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tlaselva
02-07-2004, 06:14 AM
I was concerned that BMW's sales were going to take a hit with the 'Banglized' styling over the past year or so.

Guess it could also have something to do with some stiff competition BMW's facing from the likes of Merc, and Infinity.

SickFinga
02-07-2004, 06:27 AM
i dont understand how this works.

Year to Date and just one month is the same. WTF.

and it was reported that BMW had the most sale in 2003 for the last 5 years.

crazyvadim
02-07-2004, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by tlaselva
I was concerned that BMW's sales were going to take a hit with the 'Banglized' styling over the past year or so.

Guess it could also have something to do with some stiff competition BMW's facing from the likes of Merc, and Infinity.

IMO,BMW is dominating Mercedes and the new 5 series will hurt BMW sales.I also dont understand how that chart works.....

M3ti Compact
02-07-2004, 02:44 PM
It's a recession. According to my dad, who works at DVNT Toyota, After Sep 11, 01, no one wanted to travel, so they got cars instead, so 01, 02 and little of 03 were hot years for car sales. Now, since everyone is in brand spanking new cars, they will not be in the market for another year or so. Or if you are like me, who generally keeps the car until it dies, we won't be in the market until 2007 or so.

Bangle's designs have grown on me. The BM's design is very contemporary and up to date. You see how a 1990 car looks outdated in 2000? But a 1995 (like the e36) still looks half decent today, even when approaching it's 10th birthday? I think the BM's designs will have a "half decent looking" life for more than 15 years, since the design is so ahead of the time.

Simby
02-07-2004, 04:06 PM
The new 5 series will help BMW sales IMO. It's a nice new look. But interestingly enough, I haven't seen anyone drive one here in Edmonton yet. They are expensive.

tlaselva
02-07-2004, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Simby
The new 5 series will help BMW sales IMO. It's a nice new look. But interestingly enough, I haven't seen anyone drive one here in Edmonton yet. They are expensive.

I still hold the position that the new 5 series won't sell as well as the older E39's.
Guess time will tell.

BladeRunner
02-07-2004, 09:43 PM
Yeah the design is ahead of its time and that the problem. People are afraid of change reasons why:
1. Uncertainty, fear of what the future will bring.
2. He/she embraces traditional ways and not modern ways.
3. Some people just don't like change.

I don't really understand the chart either, but it could be what that person said about band economy. BMW is getting good competition from Audi and Volkswagon -- the detunned Audi too, correct?

ROCKETMAN
02-07-2004, 11:13 PM
Audi yes, VW no. I dont see which VW is in the same market as a BMW. (except the Tourag)

BMWF1
02-08-2004, 12:24 AM
what i wanna know is who is bmw selling these Z8's to, i see none ever??

SickFinga
02-08-2004, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by ROCKETMAN
Audi yes, VW no. I dont see which VW is in the same market as a BMW. (except the Tourag)

Phaeton, Passat W8

BladeRunner
02-08-2004, 01:58 AM
I wonder the same thing about the z8, x3. I've seen few z4s but many z3s. same goes for the m roadster.

King Luis
02-08-2004, 04:34 AM
i think bmw's are getting too expensive. they don't have cars targeting the younger people with a car the is in the $20,000 range

crazyvadim
02-08-2004, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by tlaselva
I still hold the position that the new 5 series won't sell as well as the older E39's.
Guess time will tell.

I agree,i think the new 5 will hurt BMW.

bimmerdude
02-08-2004, 11:34 AM
Eh i guess it will take time to accept the new 5er some people like it and others dont, thats just personal taste. but eventually i feel people will learn to like it and accept the new 5er

oh and btw e39 5er i also think is hotter lol

MorningCruiser
02-08-2004, 02:13 PM
I've seen one new 5er in all of Calgary, even after driving around downtown during rush-hour 5 times recently, so...

I agree about BMWs costing way too much for what you get, unless you don't really mind the fact that you're paying for the fact that it's a european car.

Most people are gonna jump on me and say they are priced accordingly, but I'm sorry $60,000 for a mid range 6 cyl sedan is a bit ridiculous... Especially in Alberta where we all drive trucks because we all USE THEM. Seriously, I'd love to have an E46 daily driver in my garage, but for the silly amounts of money they want for a 330? Never as a new car will one reside in my garage.

