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Lee in Ottawa
09-19-2004, 02:20 PM
Anybody here have a TCD kit on their M30?

bmw335ist
09-19-2004, 06:03 PM
I will be getting mine next wensday. why?

MarkD
09-19-2004, 07:23 PM
Anybody here have a TCD kit on their M30?


Someone in Toronto bought the first kit and installed it about 4 weeks ago. I made him a custom chip to work in conjunction with his Perfect Power SMT-6. He had the car at Mosport last week for the driving school.

MarkD

bmw335ist
09-19-2004, 07:38 PM
Someone in Toronto bought the first kit and installed it about 4 weeks ago. I made him a custom chip to work in conjunction with his Perfect Power SMT-6. He had the car at Mosport last week for the driving school.

MarkD

How did his car do and what psi is he running?

MarkD
09-19-2004, 07:57 PM
The car ran very well. I think he's running around 10lbs boost. He doesn't have an intercooler yet. He has a MAF conversion and 42# injectors. I'll probably tweak it up some more in a few weeks.

MarkD

Lee in Ottawa
09-19-2004, 11:18 PM
I've been talking to that guy. I'm most likely gonna order a kit this week. He's running 14psi and once intercooled wants to put it up and get around 375 at the wheels. bmw335ist if you don't mind my asking how much is it costing you and how much is shipping?

MarkD
09-20-2004, 01:51 AM
I've been talking to that guy. I'm most likely gonna order a kit this week. He's running 14psi and once intercooled wants to put it up and get around 375 at the wheels. bmw335ist if you don't mind my asking how much is it costing you and how much is shipping?

I couldn't remember what boost he was running now, as he was slowly increasing it. Dave posts on bimmer.info, I assume you saw his posts there.

MarkD

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 03:20 AM
I am as crazy as todd is maby even more so, my set up softwere wise is the same as his test car but my motor is built and so is my clutch and at the same psi i should dyno numbers alot higher that his. the kit i am getting is set for 20psi to start with 42# injectors i am also going to run 3 1/2 inch exhost and 1 3/4 wast pipe with no cat.
When i get every thing running and i am not breaking any more parts i am going tec 3.
sorry about the spelling it is late and i am not a good speller any way.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 11:59 AM
What internals are you using? Did you do pistons and rods or everything? Also I assume your going intercooled, are you using the one from TCD air using a front mount?

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 01:18 PM
I am going to use todd's large air/water inner cooler. and the bottom end is stock for now

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 01:19 PM
What do mean by built motor? I'm comtemplating building mine over the winter when I do the turbo.

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 01:21 PM
when to time comes i want an m5 euro pounched over to 4L or an m30 bored and stroked as much as it can be.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 01:22 PM
But for the time being the motor your installing the kit on. What do you have done to it?

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 02:42 PM
Check the link i have alot done.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/629515

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 02:44 PM
What do mean by built motor? I'm comtemplating building mine over the winter when I do the turbo.

I ment fully built top end the rest will come latter.

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 02:58 PM
Anybody here have a TCD kit on their M30?

Are you thanking of getting one?

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 04:24 PM
Ya i'm really close. Definately won't be a built as yours. I was talking to Todd and he pointed me in the direction of David (the owner of the e34 in ontario TCD equiped) and I've now been in contact with him trying to get an idea of what I want to do. The original plan was to move over into an e36 and work on that but I love the styling of the e34 way too much. However last week i found myself surounded by about 15 imports last week at a light. Most of them were turbo so needless to say my ass was handed to me. So now i'm looking to sqeeze some more power out of the m30. My cousin has an e30 with an m30 in it like you and is using parts off of a 745 to turbo it. I was gonna go that route but would like a complete kit like TCD. I also need to figure out if my 220k motor can handle it. I know it was rebuilt by previous owner but not sure how long ago. Anyways when i'm done i'm hopeing to put down around 350 at the wheels. Nothing crazy just enough to have fun with.

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 04:56 PM
well that sounds fun but what you have to understand is the Tq of the motor is going to be crazy todds motor has head lift he needs head studs and the motor still made 363rwhp and 433rwtq and at 312rwhp he made 375rwtq if you wanted a fast car with out doing any thang to the motor then run 15psi 375rwtq and the right gear in the rear nothing will come close to your car.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 05:56 PM
Thats the plan for now
I know of someone selling forged pistons and rods which I might buy and whenand if the motor decide to die on me i'll build it then. I'm a little worried about the valves and retainers etc. Will they be able to take it?

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 06:04 PM
so far todd has not had a problem i think he revs to 6500 if you rev higher than 6500 all the time on the stock setup you might need to do some work.
The head and valve train that i am running i make max power at 6800 and i will set the red line to 7000

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 06:15 PM
I hope it lasts a little while. I have a leak up front of my engine that will have to be addressed before a install anything. It first looked like oil pan gasket but now looks a little more serious. like timing chain cover perhaps? So when everything is apart i'll check it out and see if anything needs replacing.
Also right now I have a faily new stock clutch, should I replace it right away or see how long it will last>?

Bruno
09-20-2004, 06:36 PM
Dave is the guy who has the kit installed. He didn't do much on the bottom end, just a fresh set of rings. He did some work on the cylinder head and slapped a new headgasket. I had lunck with him today and I told him he should install a thicker headgasket... He is verry knowledgeable and knows what to buy, it is not his 1st turbo install... A good customer of mine.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 06:40 PM
Ya he seems like a very nice guy through his e-mails and he's very helpful. This will be my first turbo car so i'm looking for all the help I can get. Bruno I know a thicker head gasket isn't necessary but will it help out alot? Also who sells them for this motor?

