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AMG_POWER
02-08-2004, 07:03 PM
The E39 M5 was beaten in most car magazine tests, by the Audi RS6 and E55 by MB. But the new E60 M5 won't be king of the hill either. Why, because Audi's new generation A6 is getting a 5.5L V10 engine from the Lamborghini Gallardo!

So, both the E60 M5 and the new upcoming Audi A6 will have V10 motors. If you ask me, I'd take a Lamborghini V10 any day over a BMW one.
What do you guys think about this?
:confused:

Quack
02-08-2004, 07:10 PM
I think that's retarded, what's all these guys doing shoving V10's in there, hey Vlad would you take a E-Class with the engine from the CL65, lets just call it the E65 with 612hp, it seems so unessecery

AMG_POWER
02-08-2004, 07:17 PM
well i'll take the audi v10 becasue it's awd right? so it will have some traction but e65 nah No traction, ppl with e55 saying that it has way too much torque which as you said is unessecery 90% of all the time....and dont forget winter lol that must be pain in the ass....But i think it's a good idea v10 + AWD... right now i'm passing on e55 just because of the winter....now i'm thinking weather to go with cayenne turbo slightly used or maybe just an sti for every day use, but i defenetly not taking e65*th-up*

Jon@Bimmersport
02-08-2004, 07:18 PM
i'd take the SL65 thats comming soon! :)

M5 will beat them all in handling though

Quack
02-08-2004, 07:25 PM
you're worried about torque and you are looking into purchasing a cayenne turbo?, that thing has some torque if I recall, even though it 4wd, the cayenne will be spinning in circles if you give it a little gas in the winter

AMG_POWER
02-08-2004, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Quack
you're worried about torque and you are looking into purchasing a cayenne turbo?, that thing has some torque if I recall, even though it 4wd, the cayenne will be spinning in circles if you give it a little gas in the winter

Nah with winter tyres it's perfectly fine...i test drove one and if you dont push it there's almost no boost, and it's just like driving cayenne S 4.5 v8 it's a nice car but expensive tho...dunno i still want an sti for some unkown reason lol. Havnt test drove one tho.

Quack
02-08-2004, 07:34 PM
you probally want one because it's cheap, fast & AWD

AMG_POWER
02-08-2004, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Quack
you probally want one because it's cheap, fast & AWD

And low 13s 1/4 and cheap mods!:D Easy to get into 12s:) but no high speed acceleration, but then again who needs it in Canada:D

mkgino
02-08-2004, 07:52 PM
I thought the M5 accelerated faster than the E55 and the RS6? I remember watching that one vid with the M5 vs those cars and the M5 won in straight line acceleration. If I remember correctly, it was a long time ago

Mystikal
02-08-2004, 07:54 PM
W0w, Gallardo V10 = TITS.

Can't wait for the inevitable magazine comparo.

AMG_POWER
02-08-2004, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by mkgino
I thought the M5 accelerated faster than the E55 and the RS6? I remember watching that one vid with the M5 vs those cars and the M5 won in straight line acceleration. If I remember correctly, it was a long time ago

No, m5 accelerated faster than rs6 but e55 just flew away!

Gamite
02-08-2004, 08:50 PM
Gallardo engine:

Type : V-10 90 degree, 18 degree crankpin offset, light-alloy block, mid mounted (longitudal), permantent four-wheel drive with viscous traction system
Cyl. Capacity : 4961 cc
Compr. ratio : 11.0:1
Max. power : 500 bhp (367 kW) at 7800 rpm
Max. torque : 510 Nm at 4500 rpm


So power is close to M5, but the M5 will be RWD, and the audi, AWD, so duncha think the M5 will be faster?

mkgino
02-08-2004, 08:53 PM
lmao, same way the A4 3.0 has the same hp as a 330i and we know who owns who.

Gamite
02-08-2004, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by mkgino
lmao, same way the A4 3.0 has the same hp as a 330i and we know who owns who.

LOL exactly! haha..

SickFinga
02-08-2004, 09:02 PM
Lambo owners will be very pissed.
I dont think it is true, cause price on Audi RS6 will be ridiculous.


But Id take CL65 over anything made by BMW or Audi.
And when some askes me what i drive, Ill say V12 BiTurbo 608hp and 723 lb/ft.

