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subydude
01-01-2005, 09:24 PM
Hey guys... 1st of all I am not here to come across as a Poser and calling people out. I love the M3 jsut love it! I have a 2004 Sti with a turbo back exhaust and a downpipe and 18 psi of boost. I hear that these minor mods can hang with a M3 from a roll I am talking about of course. My buddy has a 2003 e46 M3 convertible with Smg and i take him all the time.. and even worse off the line.. ( from a stop I know it wouldn't be fair) plus I killed a stock M3 coupe when I was stock at a light..He keeps telling me that I need to race a COUPE becuase the convertible is much much slower. I just want to see how I stack up from a roll.. lets say 80 kmh -200 mayve even more ?? I rather be safe tho and chill at 200.. anyways let me know I would preffer a coupe smg or 6 speed I don't care and stock . 333 hp Vs Sti with a exhaust..
Thanks and Happy new years
P.M me

subydude
01-01-2005, 09:25 PM
I am soory I forgot to mention I am in Toronto.. anywere in GTA is cool.

TiemenT
01-02-2005, 01:16 PM
i'll whould take you if i was there..

subydude
01-02-2005, 03:15 PM
Tough guy.. Easy to say that when u are in Netherlands.. *wave*

TiemenT
01-02-2005, 06:28 PM
haha.. i mean it..

pbjaxson
01-02-2005, 08:36 PM
one word..CSL

crap..not a werd

subydude
01-02-2005, 08:53 PM
Bitch :d

KaschmirBeige3
01-02-2005, 09:57 PM
Bitch :d

Oh no he didn't :P

subydude
01-02-2005, 10:20 PM
I DID... *wiggle*

Understated
01-02-2005, 10:28 PM
wow come on guys, the CSL isn't THAAAAAAT much of a different car in a straight line than the e46 m3. Now if subydude wants to meet tiemenT @ teh track, prepare to be own3d mr. STI :D

subydude
01-02-2005, 10:30 PM
he would own me on the tarck either bros..especially if I drop 1500 $ on my suspension..

Understated
01-02-2005, 10:31 PM
...IF....and yes he still will :P

subydude
01-02-2005, 10:38 PM
Sorry.. awd just pushed through the corners.. :cool:

328power
01-03-2005, 10:51 AM
subydude...you know it wouldnt be close :)

TiemenT
01-04-2005, 07:49 AM
he would own me on the tarck either bros..especially if I drop 1500 $ on my suspension..

hmm.. what if i spend some money on the CSL..

:idea: ..... ESS supercharger.... chiptuning..

Frank de Jonge
01-04-2005, 12:46 PM
STI will never win.

Even iyt has 4wd, it sucks on a dry road with 4wd you're slower then rwd.

Keep that in mind.

STI loses big time

subydude
01-04-2005, 03:36 PM
Yeah 4wd sux in teh dry.. :D
A sti with exhaust and downpipe alone would kill a m3 I have seen it 1st hand and I will gladly post videos of it being done..
You Europeans are weird

TiemenT
01-04-2005, 05:53 PM
CSL:
rwd, 360hp, 370nm torque and 1285kg..

vs.

Impreza:
awd, 265hp, 343nm torque and 1425kg..

good luck

mclaren55
01-04-2005, 06:08 PM
he would own me on the tarck either bros..especially if I drop 1500 $ on my suspension..

Ok, I have a challenge for you then. Come out to a track day with me and I will take my slow M3 and we will see who wins around a circuit. Since you are so confident that 1500 in suspension mods will make you a king.

TiemenT
01-04-2005, 06:38 PM
the guy probably was used to an e30 318i.. and now rides a pretty fast car..

now he thinks he can win against all the car..

wake up kid

Understated
01-04-2005, 07:16 PM
Sorry.. awd just pushed through the corners.. :cool:

HAHAHAHAHA...okk seriously man stop being childish....i don't care if u have AWD and a stage 1200 turbo :D ur not gonna merc an M3 on the track :D in fact i bet u'll be flying all over the grass on the first turn :D

racing isn't all about 0-60 bro :P

KaschmirBeige3
01-04-2005, 08:06 PM
racing isn't all about 0-60 bro :P

He lives his life a 1/4 mile at a time!

subydude
01-04-2005, 10:42 PM
265 hp dunmer than I thought. TRY 350 at least for now.. Mcleran anytime . I'll spank u and your M3 anytime any track.. cayuga , mosport you tell me when and were.. we will bet for money too.. You want to be a smart ass. We will see. B4 you talk smack.. investigate what a STI would do to a M3 besides 0-60 mph time and 1/4 mile..mclaren55 Your a PUNK that post kill stories against a wrx on highway 7..lol wrx 's are weak! To bad you don't have that Talon anymore..my rx-7 would eat that too. I noticed you are confident that the STI would ONLY beta a m3 from a roll by 1 car..
Pm me.. I wnat to meet you.

One more thaing mcleran.. I am close to Markham Pm me when u want to have a "freindly" meet
*thmbsdwn*

mclaren55
01-04-2005, 10:49 PM
265 hp dunmer than I thought. TRY 350 at least for now.. Mcleran anytime . I'll spank u and your M3 anytime any track.. cayuga , mosport you tell me when and were.. we will bet for money too.. You want to be a smart ass. We will see. B4 you talk smack.. investigate what a STI would do to a M3 besides 0-60 mph time and 1/4 mile..
*thmbsdwn*

I know what it pulls, I have driven them. I am not being a smartass, I actually have been around for a while and owned cars that would molest an STI. I just find it funny how you think you are the king of the world because you can beat an M3. I will have a few free weekends this summer, so I will let you know which track. I am thinking along the lines of Dunnville. Is that cool with you? As for being a smartass, I don't think I am. I just think you came on here to start shit, because you beat a M3 before. You still haven't told me how you are going to achieve 500whp.

