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Rutger
09-18-2002, 03:59 AM
AMATEUR MODE ON:

http://www.gummen.org/images/album/rutger_oval_divx5.avi
http://www.gummen.org/images/album/jvk_gummenorg9juni_bmwm3.avi
http://www.gummen.org/images/album/rutger_drift_divx5.avi

This was done during a Trackday me and friends organized at a little circuit in Holland.

330DTM
09-18-2002, 09:07 AM
Oh I saw those videos back in the Summer or even just before it!

They really beat the crap out of their M3s drifting like that. hehe
It looks cool, but I wonder how much speed their scrubbing off?

GladdoM3
09-18-2002, 10:51 AM
Nice style......I am assuming that you are the driver in the video. If so , you have some skillz. Very nice !
What gear were you in for the best looking powerslides ? 2nd or 3rd ? Both have serious pull :D
How do you like the 19' rims ?

Rutger
09-19-2002, 10:44 AM
I take the oval in second gear. Third gear is too fast for the oval.

When i approach the corner I get of the gas for a moment, steer a little (too sharp) and then floor the pedal again. This creates an easy to control oversteer situation.

The exit speed out of the corner is +/- rev limiter in second so about 100km an hour.

Drifting in third gear is also possible but can only be done on large roundabouts (100 meters in diameter or more). I have such a roundabout in my area but haven't got any videos of that (yet) :-)

The tire wear is quite reasonable. But after two rounds you've got to let the tires cool down! I can make 20 sessions of 2 laps on fairly used tyres but I can't make 5 laps in a row on new tires. As soon as the tires are hot they're burnt within moments!

Jon@Bimmersport
09-20-2002, 08:42 PM
rutger..thats some AWESOME driving..the drifts were awesome! how do u get all the smoke to come out during drifts? it only happenned a few times..and btw, do all SMG come with 19"? plus they look different than the 6spd models..the SMG looks more bubbly while the 6spd looks more longer...is it jus me or does any1 else notice?

GladdoM3
09-21-2002, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by E46_lover
and btw, do all SMG come with 19"? plus they look different than the 6spd models..the SMG looks more bubbly while the 6spd looks more longer...is it jus me or does any1 else notice?


:huh?: :huh?: :huh?: WHAT ?:huh?:

Jon@Bimmersport
09-21-2002, 02:14 PM
gladdo i mean the smg's look like they have a shorter wheel base....dont u think?

Rutger
09-23-2002, 02:30 AM
E46_LOVER, I drive stick ...


The models are exactly the same, so it's only you thinking that :-)


Thanx for the compliments about me drifting!


I'll post some more when I've got the material. The smoke from the tires comes from flooring the pedal :-)

With a 330ci sports (without LSD) you can REALLY smoke the tires when drifting! But then again, it's only 1 wheel that's being smoked!

http://www.gummen.org/images/album/jvk_gummenorg9juni_bmw330ci.avi

This is a friend of mine, drifting with his 330ci sport.

SickFinga
09-23-2002, 10:35 AM
is it possible to drift in e36 m3??
I don't think it has enough power though

Jon@Bimmersport
09-23-2002, 04:15 PM
yea it is...wudnt u jus have to play around with the cluth, and gas? like turn, swerve it in a direction, rev to redline and feather/dump the clutch? thats the wat i do it in GT3 with my 328ci

or u cud jus use the e-brake

Rutger
09-24-2002, 03:41 AM
Both the E46 and E36 have lots of torque. I did the same thing on the same oval with my E36 M3 when it was standard and then again when it was chipped.

Don't do clutchdumps with your car. This can cause serious drivetrain damage after a while.

Me and friends always go drifting in the weekend when it's wet. On a wet surface it's best to practice. Drifting on dry surface is much more difficult and you'll get real hard tankslappers if you're late with correcting the car from the drift.

The following works well for me when drifting on wet (and dry):


* Seek for a good long corner where traffic can be overseen and make sure there are no curbs!
* Steer into the corner, steer a little sharper then the corner actually is.
* Now there are two ways to 'set' the car and be able to drift:
1. apply more gas
2. lift off the gas and then reapply some more (this will cause unbalance in the car and it starts to slide)
* Correct the car by steering back and hold the gas, you'll notice that the car will follow the corner while your frontwheels are pointing out of the corner now!
* The last part is the most tricky part, you're now drifting but you want the car stabilized again. You now need to steer just like following the corner again but do it easy! To fast or rigorous corrections will make the car uncontrollable and you'll end up making a 180. (hold the gas while correcting the car again). You van also get your foot off the gas, the car will settle then as well but it won't be as smooth as when holding the gas!

Happy practicing :-)

DO NEVER DUMP THE CLUTCH, THIS DAMAGES YOUR CAR!

The above only works for bimmers with LSD (Limited Slip Differential).

SickFinga
09-24-2002, 01:50 PM
Rutger our M3s are only 240hp and 236 pounds of torque.
In what gear you were in e36???