SickFinga
02-08-2004, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by AMG_POWER
The E39 M5 was beaten in most car magazine tests, by the Audi RS6 and E55 by MB.

M5 only lost in acceleration. duh, all other cars are FI.
but handling, braking m5 owned them all.

Gamite
02-08-2004, 09:09 PM
also, they're all a lot newer than E39 M5.

Quack
02-08-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Gamite
also, they're all a lot newer than E39 M5.

actually, only the E55 is newer than the other 2, the RS6 came out awhile ago, it just never reached the the shore of north america until last year

mkgino
02-08-2004, 09:18 PM
Well here is what I am thinking. If the M5 was only a little bit slower than the E55, then wont the extra 100 hp and extra tq bump it up so its faster?? Because if I can think back to that video, then the E55 only walked the M5, it didnt beat it by that much.

ROCKETMAN
02-08-2004, 09:46 PM
No, m5 accelerated faster than rs6 but e55 just flew away!

Thats wrong!! First of all, the RS6 accelerates faster than the M5, and secondly the E55 is just slightly quicker than the RS6!

source#1. Motortrend tested RS6 vs. E55.
RS6 0-60 in 4.3 sec. E55 0-60 in 4.2 sec.

source #2. Car and Driver compared, RS6, M5, E55, S-type R
RS6 0-60 in 4.4 sec. E55 0-60 in 4.3 sec. M5 0-60 in 4.9 sec

so there:D

ROCKETMAN
02-08-2004, 09:56 PM
but handling, braking m5 owned them all.

Rs6= better braking from 80mph and more g's on the skidpad.

mkgino
02-08-2004, 10:05 PM
Your on crack kid. You cant measure handling by only looking at G's on the skidpad. Where is Pat when u need him

And where is that damn video Im talking about?? I remember the commentary was in German

ROCKETMAN
02-08-2004, 10:18 PM
So what other evidence do u have that the M5 "handles" better?

mkgino
02-08-2004, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by ROCKETMAN
So what other evidence do u have that the M5 "handles" better? from the video Im asking someone to post genious

ROCKETMAN
02-08-2004, 10:21 PM
what in the video. They do laps?
I have here speed through 700foot slalom 66.5, 66.4 mph, in favour of the audi

ps. its spelled genius

mkgino
02-08-2004, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by ROCKETMAN
what in the video. They do laps? Everything, straight line acceleration, braking, laps around a track etc

Gamite
02-08-2004, 10:24 PM
MKgino's right. The vid was posted a few months ago.

ROCKETMAN
02-08-2004, 10:30 PM
Your on crack kid. You cant measure handling by only looking at G's on the skidpad

I know that. M3 has better numbers, but still does slower laps than S4

Gamite
02-08-2004, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by ROCKETMAN
I know that. M3 has better numbers, but still does slower laps than S4

so, u'r contradicting yourself.

ROCKETMAN
02-08-2004, 10:36 PM
lol, i know it sounds like it, but no.
i was just proving that the M5 isnt quicker than the RS6

mkgino
02-08-2004, 10:37 PM
Yup, your right rocketman.

SickFinga
02-08-2004, 11:42 PM
On RS6 forum there was a video of RS6 vs M5.
From stand still and from rolling. M5 took it.

Also Vlad posted a video of M5 vs RS6 vs E55. M5 was faster than RS6 and stopped quicker than RS6.
I will try to dig that video.
It was in German, but someone translated it.

mkgino
02-08-2004, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
On RS6 forum there was a video of RS6 vs M5.
From stand still and from rolling. M5 took it.

Also Vlad posted a video of M5 vs RS6 vs E55. M5 was faster than RS6 and stopped quicker than RS6.
I will try to dig that video.
It was in German, but someone translated it. No no, but rocketman is right, he posted skidpad numbers.

bmwm5lover
02-09-2004, 12:14 AM
M5 PWNES everyone... thats it...

crazyvadim
02-09-2004, 03:45 AM
Im just gonna come in and say i was neck to neck with my buddies E55 0-100mph believe it or not and i handed him his ass in the twisties.I have yet to come across a RS6......hopefully i do before the car is gone,i predict its gonna take me on the jump but il catch up later on.