*Edit due to your edit*
What RX7 do you have? Year, engine, turbo, etc? I mean, I did pretty well with the Talon. I beat a GT42R+ET Street 13b with it. I am at WB n 16th quite often actually, however I have the M3 in storage. You think I'm a punk, how so? I am very interested to know.

P.S. Which WRX story was it? I beat an STI on 404 with the M3, and a WRX on Dixie with the 540i, and one on the 404.

tlaselva
01-04-2005, 11:16 PM
Subydude, go run your car at a track, and post your times.
Street racing's for boys.

Cuz you beat this car or that on the street, means squat.

Numbers don't lie.

And if you have 350 HP, then I'll gladly meet you at Cayuga in the spring.

subydude
01-04-2005, 11:22 PM
Okay buddy. By spring it will have hemm hemm abit more. See ya there

///MsAniTy
01-04-2005, 11:22 PM
one thing that really means somthing to me is the feeling behind the wheel of a car and i doubt any subi can compare with a BMW

mclaren55
01-04-2005, 11:23 PM
Okay buddy. By spring it will have hemm hemm abit more. See ya there

Alright, sounds like a plan.

shimajer
01-05-2005, 09:16 AM
i just dont get how come guys wit civics (superchargers) or any other jap cars are talkin shit to bmws.. if we throw in a supercharger and all the performance shit, we can own them easily.. give me a break, why are u comparing a sti to a CSL. i mean, u threw in a supercharger, so you can probably beat a m3, but CSL , you friggin retarded..

Godspeed
01-05-2005, 09:36 AM
Did you just say he threw a supercharger on his STi? :huh?:

shimajer
01-05-2005, 01:26 PM
idint, i m just sayin some ppl who drive jap cars..

like for example the race between the rsx and the m3... rsx beat it but it had a supercharger ...

this STI only had an exhaust..

STALKER
01-05-2005, 05:42 PM
Okay buddy. By spring it will have hemm hemm abit more. See ya there

Im kinda curious, you don't drive a bimmer, so why are lurking here and talking smack?
IMO, you will be on the losing end if you race a M3 on a track and not in a straight line. Lets not forget that the drivers is ultimately the most important tool on a track also.

328power
01-05-2005, 06:05 PM
Ive seen many STI running low 12's on the track with the basic mods..... I would still take a M3 anyday over an STI


Stock STI vs STOCK m3 really comes down to driver...both in the 13.1-13.4 range 1/4 .....

I have a WRX and love it....For the money you cant beat the performance... Runs 1/4 in 14.1-14.4 range stock with a BLISTERING 5.4-5.7 0-100km... Couple basic mods and bring it into the Mid 13's

I wanted an M3 for the start but $$$ makes it unlikely for a couple years.... I want a house before i go out and spend $60 gs on a used M3

TiemenT
01-06-2005, 02:36 PM
racing is not racing a 1/4mile.. but around a track..

Godspeed
01-06-2005, 02:38 PM
Unless it's a 1/4 mile. :huh?:

Bigbore
01-07-2005, 07:58 PM
lol, when you guys hook up i wanna be there too! :D

well, we all know how subarus are, first good clutch dump and the tranny is sitting in your lap hehehe.

Frank de Jonge
01-08-2005, 03:55 AM
I drove against an STI this week (older type STI) with my little modified 328i (210bhp)

I have to say at a 100km/h he was a bit faster. car lenght ahead but when speeds reached up to 150km/h he had to give in alot because I was sticking on his bumper again.

I said to him "why don't we go to the German Autobahn and have a testrun over there??"

He did'n't want to *uzi* the wuzzz.

He claimed he had 280bhp tuned and everythnig.

STI's Suck ---------> BMW RULEZZZZZ

WhadUpp
01-08-2005, 04:16 AM
yeah right buddy 328 and you were sticking on his bumper who wants to call BS on this one.

Frank de Jonge
01-08-2005, 06:00 AM
If your such an Impreza lover go to an Impreza forum

mclaren55
01-08-2005, 12:35 PM
I drove against an STI this week (older type STI) with my little modified 328i (210bhp)

I have to say at a 100km/h he was a bit faster. car lenght ahead but when speeds reached up to 150km/h he had to give in alot because I was sticking on his bumper again.

I said to him "why don't we go to the German Autobahn and have a testrun over there??"

He did'n't want to *uzi* the wuzzz.

He claimed he had 280bhp tuned and everythnig.

STI's Suck ---------> BMW RULEZZZZZ

I also have a hard time believing this. And for you to say STi's suck, well you are just being ignorant. This is typical from someone who has never driven an STI. They say it "sucks, blows, cheap, blablabla" without ever setting foot in one. And just because someone disagree's with what you posted doesn't mean they can't post on this forum still. It also doesn't mean they are in love with Subaru's. They just tend to respect other cars that pull great numbers. And I can tell you right now, an 05 STi wouldn't have a problem handling your 328.