*just waits for someone to try to justify the extremely expensive cost of BMW sedans*....

The fact is we pay some $20,000 for the BMW roundel... In a 330 that is, as you get higher up the ranks, you pay more and more for it.

SpudBoy
02-08-2004, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by MorningCruiser

The fact is we pay some $20,000 for the BMW roundel... In a 330 that is, as you get higher up the ranks, you pay more and more for it.

it's more like $8000 for the superior suspension and smooth engine (amoung other things).

FastM3
02-08-2004, 04:53 PM
I've seen more indepth reports, and trust me, their sales aren't declining.

Justin e36
02-08-2004, 08:36 PM
it's not about how many cars are sold.. it sabout the $ margin. The numbers you want to look at are the BMW Group... (not BMW Brand).

With that said, SickFinga can be right. These numbers are only going back 3 years. (01 to 02... 02 to 03... and 03 to 04)...

as you'll see the 02 to 03 year had the highest sales.
and the past year was still high compared to 2 years ago.

However to analyze marketing trends you need AT LEAST the past 10 years to analyze, and to couple that with other factors such as manufacturing costs, profit margin, and economy.

Mystikal
02-08-2004, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
Year to Date and just one month is the same. WTF.

Maybe because only 1 month has passed. :idea:

bmwm5lover
02-09-2004, 12:19 AM
Hmmmm, this cant be right... i remember i read that the new 7er sold better than the older 7er, and was produced in more numbers.... Im pretty sure that BMW is doing well, REALLY well....Ive seen a quite a few of their new 5ers on the road, and man let me tell you, its amazing..... And justin is right, u need th elast 10+ years to analyze it properly....ahhhh good old business 101

Simby
02-09-2004, 01:35 AM
I don't think BMW should make any cars for $20,000. It cheapens the brand. When you say you drive a BMW now, people know it's expensive and its prestigious. If BMW's were as common as Civics, what's the fun?

BladeRunner
02-11-2004, 12:26 AM
Simby i said the same thing a thread about Bangle a month or so ago.

MorningCruiser
02-11-2004, 04:23 AM
Spudboy, I'm sorry, upward of $60,000 for a normal coupe is a lot more than $8000 higher than any competing cars...

addbhp
02-11-2004, 12:25 PM
I'd tend to agree that I would expect BMW to start hurting in sales soon for a number of reasons:

1) The designs are no longer instantly attractive, more of an acquired taste, if at all.
2) The quality of materials on the interiors seems to have dropped off from the early 2000's. Particularily on the 5 series. NO way this car will sell the numbers of the previous version.
3) The are getting more and more expensive. Look at a new 330 or 540. I know image is important, but not when all the other noted factors are thought about.
4) Yes the business is about margins, but think about all the recent factor retooling cost that have to be accounted for. And Cars like the 6 series and the Z8 are very low production cars.
5) I think they have grown too fast, and the lineup of products is starting to get confusing for traditional BMW supporters: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,Z4,Z8,X3,X5 series?? Old represent this, even represent that?
What is the purpose of the X3, no more space than the 330 wagon, and big $, much better vehicles out there.
6) The Z4 numbers must be way down vs the Z3, how many have you actually seen on the road.
7) The 7 series already need redesigning. And is getting a facelift shortly.
8) Even their F1 car looks ugly now.
Okay I may have gotten off topic, and this is a huge rant on BMW now, too bad, as I still love my E30.

MorningCruiser
02-11-2004, 05:50 PM
Like I said, we shouldn't be paying $20,000 more because it's a BMW.

Honestly, it's a prestigious car, but it's NOT a mercedes... And even then, Mercedes are about the same for paying $$$ for.

Honestly, the 330 is stupid expensive, and not to be rude, but the M3 is the same way. Yes it's a "luxury sportscar" but I still think it's stupid expensive. This is probably why I'm still E30 hunting, beautiful car... The E36s are beautiful too, but the E46 and even the new 5 series are HUGELY "aquired tastes" as addbhp stated...

It'd been a long time since I saw the first photo of the new 5er, just now after seeing one in person numerous times am I actually starting to like the look...