E4SIXM3
02-09-2004, 04:49 AM
so tell me something why the hell are they making a CL65 and SL65? isn't the 55 and 600 good enough? geez

Quack
02-09-2004, 04:52 AM
to some people it's never good enough, everyone needs at least 800hp, you and I know that :D

AMG_POWER
02-09-2004, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by crazyvadim
Im just gonna come in and say i was neck to neck with my buddies E55 0-100mph believe it or not and i handed him his ass in the twisties.I have yet to come across a RS6......hopefully i do before the car is gone,i predict its gonna take me on the jump but il catch up later on.

are you sure you are talking about new e55?

ROCKETMAN
02-09-2004, 05:27 AM
No no, but rocketman is right, he posted skidpad numbers.

Just shut the **** up. I posted all the stats.

mkgino
02-09-2004, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by ROCKETMAN
Just shut the **** up. I posted all the stats. Yup, your right.

ROCKETMAN
02-09-2004, 05:30 AM
*th-up* wow cool guy

mkgino
02-09-2004, 05:32 AM
Nah, not as cool as ROCKETMAAAN!! lmao


PS, everything you said is right

ROCKETMAN
02-09-2004, 05:36 AM
whatever man. This is a thread about something else. Go be stupid elseware

mkgino
02-09-2004, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by ROCKETMAN
whatever man. This is a thread about something else. Go be stupid elseware And you keep quoting your magazine numbers that mean nothing in the real world.

w0w, for a person with no car, you seem to be quite the expert.

blackshark
02-09-2004, 06:11 AM
bmw must come up with some crazy shit against audi.

ROCKETMAN
02-09-2004, 06:13 AM
w0w, for a person with no car, you seem to be quite the expert.

How does me having or not having a car have anything to do with how much i know about them??????

crazyvadim
02-09-2004, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by AMG_POWER
are you sure you are talking about new e55?

Positive.
It got a good jump on me from the light but then i started catching up at 60 and was side by side with him at 100.Different kind of magazines have the E55 at different 0-60 times,i think in autoweek they had it at 4.6 seconds.

Mitch555
02-09-2004, 08:01 AM
So the Lambo engine has to be tuned up every what? 5 times you go around the block? :D

crazyvadim
02-09-2004, 08:26 AM
AMG,are you on the m5board?? cause theres the same exact thread on the m5board in the E60 M5 section.

EMPOWERD
02-09-2004, 12:32 PM
Vlad, you're always so concerned about just pure numbers. There's more to a car than just 0-60 & 1/4 mile stats. Things that Audi will never come close to BMW with, like RESALE VALUE, steering response, safety, handling dynamics, reliability etc... Look at the whole picture. Maybe you should just buy a '91 Mustang 5.0L to satisfy your stop light to stop light expectations.

Betray
02-09-2004, 04:18 PM
randy is right

why the hell would you want a STI? man your bigger then me in size, and i wouldnt fit in that car! its like a clown comming out from from those circus cars... pssh no thanks! ml55 isssss way better then a sti.

as for m5/a6/e55
m5 for looks and overa
a6 if it has v10(lambo), wow mighty impressive
e55 nice nice but only if i had a extra few bucks to impress people

BLAGUSS
02-09-2004, 05:54 PM
You can never resale Audi as BMW . Here Bmw and Mercedes rule and people dont know too much about audi. To me audi was always top of line what VW had offered.

BLAGUSS
02-09-2004, 05:58 PM
How tlaseva's wife said BMW is BMW. E30 325i go for about $4000 to $6000 what about Audi from late 80s or early 90s?
One more thing when mkgino said 3.0 audi A4 versus 330i hahah that said it all.I would never buy audi over BMW.

AMG_POWER
02-09-2004, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by crazyvadim
AMG,are you on the m5board?? cause theres the same exact thread on the m5board in the E60 M5 section.

Nah i just took the post from there:D *th-up*

ROCKETMAN
02-09-2004, 06:37 PM
I would never buy audi over BMW.

obviously. ure a bmw fan on a bmw forum.lol

ROCKETMAN
02-09-2004, 06:38 PM
e55 nice nice but only if i had a extra few bucks to impress people

RS6 costs more.

ROCKETMAN
02-09-2004, 06:39 PM
So the Lambo engine has to be tuned up every what? 5 times you go around the block?

That used to be the old ones. Not when Audi took over.