Frank de Jonge
01-08-2005, 12:54 PM
Well who said anything about an 2004 or 2005 model :S

Was an older type. I drove so many cars in my life and also an STi.

Its a car for fun not for racing.

Bigbore
01-08-2005, 02:44 PM
haha the impreza is definitly a racing car, they dominated WRC for a couple years is just one example.

they arent perfect but still fast on the track as well.

328power
01-08-2005, 03:07 PM
Well who said anything about an 2004 or 2005 model :S

Was an older type. I drove so many cars in my life and also an STi.

Its a car for fun not for racing.

Ok first of all the STI came out in 2004 so i dont know what your talking about. 2ndly im sorry but STI would have no trouble blowing by you easily at anyspeed..... They run stock 13.1 1/4 mile so i dont see how you can come even close to that...

I love bimmers but an STI is damn quick and NO 328 will even come close to an STI.

I have KILLED my buddys 328 many times with no effort needed..

mclaren55
01-08-2005, 06:43 PM
Ok first of all the STI came out in 2004 so i dont know what your talking about.

Actually, the STi variant of the WRX came out in 94'.

Bigbore
01-08-2005, 07:57 PM
depends what country too guys ;) north america gets the shaft hard

Rolled_Out
01-08-2005, 09:06 PM
THIS WHOLE ****IN THREAD IS PISSING ME OFF..
dude, you want to race an E46 M3 send me a private message...
i got enough friends w/ e46 m3's willing to have a go @ your STi.
It's been done, over and over and over and over and over and over..
Having friends w/ both cars.. it's M3 EVERY TIME....not by much, but its the same result every f'n time...
Tell me what you want I have friends w/ slightly modded E46 M3's, or bone stock... OR if you wait till the snows gone you can line it up against the chrome s/c M3...get your video camera ready and send me a private message...
I'll bring my buddy w/ his Sti as well to line it up for fun..
**** this thread pissed me off like never before.. everyone talks the talk.. but who can walk the walk??????
Enough of the games...
I don't play games.

5style
01-08-2005, 09:59 PM
lol this is so dumb rally king vs track king, let see i wonder.... :D this is like taking a fiat cinquecento vs. a hummer and saying, "my hummer can fit better in that spot then your 1/4 of the size cinquecento :D

Bigbore
01-09-2005, 12:36 AM
who the track king again? lol im just kiddin yeah bmw has some great handling, but nothing compared to some cars out there stock to stock, same price range . I can name a few that are better but i`ll stick with one that i can nail you on hands down :) the corvette.

so its no track king.

striaght line track? well, then there are hundreds of cars more suited and faster for the same price, i`d pick up a TVR speed6 if i could, cheaper and faster :D hehe

tlaselva
01-09-2005, 02:58 AM
**** this thread pissed me off like never before.. everyone talks the talk.. but who can walk the walk??????

That's about it.

Lotsa bla bla bla........:rolleyes:

Rolled_Out
01-09-2005, 03:57 AM
That's about it.

Lotsa bla bla bla........:rolleyes:
Exactly.... still awaiting a pm...

Bigbore
01-09-2005, 10:57 AM
this guy probably doesnt even own an sti, i think its a LS ;)

tlaselva
01-09-2005, 07:33 PM
Exactly.... still awaiting a pm...

Set him up with Vince C. 422 Vette..... *shiner*

Don't hold your breath for a pm though.... :D

subydude
01-09-2005, 09:30 PM
YOU ****IN WAP! I SENT U A PM. I will meet any of your m3 boys..
also.. get on AOL I'll "chat " with you there.

golden
01-09-2005, 10:55 PM
haha, this is great...

my money is on the chrome m3.

subydude
01-09-2005, 11:05 PM
Ok good. I will bring a "special STI" *uzi* *uzi* *uzi*

golden
01-09-2005, 11:13 PM
are we talking just straight line? you do realize the chrome m3 has like 600 hp eh?

at that level, traction is gonna be a big problem.. and i doubt your suby is gonna be packing 300+ tires.... i dont see how you would keep up... but oh well

Rolled_Out
01-10-2005, 07:39 AM
First off..
If you read my above posts, I said he can run the chrome m3when the snows gone. Not now obviously.
I'll bring this dude an e46 m3 bone stock, when the conditions are a bit better, the roads are still wet which is stupid for the M3 and a hell of a lot better for an AWD STi. When the roads dry up I'll get him out w/ his STi.

Heres a video of subydudes STi launching. *shiner*
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46986

Rolled_Out
01-10-2005, 08:47 AM
Set him up with Vince C. 422 Vette..... *shiner*


Vince wouldn't waste his time. He could start in 2nd gear and still rip him to shreds. He's in Carrera GT territory 1/4 mile time or a tad better w/ some nice tires, and we both know that!

subydude
01-10-2005, 11:09 AM
http://www.infamousdx.com/supersuby_Sick%20launch.AVI

This is it with just a exhaust... lol
It has abit more now

tlaselva
01-10-2005, 11:25 AM
Vince wouldn't waste his time. He could start in 2nd gear and still rip him to shreds. He's in Carrera GT territory 1/4 mile time or a tad better w/ some nice tires, and we both know that!


Yup. That's a 10 sec car with tires. 9's are just NOS away.

Heard he was thinking of selling the motor. (Don't understand why....)

Let me know if he's serious about it. *angel*

p.s. Bought his iForged rims a few months ago.

