno charts? for 600hp at 11psi? for 300hp NA?

Very simple.

2003 car was producing 600Hp with 125 Nos setting, however I only used the 50Hp jets. The NOS was capable of 50,75,100,125 Hp settings

I am confused more then anyone else.
I have spent the entire last year and all of this year replacing parts on the car to make it more reliable, in the process the car has lost Hp. I have added other parts to it and the car gains Horse Power. However becomes more unreliable.

There is one person on this site that might agree with me since he has been most of the summer trying to help me out.

At times this car pulls hard all the way to redline, most of times it pulls hard to 4,000Rpm after that it falls flat.
Other times a stock 325Is can keep up with me at higher RPM's.
All this within a week and without touching anything on the car.
I could see if I changed a part and the car gained or lost power.
This thing would loose 100 to 150Hp (just a guess) in 1/2 day.

Like I posted before, I did not wish to list my mods for this exact reason.
The car has had more parts replaced in the last 2 years then all of my other vehicles put together.

I my self don't know what is going on any more.
The car has been at the dealership a few times and both times BMW told me there is nothing wrong.

Having said that, the cars problems all along could have been the supercharger. However I will not know until it comes back.
I decided to park the car in August, for a simple reason, I have gotten sick and tired of replacing parts. I believe I have enough parts in my garage to build another M3 motor. Hmm J/K

Before I decided to mod the car it never had any problems.

All I know in 2003 when I nailed on the gas people actually got sick from how hard it pulled. What else can I say. I just want a reliable car, a little bit more power would be nice.

RevShoT
11-09-2005, 04:36 PM
seems kinda weak no? i mean a 500+ HP car doing high 12's

the MPH is there infact thats an 11 second MPH but just seems not too impressive i mean u can put an neon SRT into 12's with a a couple simple mods

Darkness95m3
11-09-2005, 04:54 PM
seems kinda weak no? i mean a 500+ HP car doing high 12's

the MPH is there infact thats an 11 second MPH but just seems not too impressive i mean u can put an neon SRT into 12's with a a couple simple mods

RevShot the car is capable of a lot more. The times were done on street tires, I'm sure if I used slicks I would be in the mid 11's
On 1 pass the car pulls hard, next pass it feels slow, third pass I see a"Yugo" fly by me, fourth pass everything is a blur.

I have spent the entire summer with Andre trying to figure this car out.
Not to mention all of the calls to Miami trying to resolve this issue.

After two years and the same problems we finally figured out that the supercharger was gone. I hope.

From what I was told is that this type of supercharger with clutches inside.
It needs friction oil to function properly. The boost the car was getting on average is around 3 to 4psi other times I would hit 6Psi on cold days or first thing in the morning.

BMWF1
11-09-2005, 05:14 PM
I think i'd take a E55 cause it looks nicer, But give me either one and i'm happy. Most people that own these cars are old and don't go over 100 anyway

RevShoT
11-09-2005, 06:37 PM
RevShot the car is capable of a lot more. The times were done on street tires, I'm sure if I used slicks I would be in the mid 11's
On 1 pass the car pulls hard, next pass it feels slow, third pass I see a"Yugo" fly by me, fourth pass everything is a blur.

I have spent the entire summer with Andre trying to figure this car out.
Not to mention all of the calls to Miami trying to resolve this issue.

After two years and the same problems we finally figured out that the supercharger was gone. I hope.

From what I was told is that this type of supercharger with clutches inside.
It needs friction oil to function properly. The boost the car was getting on average is around 3 to 4psi other times I would hit 6Psi on cold days or first thing in the morning.
i was talking about the new M5's times :D

Darkness95m3
11-09-2005, 07:12 PM
i was talking about the new M5's times :D

Damn! *sleep*

Mclarenbenz
11-10-2005, 03:09 AM
Both are nice, the E55 has no character though. The M5 is a monumental car, where the E55 is just another AMG powered supercharged V8,

and this coming from a Mercedes Fan. Although after one summer with the 540, im having second thoughts.

03 Dinan 3
11-10-2005, 11:18 PM
put em both on a track


then tell me who wins :cool: bitchesssss