ROCKETMAN
02-09-2004, 06:43 PM
Audi will never come close to BMW with, like RESALE VALUE, steering response, safety, handling dynamics, reliability etc... Look at the whole picture. Maybe you should just buy a '91 Mustang 5.0L to satisfy your stop light to stop light expectations.

a 5.0L mustang. As in thats what the curent Audi's are about??
u got thatone way wrong. There's much much more to audi than that.

Mystikal
02-09-2004, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by ROCKETMAN
a 5.0L mustang. As in thats what the curent Audi's are about??
u got thatone way wrong. There's much much more to audi than that.

Man, you are dim. He was clearly speaking to Vlad, and telling him that he is too concerned with acceleration times. His Mustang comment had nothing to do with Audi at all.

A~G
02-10-2004, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by ROCKETMAN
a 5.0L mustang. As in thats what the curent Audi's are about??
u got thatone way wrong. There's much much more to audi than that.


Yeahman... i haven't posted yet... i've been reading through the whole 4 pages... seems that u don't know how NOT to take Mk Gino's comments to heart. He's a joker... + he's right most of the time.

+ Randy wasn't comparing Mustangs : Audi performance... dude... rather than look for any reason to argue.. read the posts before u post anything.




In reference to the whole dispute... I love both BMW's and AUDI's alike... HERE ARE MY PICKS...:)

1) BMW M5 ... seems to be the best overall car

2) AUDI SR6 ... seems to be a close contender...

3) E55 ... i'm really REALLY starting to like the new
Mercedes... pretty good considering i've always
hated the cars they put out.
4) JAGUAR TYPE R ... REALLY UGLY. though still powerful

M3ti Compact
02-10-2004, 04:01 AM
Even if the Audi and the Mercedes might be faster- which I don't think they will be, BMW will still be at the top for it's behind the wheel enjoyment.

For the true enthusiast- the lack of a manual transmission is a serious turnoff.

It's almost the same as getting a car in which there is no traction control off button.

Quack
02-10-2004, 04:04 AM
I thought the E60 M5 was SMG? no stick

crazyvadim
02-10-2004, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by Quack
I thought the E60 M5 was SMG? no stick

I would guess they would have 2 options,SMG or a 6 speed.
No 6 speed = *uzi* someone

Mystikal
02-10-2004, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Quack
I thought the E60 M5 was SMG? no stick

Nah, they're offering both. They haven't sold out completely - yet. :D

BladeRunner
02-11-2004, 12:33 AM
i'd shoot...if they made bmw with not manual opition. where the hell is bmw going with the decisions it's making lately?

crazyvadim
02-11-2004, 03:05 AM
BMW without manual tranny as standard is basically a Benz.If that happens then Benz will be getting my money cause so far Benz is owning the market with their designs and engines.

Quack
02-11-2004, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by crazyvadim
BMW without manual tranny as standard is basically a Benz.If that happens then Benz will be getting my money cause so far Benz is owning the market with their designs and engines.

kinda true, but even if BMW only had auto, I will still pick BMW over Benz, BMW handling is better than any benz, the sensation in any AMG car is amazing, but still feels to soft & loose,

bmwm5lover
02-11-2004, 03:22 AM
you people are getting on my nerves~! STOP BASHING BMW's new designs! They are incredible! They are forms of art, and i can gurantee you they look good now, and will look good in 10 years...
stop living in the past, and move towards the future!Boxy xcars are good for the most part, but BMW combines boxiness with agility, and curves!

Marecar
02-12-2004, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by EMPOWERD
Vlad, you're always so concerned about just pure numbers. There's more to a car than just 0-60 & 1/4 mile stats. Things that Audi will never come close to BMW with, like RESALE VALUE, steering response, safety, handling dynamics, reliability etc... Look at the whole picture. Maybe you should just buy a '91 Mustang 5.0L to satisfy your stop light to stop light expectations.

I compleetly agree
Im not saying Audi or M.B are bad or suck, I just love BMW too much, thats it. *wave*

BLAGUSS
02-12-2004, 02:35 AM
empowered said it all right!

Lennon
02-12-2004, 02:59 AM
What about the handling between that Audi he's talking about to the M5, if the Audi is going to be all wheel drive........wouldn't it handle better?
Not neccesarily, I think the M5 with all the electronic components in it will definatly give it a ride for the money....... Audi won't know what hit them, M5 all the way.