Rolled_Out
01-10-2005, 11:59 AM
subydude-- I must admit, I love your car white STi w/ gold rims is simply awesome. Looks quick too. I'll get you a slightly modded M3 since your mildly modded as well. (not like it helps much on the M3 anyways). Also what do you think about running a chipped S4 w/ some other minor stuff? It's a 2001 i think and white as well :)
Tony-- Nice! The black ones by chance? I'll ask him about the motor :)

subydude
01-10-2005, 12:54 PM
It's it I guess.. Sure bring your slightly modded m3 by. Try to bring a stock m3 coupe tho. We will go from a roll for all races also I know I have the advantage off the line so whatevr..How much does your Buddies Audi dyno at the wheels?
Let me know.. I know bad boys can be dirty with a chip

Rolled_Out
01-10-2005, 12:57 PM
Stock M3 vs Modded STi is not a race, even w/ slight mods the STi will take it. My friends STi is bone stock, and when he races the stock M3 its a;wyas the m3 by a bit. Throw a few mods on the STi and that thing is flying... do the same for the M3 and theres very little difference. Anyways hes never dynoed his S4, but it's pretty fast. ;)

subydude
01-10-2005, 03:43 PM
sligh mods to a STi? I know the M3 is pretty much tweeked out stock and the only way to get HUGE power is S/C ing it...

Frank de Jonge
01-10-2005, 04:09 PM
Was that all the STI can do :P

You probably never drove an Euro M3 or seen one especially the CSL.

I can keep up with the older generation of the STI with no problem.

But yours will deffenitly never beat an M3.... NEVER!!!!!!!!

subydude
01-10-2005, 04:21 PM
Your right... NEVER *wave*
Fagg

Understated
01-10-2005, 07:45 PM
hahaah this guy is so immature i love how he sh!t talks like he's still in highschool :D

but yeah nice car man ur suby looks hot....and from the vid itself it looks relatively quick *th-up*

i still can't believe you wanna take an m3 on the track :D

Kal
01-10-2005, 07:55 PM
wow this guy wasn't even trying to start shit ... he just wanted a simple race that's all.

Understated
01-10-2005, 08:05 PM
^^^hahah tru..but things escalated i guess meh...either way he will get his race like he wanted *th-up*

subydude
01-10-2005, 08:14 PM
GUYS need to chill ... I just wanted a freindly higway roll race.. nothing crazy and not being stupid about it. Lets start from 80-100 kmh to 200 kmh max..
Just let me know..
Also.. why are people so sure of themselves in saying a dumb comment like "I can't beleive you want to take your STi to the track against a M3"
How the ****... do you know I don't have $10k in my suspension?? :D :D

Understated
01-10-2005, 08:18 PM
GUYS need to chill ... I just wanted a freindly higway roll race.. nothing crazy and not being stupid about it. Lets start from 80-100 kmh to 200 kmh max..
Just let me know..
Also.. why are people so sure of themselves in saying a dumb comment like "I can't beleive you want to take your STi to the track against a M3"
How the ****... do you know I don't have $10k in my suspension?? :D :D

hahahah...don't take it to heart bro it's just my opinion...i drive a CIVIC for christ's sake :D i'm sure ur subaru could so some serious damage...but i'm a loyal m3 lover and i refuse to believe anything can beat it :D *angel*

subydude
01-10-2005, 08:20 PM
:confused:

mclaren55
01-10-2005, 08:38 PM
Was that all the STI can do :P

You probably never drove an Euro M3 or seen one especially the CSL.

I can keep up with the older generation of the STI with no problem.

But yours will deffenitly never beat an M3.... NEVER!!!!!!!!

Why do you keep saying this sort of shit? I am guessing you are just trying to start something. A modded (even slightly, I had a turbo car, I know how they respond) STi will work a modded M3. Now lets not get stupid here and start bringing in M3's with a 10k supercharger kit. I know on my Talon when I added an ACT 2600, boost controller, and 3" turboback it went from a 14.8 stock, to 13.7's all day long. Now think of a subie with a nice 3", BC, and a good clutch. Besides, they also have VCD which is nice. With those three mod's they run mid to high 12's all day long.

P.S. Subydude, you going to post a video of your RX7? I am looking forward to seeing what it can do. Ever brought it to the track? You launch your STi quite well, wonder what kind of 60' times you are going to hit (in my talon I hit 1.51's on Nitto's). Still on for Dunnville in the spring time?

///MsAniTy
01-10-2005, 09:17 PM
tony u got some rims for the vette ehh. sweet.

WhadUpp
01-12-2005, 10:11 PM
Oh no DJ Franks at it again, he must of beat another STI lol ;)

BMWF1
01-12-2005, 11:14 PM
one of my best friends anthony likes to take runs at Japanesse cars, hes got a Cobra what you think?

subydude
01-12-2005, 11:26 PM
I would love that

BMWF1
01-13-2005, 10:47 AM
its a 67 AC Cobra 427, so your gonna have to wait till spring as its stored right now

Godspeed
01-13-2005, 10:49 AM
Replica, I imagine? If not, that's sick. :eek:

BMWF1
01-13-2005, 02:31 PM
His Dad is VP for Ford Canada So i highly doubt its a replica

subydude
01-13-2005, 03:14 PM
whats his dads name? I doubt he is the V.P of Ford.. I use to work there I know the V.P of Ford Motor Co Oakville.. I worked directly for him as vehicle programs manager. His name is Robert (BOb) Gerrard. and the Pres is Allan Batty.
I know Robert doesn't have a son that is older than 16 years old.. lol.
I love catching people in there Bull -S-hit!

id u want to test me out... cal 905 845 2511 ..biatch..