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 06:51 PM
the stock head gasket seem's to be fine and at high boost add head studs.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 06:54 PM
Where can I order head studs. ARP i'm guessing makes them?

Bruno
09-20-2004, 06:57 PM
ARP are the best, I will have to try to find a supplier as I need rod bolts, main and head studs for my race engine I am building.

I asked my supplier in the states to see if they have good prices on them.

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 06:59 PM
yep i would call sumiet raceing and give them this part number 201-4602 bmw 535,635,735 thoes are the studs i am useing. their about 180 shiped

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 07:00 PM
Also what else whould I change when I open up the motor.
head studs
rings (can u get performance rings?)
head gasket
anything else

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 07:04 PM
are you pulling the motor out of the car?

Bruno
09-20-2004, 07:08 PM
If you have cash... get Bill at Motek a call 416-236-3194.
I was talking to him today about turbo applications and rebuilding my race car engine. No BS from Bill, he will tell you what works or not.

That is if you are in the GTA off course.

If you want you can get new low compression piston (big bucks) a hotter cam a lightened E28 flywheel and M5 clutch.... the list goes on...
a MAF will be perfect for the application (I stopped selling them, but I can get one for your car).

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 07:11 PM
If you have cash... get Bill at Motek a call 416-236-3194.
I was talking to him today about turbo applications and rebuilding my race car engine. No BS from Bill, he will tell you what works or not.

That is if you are in the GTA off course.

If you want you can get new low compression piston (big bucks) a hotter cam a lightened E28 flywheel and M5 clutch.... the list goes on...
a MAF will be perfect for the application (I stopped selling them, but I can get one for your car).

Hi my name is jason what do you think of going full tec3 on a m30?

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 07:13 PM
I am planning on it for a spring project.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 07:14 PM
Wasn't planning taking it out. All this is gonna happen this winter. My cousin is way more mechanicly inclined than I am so he'll be doing most of the work. He's really familiar with m30's. I'd love to able to piece this all together for around 7g-8gs. I know it's not the biggest budget in the world but i'm hopeing I can make it happen. Is this unrealistic?

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 07:17 PM
just to replace all the gaskets and turbo for 7-$8000 hell ya but it depends on how much your cousion is charging.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 07:22 PM
thats still to be worked out, hopefully not too much. I'm starting to get real excited. My buddy has a eclipse and has dropped over 25gs on his motor this year and has been talking so much shit lately. Can't wait till next summer.

Is tec 3 the management Dado from dtm is running now. He seems to love it compared to what he had before.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 07:26 PM
this is interesting
http://bmwturbos.scottiesharpe.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=908&SearchTerms=arp,head,studs
that would really suck

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 07:47 PM
not trying to be an expert but it sounds like he put the studs on and never recheck them so when the gasket started to go it created movement of the head then the steel washers started cutting into the head. or the nuts just started working loose over time.

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 07:49 PM
thats still to be worked out, hopefully not too much. I'm starting to get real excited. My buddy has a eclipse and has dropped over 25gs on his motor this year and has been talking so much shit lately. Can't wait till next summer.

Is tec 3 the management Dado from dtm is running now. He seems to love it compared to what he had before.

Yep dado has tec3 it is the best engine managment out. that is just my opinion.

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 07:55 PM
thats still to be worked out, hopefully not too much. I'm starting to get real excited. My buddy has a eclipse and has dropped over 25gs on his motor this year and has been talking so much shit lately. Can't wait till next summer.

Is tec 3 the management Dado from dtm is running now. He seems to love it compared to what he had before.

One more thang E34biturbo (pat p) maby spent 8000 on his motor and 6000 on the turbo and engine managment if you were to buy it but he made most all of the stuff. So if you spent $25,000 on an m30 just the motor you would not be able to use 3/4 of the power and the car would twist in half so tell your freind if you just spent 1/2 that amount he had better take off first.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 08:02 PM
Ya my 7g's is cdn funds. That should be good enough. Whats the tec system worth? Not that i would need it but maybe in the future. When shes totally built and put down 650rwhp :D
Maybe some day

bmw335ist
09-20-2004, 08:11 PM
with a lap top my last Quote was $2000 and you have to make the bracket for the crank trigger. but it is easy the show you how.

Lee in Ottawa
09-20-2004, 08:22 PM
Would Bruno's maf Make a big difference? I can't remeber what board but I read somewhere that a MAF wouldn't help? Also do you have to always program a MAF or is it set it and leave it? Worth the $$?

bmw335ist
09-21-2004, 07:08 PM
I think that the MAf helps more on tuning than any thang on FI engines.

bmw335ist
09-21-2004, 08:11 PM
Would Bruno's maf Make a big difference? I can't remeber what board but I read somewhere that a MAF wouldn't help? Also do you have to always program a MAF or is it set it and leave it? Worth the $$?

I have read that the best #'s from a MAF is to go biggy back set it were you want and leave it. and if tuned right it could be worth the $$. It all depends on what you are looking for and on your setup, if you have the stock motor it's not worth the money if you are FI it is worth the money.

Bruno
09-21-2004, 09:46 PM
Well I did own a 535i with the M30 engine and I played with a lot of different M30 cars... and I can tell you that a chip and a MAF will increase the HP on these cars.
The old Air flow meter is quite restrictive and gets very old.

bmw335ist
09-22-2004, 08:40 PM
Ya they are restrictive on stock engines but i am wondering what the difference would be with FI you are forceing air through any way.
When my car is up and running i am going to dyno with the stock AFM, and before i go full tek3 i might try playing with piggy back and get diled in at 20psi.