Anyone know a place in toronto where we can practice? Anyone wanna try it??

Jon@Bimmersport
09-24-2002, 03:17 PM
sickfinga i'd like to come and watch! maybe pics and vid too.....how bout this place i heard of, u can test out ur car on long straights and awesome turns, the pavement is really flat and great for racing! plus no cops will hassle u...i beleive its called a race track! keep it there...some1 will probably get hurt man. plus..roads arent wide enuf to TRY stuff like this for the first time. i'd come but i wudnt suggest it.

SickFinga
09-24-2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by E46_lover
sickfinga i'd like to come and watch! maybe pics and vid too.....how bout this place i heard of, u can test out ur car on long straights and awesome turns, the pavement is really flat and great for racing! plus no cops will hassle u...i beleive its called a race track! keep it there...some1 will probably get hurt man. plus..roads arent wide enuf to TRY stuff like this for the first time. i'd come but i wudnt suggest it.


E46 I'm not talking about doing it on the yonge street:)

I'm talking about a big parking lot during the night

Jon@Bimmersport
09-24-2002, 04:02 PM
thats even worse? how the hell wud u know where ur sliding? cuz u wud have to do it in a lot with no parking lamps...so wheres the light gonna come from? im not gonna sit in shotgun and hold a flashlight to make sure ur going in the right place lol! know wat i mean?

GladdoM3
09-24-2002, 10:19 PM
Hey sickfinga.....PM me and i will go with you and show you a kick ass place to practise.
Peace
Jordan

Rutger
09-25-2002, 02:36 AM
If you keep the speed low there shouldn't be a problem when practicing on the road.

Just take the turns in second gear!

30 mph max, the car is easily controlled at this speed and if you make a mistake you can stop the car in no time.

The E36 M3 in Holland is 286bhp. So we've got 46 more but E30 M3's (200 bhp) work fine as well.

Just make sure it's wet on the street. No problemo's then!

http://www.gummen.org/images/album/meet2110_mov1.mpg
http://www.gummen.org/images/album/meet2110_mov3.mpg
http://www.gummen.org/images/album/meet2110_mov5.mpg

Jon@Bimmersport
09-25-2002, 07:18 AM
gladdom3 and sickfinga...PM me i wanna get a video of this...thats if u pick a day like friday or sat nite or sunday nite

Manimillion
09-30-2002, 11:12 AM
The e36 m3's in Europe usually come with 321hp, some older models of the m3 had less power I donno the hp of them by heart, the engines are diffrent then the Us Spec m3's because the us spec m3's doesn't have the dual vanos engine on the e36's, but the euro spec m3's come with the dual vanos 321hp engine. The e36 m3's are still pretty quick cars.... I belive that in 94/95 50 Eurospec m3's were imported into us/canada by bmw of north america.....

SickFinga
09-30-2002, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by DevilOnWheelz
The e36 m3's in Europe usually come with 321hp, some older models of the m3 had less power I donno the hp of them by heart, the engines are diffrent then the Us Spec m3's because the us spec m3's doesn't have the dual vanos engine on the e36's, but the euro spec m3's come with the dual vanos 321hp engine. The e36 m3's are still pretty quick cars.... I belive that in 94/95 50 Eurospec m3's were imported into us/canada by bmw of north america.....


EURO M3 - 286hp
EURO M3 EVO - 321hp

In 94 BMW Canada imported 42 EURO M3(286hp one) only to Canada. US never got them,

Manimillion
09-30-2002, 03:04 PM
yeah but after a certain year there wusn't a model with 281hp anymore they all went upto 321hp i think thats the one you calling m3 evo.... i think it wuz after 95 that all the m3's were more powerfull

SickFinga
09-30-2002, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by DevilOnWheelz
yeah but after a certain year there wusn't a model with 281hp anymore they all went upto 321hp i think thats the one you calling m3 evo.... i think it wuz after 95 that all the m3's were more powerfull


yes after 95, 3.0l OBD2 became 3.2l OBD2

Jon@Bimmersport
09-30-2002, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga



yes after 95, 3.0l OBD2 became 3.2l OBD2

isnt it 3.0L OBDI then 3.2L OBDII

SickFinga
09-30-2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by E46_lover


isnt it 3.0L OBDI then 3.2L OBDII

Yeah, hit the wrong button :D

Rutger
10-01-2002, 05:35 AM
The gearboxes have also changed. The 3.0 euro is a five speed manual, the 3.2 has a six speed manual or SMGI.

SMGI completely sucked. You could fall asleep between gearchanges. SMGII is much better!

gnetcanada
10-20-2002, 04:46 PM
drift with an m3? i can drift with my 318tia and my 325is!

Jon@Bimmersport
10-20-2002, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by gnetcanada
drift with an m3? i can drift with my 318tia and my 325is!

i can drift with my bike! i bet BMW BMXER can pull it off

SickFinga
10-20-2002, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by gnetcanada
drift with an m3? i can drift with my 318tia and my 325is!


yeah?? I wanna see that