Frank de Jonge
01-13-2005, 04:51 PM
Shut up Subydude and your own mother is a cunt btw.

She sucks and you suck even worse

subydude
01-13-2005, 05:26 PM
I DON'T HAVE A MOTHER
ME AND MY DAD SHARE YOURS.. YOU FAGG. HA HA .. :puke:

BMWF1
01-13-2005, 07:35 PM
whats his dads name? I doubt he is the V.P of Ford.. I use to work there I know the V.P of Ford Motor Co Oakville.. I worked directly for him as vehicle programs manager. His name is Robert (BOb) Gerrard. and the Pres is Allan Batty.
I know Robert doesn't have a son that is older than 16 years old.. lol.
I love catching people in there Bull -S-hit!

id u want to test me out... cal 905 845 2511 ..biatch..

your a fuking retard, do you know how many different divisions they have. Stop talking you should be banned off this forum. plus the 427 would eat you for fun.

subydude
01-13-2005, 07:49 PM
Gotcha didn't I bitch. Why don't you tell me how many divisions there..and how many Vice Presidents there are in ONE company :D
Buddy.. your full of shit and the only person that should get bannned from this forum are Liars and Trolls like youself..
1st you tell me your buddy in the cobra wants to race.. than you say I have to wait t'ill spring.
Than the V.P 's son has this.. ha ha ..
your a loser and you just gor OWNED! :P

WhadUpp
01-13-2005, 08:50 PM
Shut up Subydude and your own mother is a cunt btw.

She sucks and you suck even worse



Shut Up ! Go drown in your waterlogged holland basement you cocky bastard

subydude
01-13-2005, 08:57 PM
cocky and confident . *wave*

grossi
01-13-2005, 09:45 PM
Subydude, go run your car at a track, and post your times.
Street racing's for boys.

Cuz you beat this car or that on the street, means squat.

Numbers don't lie.

And if you have 350 HP, then I'll gladly meet you at Cayuga in the spring.

:eek: Dem' der fightin' words ma!

Man, I would love to see your Vette and hear it, SMOKE anyone! *uzi* *shiner*

- BTW: subydude, nice STi, I like the colour combo... Are those ProDrive rims?

subydude
01-13-2005, 10:08 PM
nahh dude.. the yare actually JDM version 7 rims.. very very rare. Nobody has these babies.. they are straight from Japan.
I have a few more vids.. but It seems I am not very much liked in here..lol.
Only reason I am in here is becuase I may jsut keep the Sti for the winter & track days and conidering a M3 as a daily driver..
speaking with maranelo Bmw about a 2004 Crey with amole red 6 speed.
W'ell see..
infact the salesman asked to give him a ride in my Sti on a wednesday evening cuz that is when his boss won't be there..lol.
And when I 1st walked in.. he said "they call these the M3 killers" no joke... :cool:

BMWF1
01-14-2005, 01:45 AM
WOW If I were you I would stop before you make a bigger dumbass out of your self, you obviously know absoulty nothing about anything. lets take a look at How many VP's Ford Motor Company has

God How stupid are you man, seriously I would stop posting and sending me stupid PM's.

http://www.ford.com/en/company/corporateGovernance/officers.htm

Mark Fields
Executive Vice President
Ford of Europe and Premier Automotive Group

Donat R. Leclair
Executive Vice President
Chief Financial Officer

Mark A. Schulz
Executive Vice President
Asia Pacific and Africa

Greg C. Smith
Executive Vice President and
President, the Americas

Michael E. Bannister
Group Vice President
Chairman & CEO
Ford Motor Credit Company

Lewis W. K. Booth
Group Vice President
Chairman & CEO
Ford of Europe

Earl J. Hesterberg
Group Vice President
North America Marketing Sales and Service, the Americas

Roman J. Krygier
Group Vice President
Global Manufacturing

Joe W. Laymon
Group Vice President
Corporate Human Resources and Labor Affairs

Philip R. Martens
Group Vice President
Product Creation

J C. Mays
Group Vice President and Chief Creative Officer

Ziad S. Ojakli
Group Vice President
Corporate Affairs

Richard Parry-Jones
Group Vice President
Chief Technical Officer

Anne Stevens
Group Vice President
Canada, Mexico and South America

Marvin W. Adams
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subydude
01-14-2005, 02:42 AM
Retard.. you just owned yourself.. lol.. after spending 3 hours to cover your bull shi-t lie.. Those are V.P 's from Eorope and U.S.A... LOL
Idiot

BMWF1
01-14-2005, 08:29 AM
man i'm gonna stop arguing with you because your obviously mentally challanged and I don't feel right trying to make fun of someone that is either handicapped or suffers a case of mild retardation. So I don't know what else to tell you, that is a list taken off the US website to show you that there is a Sales VP, Financial VP, and each DIVISION has there own, Ford, Lincoln, Land Rover, ETC ETC. So Again Its pretty obvious that you must be retarded not to understand but I do not tend to further make fun of mentally challanged people.

subydude
01-14-2005, 04:33 PM
ya I am retarded.. but atleats I don't lie LOL *uzi*

Frank de Jonge
01-14-2005, 04:35 PM
retard retard retard :D:D:D

Kal
01-15-2005, 01:02 PM
maxbimmer is getting owned by subydude

Frank de Jonge
01-15-2005, 01:32 PM
Yeah we all put our horses together in one car and still loose from SUBYDUDE :idea:

subydude
01-15-2005, 07:05 PM
:confused: ..

shimajer
01-15-2005, 07:53 PM
seriosuly, lets stop talkin shit to each other and just watch the race ;)

subydude
01-15-2005, 08:35 PM
Lets do this :cool:

tlaselva
01-16-2005, 12:26 AM
tony u got some rims for the vette ehh. sweet.

