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328is_Perf
05-13-2004, 04:20 AM
ok now.. i really thought the E46 M3 ran 13.1's ... but now that i see this ... http://www.tremek.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1020 ... it making me feel waay different...


niice ... the m3 is one awesome car!

Daft
05-13-2004, 04:34 AM
An average 1/4mi time for an M3 is in the low 13's. But if you are an exceptional driver you can get into the mid 12's like this guy here --> http://www.daftproductions.com/videos/M3_12-497_109-30.mpg
His only mods are Eurobahn software and lightweight wheels with a time of 12.49@109mph!

Daft
05-13-2004, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by 328is_Perf
ok now.. i really thought the E46 M3 ran 13.1's ... but now that i see this ... http://www.tremek.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1020 ... it making me feel waay different... haha i just visited that link and the video i just posted above is of the same guy in that other video. I hosted that video as well.

328is_Perf
05-13-2004, 09:42 PM
niiice... this is a big smack down for all the big american v8s... a 3.2 totally beating them... such as the Z06 and others

Soldo
05-13-2004, 10:10 PM
Why wouldn't it be capable?

Think about it, i don't think that the 13.1 stock 1/4 mile time they give is in the BEST conditions, you can get a lot better time depending on the weather, tires, all kinds of different factors, when i took my car to the track i was happy as shit when i pulled a 15.2 with 190km on the engine, i've read up on them, and everywhere said 16!

moerom
05-13-2004, 10:14 PM
A Z06 will run a 12.5-12.7, however, it will trap at 115+ mph whereas an M3 will trap at 108ish mph. Its a bad comparison.

tlaselva
05-14-2004, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by 328is_Perf
niiice... this is a big smack down for all the big american v8s... a 3.2 totally beating them... such as the Z06 and others

Um, no.
If you want to compare best against the best, I can send you a link to a well known Z owner that consistently is in the high 11's, TOTALLY stock, right down to the filter, (unlike the M3). His best is a 11.68 (best confirmed time on Z06forum.com). Would be naive of me to take that time and say the Z06 owns a Dodge Viper cuz it averages 12 flat.

What you seeing in that video is a very experienced drag racer, applying all the little tricks, ie. icing the intake, using tire spray, big burnouts, and HARD power-shifting. I'd be willing to wager good money that same driver applying the same tricks to a Z would also be in the 11's with a Z06.

You should be looking at what these car's do realistically.
All things being equal, the M3's a mid 13 sec car.
The Z is a mid 12 sec car. Simple HP to weight ratio's will tell you that. Remember I've owned a M3, and currently own a Z.
I speak through experience when I say there is no comparison in brute power between the M3 and the Z06.

Gianpaolo_E46
05-14-2004, 02:44 AM
I believe it...like a few weeks back a guy with a 330i ZHP (Performance Package) did something ilke 14.012 or extremly low 14's ...completly stock....including the spare tire in the trunk

felixthecat
05-14-2004, 03:23 AM
he sure got good bite off the line there...

328is_Perf
05-14-2004, 04:26 AM
-tlaselva ... YOU WIN... lol ... ok good you proved me wrong...

now if this guy here would run in my car.. would he run the 14.7 or less that i hear about?? i'd say he'd be able to run 14.5 at least since the 330 and 328 are not much off power to weight ratio

i ran 15.2 after 3 months of owning the car (328is) and (big mistake) pulled out my air filter holder to get the cool intake sound...

i fell like i can run a 14.9 now... i wanna try again... but i don't wanna break my car... drag racing isnt too good for it

328is_Perf
05-14-2004, 04:29 AM
i don't wanna argue... remember... i just wanna KNOW

Daft
05-14-2004, 07:01 PM
I wanna get this for my M3
http://www.activeautowerke.com/ProjectE46M3/default.cfm

felixthecat
05-14-2004, 07:41 PM
no one can ever touch the brute force capabilitys of an american pushrod v8,ppl always say hp vs hp and torque vs torque,it should be the same.but go for a ride in a 11 second german v8 car and an 11 second american v8 car...the german one will leave you like"wow thats fast",the american one will leave you like"i wanna go home now,im scared"..they just achieve the same #s,but thats just on paper,a totally different kind of power..

328is_Perf
05-14-2004, 10:17 PM
cool

Daft
05-15-2004, 07:06 AM
Originally posted by felixthecat
no one can ever touch the brute force capabilitys of an american pushrod v8,ppl always say hp vs hp and torque vs torque,it should be the same.but go for a ride in a 11 second german v8 car and an 11 second american v8 car...the german one will leave you like"wow thats fast",the american one will leave you like"i wanna go home now,im scared"..they just achieve the same #s,but thats just on paper,a totally different kind of power.. Screw american pushrod engines and their 1950's technology, i'd rather ride in a modern bavarian beast like a 6cyl Porsche GT2 Turbo! I'm sure that will be more of a fun ride than any american V8 can give..

SickFinga
05-15-2004, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by felixthecat
no one can ever touch the brute force capabilitys of an american pushrod v8,ppl always say hp vs hp and torque vs torque,it should be the same.but go for a ride in a 11 second german v8 car and an 11 second american v8 car...the german one will leave you like"wow thats fast",the american one will leave you like"i wanna go home now,im scared"..they just achieve the same #s,but thats just on paper,a totally different kind of power..


ummmmm no

the reason why american cars makes you shit is torque.

but given same weight, hp, torque it doesnt matter what kind of engine you got, it will feel the same.

328is_Perf
05-15-2004, 09:42 PM
im pretty sure a DOHC dual Vanos V8 if it would be a 7.0L would be a whole lot better than OHV old tech V8 7.0L

328is_Perf
05-15-2004, 09:43 PM
my LAWNMOWER is OHV... lol and so is the Viper...

tlaselva
05-15-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Daft
Screw american pushrod engines and their 1950's technology, i'd rather ride in a modern bavarian beast like a 6cyl Porsche GT2 Turbo! I'm sure that will be more of a fun ride than any american V8 can give..

In your words, you'd rather drive a high tech engine.
Ok, I can appreciate you'd rather drive a high revving engine instead of a '1950 technology' pushrod V8.

Other than personal preference, what is it about a high revving, high tech engine does better than a 'old tech' V8?
Now I'm talking about tangible aspects, not 'I like the sound'.

To set the conversation, let's compare the S54 in the E46 M3 and the LS6 in the Z06. Why would you choose the S54 over the LS6?

felixthecat
05-15-2004, 10:41 PM
im just a fan of the pushrod v8's i guess..ive riden in alot of them,and it just seems like a different kind of power(not just because of the torque)sure alot of german v8's can make the same torque and hp..even higher in some cases...but the hp and torque peeks are usually different...i love the super low steady power...id call it gorilla power not horse power,hmmmmm ive never seena a german or jap v8 in top fuel...they must be working on it eh......

felixthecat
05-15-2004, 10:46 PM
was it the quad cam LT4??in the grand sport corvette?they were making 400hp out of that thing in stock trim in what?94' or so?...you could compare that to any german NA motor of today...