Yup.

Buying some Michelin Sport Cups for them soon.

Post up some pics once done.

Should help trying to hook up off the line.

Going for the 11's this spring.... :)

///MsAniTy
01-16-2005, 03:53 PM
tlaselva your a bastard 11's. mann i prolly cant break into the 14's with my 328 n here u are talking bout 11's. good work and i would lvoe to actually see your z in person one day.

Surk
01-19-2005, 03:23 PM
You need to contact Yansha in the GTA and his Laguna Seca ESS will be happy to demonstrate what :moon: you are...



Lets do this :cool:

STALKER
01-19-2005, 03:44 PM
Surk is right. Yansha is the man to see if you want to race. Especially since your engine is modded, as is his.
I would still put my money on the Z06 though.

Surk
01-19-2005, 06:53 PM
Pej>> When\If you get tired of your M3..I want "dibs".. *love*

Lastly.. why race from 80-200kph... why not start from a stop and see who gets to 200kph 1st... that'll give you a true test of powerbands\performance.. without excuses like my "turbo lagged" and my wastegate stuck... Do it if you think your Sub *smoke*

Surk is right. Yansha is the man to see if you want to race. Especially since your engine is modded, as is his.
I would still put my money on the Z06 though.

STALKER
01-19-2005, 07:26 PM
Surk,
With the amount of $$$ I have thrown away in this car, I think Im gonna have to keep it for a very long time. Unless I win the lottery or something.

Surk
01-19-2005, 08:41 PM
That's okay Pej>> I need to win the lottery to afford your M3 too *wave*

Surk,
With the amount of $$$ I have thrown away in this car, I think Im gonna have to keep it for a very long time. Unless I win the lottery or something.

NB Euro Direct
01-19-2005, 11:39 PM
lol this is so dumb rally king vs track king, let see i wonder.... :D this is like taking a fiat cinquecento vs. a hummer and saying, "my hummer can fit better in that spot then your 1/4 of the size cinquecento :D

Actually the rally champs is still the Lancia Integrale Delta evoluzione.
It won it 5 times in a row never been done before...

on the topic now.

sti vs m3
same old story, sti jumps off the line, m3 makes up at higher rpm range and higher speeds. Almost dead even...Drivers come into play.

sti vs 328
sorry 328 doesn't have a chance, @0, 60, 100, 150, 200 km/h

now i can't stand the fact that when someone with a turbo car says, IC fmic, mbc, exhaust.
YOU are FI, the way a FI car responds to mods is totally different. Obviously not many turbo owners will tell you they have raised the boost. Kinda like mustang owners saying they drive a STOCK mustang and they have headers, pulleys, exhaust, spray etc.

on the track bmw M series has the upper hand, always had always will unless subaru comes with some insane rwd. Awd "hates" the dry, hates too much grip already on the road(not many awd put slicks or they will break something HARD)

both great cars both great at what they do, not in the same class. Take it for what it's worth. If you on a budget then small cheap turbo application is for you to have fun. BMW (new ones) is fun with more money. Your choice!!
But if i had a sti i would on some trail instead of setting up race wars on bmw forums. Put a cage go have fun, don't be another SUV driver who never goes offroading.

Have fun,
(don't forget you say you you have AWD, germans invented it....they can perfect it as well ;) )

subydude
01-20-2005, 12:46 AM
So lets see.. what the outcome would be between MY Sti and a M3. Everything you said there I almost agree with buddy.. awd doesn't hate the DRY *no-no*

AND BIG *no-no* *no-no* To sti vs m3
same old story, sti jumps off the line, m3 makes up at higher rpm range and higher speeds. Almost dead even...Drivers come into play.

If you think that a M3 can ever catch up to a slightly modded ( meaning a Exhaust and downpipe)STi off the line your dreaming...
but whatver this is a Bmw forum I can only expect this.
I give up! I posted this almost 2 months ago now and nobody wants to play. I think I am gona leave this forum .. so sad this is my last post and visit.. *wave*

NB Euro Direct
01-20-2005, 09:40 AM
"If you think that a M3 can ever catch up to a slightly modded ( meaning a Exhaust and downpipe)STi off the line your dreaming... '

You are talking modded vs stock. How do i know you ain't got a chip that raises the boost? And like i said FI cars respond different to mods. Why not a stock vs stock race? Just left the showrooms?
Sorry i understand you want to show off but i don't think it's fair as it isn't a supercharged M3 racing a sti stock...

vertakul
01-20-2005, 12:13 PM
guys you are also comparing a 100K car to a 50K car.. AND you want to boost the m3 as well?? well thats another 20g's at least.. lets put all that money into an STI and see how they compare, lol.

mclaren55
01-20-2005, 12:39 PM
guys you are also comparing a 100K car to a 50K car.. AND you want to boost the m3 as well?? well thats another 20g's at least.. lets put all that money into an STI and see how they compare, lol.

Yea, its more expensive. But when does money factor into it? I could buy a rusted civic for 2g's and put the extra 48g's from the STI into it and run 9's. Who cares. Those arguements are always so pointless, its always the peasants who bring that shit up.

P.S. I am not calling you, aschon, a peasant. Just saying that any car can be made faster then another. And there is no point in bringing in the price tags. You aren't going to go up to the guy with a Ferrari and say "You wasted your money, my civic is faster." are ya?

rad318Ti
01-20-2005, 04:10 PM
^^^^ true....

i hate it when people say shit like why would you do that to that car, you could have gotten this for the same price, blah, its soo bull shit.... any car can be made fast with money... period.

vertakul
01-20-2005, 06:12 PM
I agree with what you say but it's pretty sad when they are both brand new running really close to eachother and one is half the price.

mclaren55
01-20-2005, 06:37 PM
I agree with what you say but it's pretty sad when they are both brand new running really close to eachother and one is half the price.

How is it sad? You aren't paying for straight line speed when you purchase an M3. Nor are you buying refinement and interior fit and finish when you purchase an STi. Some of you guys remind me of Z06 guys (no offense to any Z06 guys here), but they always blab about how their cars are so fast and cheaper then the rest. There is a reason those cars are cheaper then others, even if they are faster.

Oh, and an STi isn't "half" the price, its more like 2/3's.

Bigbore
01-22-2005, 10:52 AM
sti = 50,000
m3= 73,000

base prices

vertakul
01-22-2005, 12:37 PM
isn't m3 more than 73K base price?

NB Euro Direct
01-22-2005, 12:44 PM
How is it sad? You aren't paying for straight line speed when you purchase an M3. Nor are you buying refinement and interior fit and finish when you purchase an STi. Some of you guys remind me of Z06 guys (no offense to any Z06 guys here), but they always blab about how their cars are so fast and cheaper then the rest. There is a reason those cars are cheaper then others, even if they are faster.

Oh, and an STi isn't "half" the price, its more like 2/3's.

z06 is a very good car for what it is. Yes it goes fast even though a european engine 2-3L less than that is capable of making the same power NA. The suspension is old. Leaf springs back(yes they are newer design etc etc but old) you can say i have tuned carb to the max but FI is always more precise at any given time.
I don't mind vette's but europeans push the technology envelope a bit more. M series was one of the first to come with smg throttle by wire etc etc...
well you are buying everything when you get something like that. Even though with the e36 bmw kinda went cheap on the suspension with e46 they were addressed and corrected.

Bigbore
01-22-2005, 01:21 PM
isn't m3 more than 73K base price?

its right off www.bmw.ca and www.subaru.ca

Jon@Bimmersport
01-22-2005, 02:36 PM
how bout we run a 4 way i got the perfect ideas..all will be done once spring comes

WhadUpp
01-22-2005, 02:57 PM
z06 is a very good car for what it is. Yes it goes fast even though a european engine 2-3L less than that is capable of making the same power NA. The suspension is old. Leaf springs back(yes they are newer design etc etc but old) you can say i have tuned carb to the max but FI is always more precise at any given time.
I don't mind vette's but europeans push the technology envelope a bit more. M series was one of the first to come with smg throttle by wire etc etc...
well you are buying everything when you get something like that. Even though with the e36 bmw kinda went cheap on the suspension with e46 they were addressed and corrected.


Leaf springs thats so 70's even if updated. Didnt know this about vettes and Im dissapointed to find this out. Isnt the vette supposed to be the epitome of what sports car should be. What what happened to double wishbone suspension.

mclaren55
01-22-2005, 06:10 PM
z06 is a very good car for what it is. Yes it goes fast even though a european engine 2-3L less than that is capable of making the same power NA. The suspension is old. Leaf springs back(yes they are newer design etc etc but old) you can say i have tuned carb to the max but FI is always more precise at any given time.
I don't mind vette's but europeans push the technology envelope a bit more. M series was one of the first to come with smg throttle by wire etc etc...
well you are buying everything when you get something like that. Even though with the e36 bmw kinda went cheap on the suspension with e46 they were addressed and corrected.

How did that have any relavence to my post? Just kind of mystified about why you qouted me and started talking about the M3 again. I was simply stating that an M3 has shit that an STi and Z06 don't, and you are paying for that in the MSRP (along with the name). As for the "leaf springs", I believe it is a SINGLE leaf spring, that is composite and is situated above the diff. Don't know for sure, but it isn't like it has a truck suspension in it.

I could care less either way, my M3 is going to be sold by April anyways. Making way for the *new* project. ;)

NB Euro Direct
01-22-2005, 07:02 PM
that had a relevance to your post since you brought up MONEY factor and z06 factor.
All the z06 guys brag that they go fast for cheap.
And i brought up the point that corvette is old design old technology.
I brought up the fact that the old M3 made 333hp from an inline 6. I made it to show that in the end you get what you pay for.
You look at the viper nice car, but cheap everything big engine and that's it. No technology involved. That's where i said that bmw has the edge over many of the competitors. They are not afraid to bring new technoly. UNfortunatelly the technology doesn't come cheap as well as the taxes on foreign automotive to be sold here.
Speaking relatively you can buy a M3 cheaper in Europe than here. BUt z06 are more expensive in Europe.
Look at the vette. Not many changes since back in the day.
M3 has changed drastically every generation. That doesn't come cheap.
Mc55 i was just agreeing with your points so read it again if you have to

tlaselva
01-23-2005, 04:36 PM
that had a relevance to your post since you brought up MONEY factor and z06 factor.
All the z06 guys brag that they go fast for cheap.
And i brought up the point that corvette is old design old technology.
I brought up the fact that the old M3 made 333hp from an inline 6. I made it to show that in the end you get what you pay for.
You look at the viper nice car, but cheap everything big engine and that's it. No technology involved.


Old design and old tech?

What does that have to say about BMW's 'high tech' when 'old tech' Chev will decimate any BMW M car at their own game (road course)?

A Z06 offers superior performance at less expensive build/operating cost with far fewer moving parts. Ask any engineer he will tell you that the fewer parts a machine does to get the same job done the better. This will also of course lowers build/operating costs considerably.

Some manufactures will try to re-invent the wheel so they can justify charging high prices for they're vehicles.
Others will stay with what works, and perfect on it, and pass the savings on to their customers.

If you want to get into comparing the 'high tech' S54 engine to the 'low tech' LS6 out of my Vette, I'd be glad to. Just make sure you do your homework.
I've own(ed) both (Owned a '02 M3 for 6 months before the Vette), so your not going to get away with blowing smoke.

You want to buy high tech for the sake of being able to brag about having a 'high tech' car?
I'll stick to what offers the best performance for the dollar, and hope I don't catch you at a light.... ;)

328power
01-23-2005, 06:00 PM
Old design and old tech?

What does that have to say about BMW's 'high tech' when 'old tech' Chev will decimate any BMW M car at their own game (road course)?

A Z06 offers superior performance at less expensive build/operating cost with far fewer moving parts. Ask any engineer he will tell you that the fewer parts a machine does to get the same job done the better. This will also of course lowers build/operating costs considerably.

Some manufactures will try to re-invent the wheel so they can justify charging high prices for they're vehicles.
Others will stay with what works, and perfect on it, and pass the savings on to their customers.

If you want to get into comparing the 'high tech' S54 engine to the 'low tech' LS6 out of my Vette, I'd be glad to. Just make sure you do your homework.
I've own(ed) both (Owned a '02 M3 for 6 months before the Vette), so your not going to get away with blowing smoke.

You want to buy high tech for the sake of being able to brag about having a 'high tech' car?
I'll stick to what offers the best performance for the dollar, and hope I don't catch you at a light.... ;)

*th-up* Nothing beats the Z06 :) ... I was soooo close to buying one :( decided to be cheap and buy a house next year instead.... Pure

NB Euro Direct
01-23-2005, 08:00 PM
Old design and old tech?

What does that have to say about BMW's 'high tech' when 'old tech' Chev will decimate any BMW M car at their own game (road course)?

A Z06 offers superior performance at less expensive build/operating cost with far fewer moving parts. Ask any engineer he will tell you that the fewer parts a machine does to get the same job done the better. This will also of course lowers build/operating costs considerably.

Some manufactures will try to re-invent the wheel so they can justify charging high prices for they're vehicles.
Others will stay with what works, and perfect on it, and pass the savings on to their customers.

If you want to get into comparing the 'high tech' S54 engine to the 'low tech' LS6 out of my Vette, I'd be glad to. Just make sure you do your homework.
I've own(ed) both (Owned a '02 M3 for 6 months before the Vette), so your not going to get away with blowing smoke.

You want to buy high tech for the sake of being able to brag about having a 'high tech' car?
I'll stick to what offers the best performance for the dollar, and hope I don't catch you at a light.... ;)

i never said the z06 were bad...
I said old technology...
never did i compare m3 and vette on straight line etc etc.
Now lets say smg...
it will improve the shifting it will improve shifting even though many of us won't like it.
next z06 viper is all about displacement. Nothing wrong with it but i think bmw is going towards the F1 technology. It will take some time to perfect many of the things. But you can't be like value for the dollar in that case then you will be happy with cheap interior etc etc.
I like it more when a company throws money into designing something new. You know everything evolutes might as well cars!

STALKER
01-25-2005, 01:01 AM
http://216.118.109.8/m3forum/showthread.php?t=54523

Surk
01-25-2005, 03:33 PM
Self explanatory video Pej

Bottom line is at the finish line...which car would 99% of ppl still wanna own regardless of outcome... If you want to post on MaxBimmer and call wins.. you should expect this time of reception.. Please don't post that you also beat this M3 below..

A Suby will ONLY ever be a "Ultimate Sewing Machine" *th-up*

http://216.118.109.8/m3forum/showthread.php?t=54523

STALKER
01-25-2005, 04:42 PM
The cars in that vid are both stock.

grossi
01-25-2005, 06:11 PM
The cars in that vid are both stock.

:eek: Nice video... If memory serves me correctly, I've also seen a video with a stock SMG M3 vs. an EVOVIII I believe? Anyways, the M3 smokes that one too. I'm not knocking the STi and EVO, I love them both.

STALKER
01-25-2005, 09:50 PM
The Sti is a nice car, its not for me though. It has a very diff purpose than a M3. An M3 is fast but it is also luxurious, STi is not. Again, nice car but has a diff purpose.

vertakul
01-26-2005, 12:28 AM
I think every STI owner would take an M3 over it.. but that wasn't the arguement.

STALKER
01-26-2005, 01:37 AM
no one said that it was.