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mkgino
11-11-2003, 03:39 AM
Ok, I want a new digicam since my panasonic "shit-pics" camera isnt cutting it anymore. Here is what it must be able to do:

-have good resolution pictures for a change, probably something of higher quality or around 1024 X 768

-needs to be able to set exposure settings, so I can take some good night pictures

-good quality video clips, but not ones that cut out after like 30 secs (but I am flexible)

Anyone know what some good cameras are? If anyone has a camera they own, for around that price, can u guys put up some pics so I can see the resolution. Thank you

WhadUpp
11-11-2003, 03:57 AM
look for a used Olympus c-720 that has 3 megapixels, 8xzoom and glass lens along with all the manual settings you would want. It also has ISO settings of up to 400 to help you with those night shots. It might cost you about 250 - 300 used but it will be worth it. Try dpreview forums for some fire sales or check out some places like Just Cameras near Dundas/Dixie for used stuff.

Good luck

BTW, you're too easy too please if you just want 1024 x 768 res.
you need to go much higher and the 720 will do that at 1984x1488

mkgino
11-11-2003, 04:04 AM
ok, I have never heard of the olympus. Here are some of the cameras that I am considering:

Nikon Coolpix 3100
Canon Powershot A60 or A70
hewlett packard 735

I am leaning towards the Canon, since I they know how to make a good digicam. Only thing I dont like about these ones is that they run on damn regular batteries rather than a rechargable battery.

WhadUpp, do you have some sample photos from the Olympus? Can you post up a high resolution pic, and also a vid if u have one too? Thanks man

mkgino
11-11-2003, 04:23 AM
Ok, I am really leaning towards the Canon A70 now, here is a picture

Gamite
11-11-2003, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
ok, I have never heard of the olympus. Here are some of the cameras that I am considering:

Nikon Coolpix 3100
Canon Powershot A60 or A70
hewlett packard 735

I am leaning towards the Canon, since I they know how to make a good digicam. Only thing I dont like about these ones is that they run on damn regular batteries rather than a rechargable battery.

WhadUpp, do you have some sample photos from the Olympus? Can you post up a high resolution pic, and also a vid if u have one too? Thanks man

Out of those choices, I'd definately pic the A70, there's a canon A80 comming out soon (4MP) u might wanna wati for that.

mkgino
11-11-2003, 04:26 AM
Originally posted by Gamite
Out of those choices, I'd definately pic the A70, there's a canon A80 comming out soon (4MP) u might wanna wati for that. I think it would be too expenisve though. I would like to see a night picture with the canon, I am almost positive that it should have an exposure setting. How is the vid quality, anyone know?

mkgino
11-11-2003, 04:30 AM
how long do the 4 AA Alkaline Batteries usually last for on average? How much do they cost also?

mkgino
11-11-2003, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by WhadUpp
... not sure but a set of 4 alkaline are about 4 or 5 bucks

I cant seem tp get my pics on here:mad: mkgino maybe you can help me here. the pic i wanted to post was 8 kb so it doesnt fit, i think its too big and not sure how to resize it Ya, just send them to mkgino@yahoo.com. I would still like to see them.

Now I think I am going to go with the Canon, because it seems like the best camera for its price. I didnt want to spend $240 for another camera, but damn, my B-day is coming up and I deserve it :)

Oh, and I was reading a review for the Canon A70 and saw this pic showing its LCD Display, *th-up*

WhadUpp
11-11-2003, 05:14 AM
check for them now in ur yahoo, let me know if you got them

WhadUpp
11-11-2003, 05:27 AM
The Canon is also nice, u cant go wrong with that choice, and u should get what u want on your b-day*par-t*

mkgino
11-11-2003, 05:37 AM
Ok Whaddup I just got the pic, damn that is nice quality also. It is about the same price as the Canon too. I guess I cant go wrong with either choice. Thanks for your help

Miguel
11-11-2003, 02:27 PM
The canon A70 has a reputation as being the best bang for the buck camera around. You can Ebay it or buy it from Amazon.com (free shipping, and use a $50 of $300 coupon, brings the price to $250Usd = $329 Cdn.)

Or for a bit more you can get the Canon PowerShot S50 for CAD$587.26 at eCOST.com

Bill Gates
11-11-2003, 03:33 PM
mk,

Olympus makes very good digi cams. however, the 720 or 7xx Series WhadUpp mentioned is probably over your budget. maybe used like he suggested.

a new digi cam in your price range i would recommend would be the A70 hands down.
every review i've read (within the same class) always puts the A70 on top.

mkgino
11-11-2003, 05:10 PM
Well I kinda want to get a camera from a store that I can return it to if something goes wrong.

Now I can get the A70 From Best Buy for about $299 usd (we have no tax in MA), but that is $100 over my price range. Then like $50 for the damn rechargable batteries with charger, another $50 for a memory card and Im up to $400. Damn!!

So I was thinking to just get the A60, the quality is more than I would ever need I think. ITs about $229 and ALL the options are exactly the same as the 3.2 MP, except it takes the max pics it can take are like 1600 X 1200, rather than the A70 that can take 2048 X 1536.

Now both sizes are HUGE, way larger than I would ever need. All the other options are basically identical give or take. What would u guys do? Can you justify the extra $$70-100 for just an extra pic level that I probably wont use anyway??


The only real reason that I would get the A70 would be more for the video feature. It has a max quality of 640 X480, whereas the A60 was only 320 X 240.

koncise
11-11-2003, 05:14 PM
If thats really the only difference, then I'd just go with the A60 if I was in your position.... I almost never set my camera to 2048 X 1536.... usually have it at 1600 X 1200

mkgino
11-11-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by koncise
If thats really the only difference, then I'd just go with the A60 if I was in your position.... I almost never set my camera to 2048 X 1536.... usually have it at 1600 X 1200 Ya, thats what Im saying.

Only problem is that I dont want to regret it later, by not spending the extra bit and getting the better camera. The only real reason is the video, I definately could see myself using the 640 X 480 quality video, rather than only 320 X 240.

Will I regret the A60?????????????????

mkgino
11-11-2003, 10:11 PM
Wow, I am still researching the cameras, and now I am looking at the Canon Powershot A300. It is basically the same camera as the A70 with features and options, but is $100 cheaper. And it looks better IMO.

koncise
11-11-2003, 10:28 PM
I wouldnt let the video modes be a big factor. Most record at 15 FPS, and although its not that bad... I wouldnt let it effect witch camera you buy. And again, in video mode I usually set it to 320x240.. cuz I find that at 640x480 the video looks choppier, even though they're both 15 FPS.. just seems that way.

mkgino
11-12-2003, 12:47 AM
Update:

Canon A300 sucks - no optical zoom (boo!)
Canon A70 - great camera, but ugly IMO (boo!)

Canon SD100 - Pimp!

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 01:24 AM
mk,

if u want to choose between the SD100 and A70, i'd say it depends what your looking for. if its size, then the SD100 is best.

also:

SD100 is 2x Optical Zoom
A70 is 3x Optical Zoom
(don't worry about digital Zoom, it's useless) unless u want pixelated pics.

SD100: has no Manual Focus
A70: does

SD100: proprietary battery (expensive)
A70: (4 x AA) easier to come by

SD100: cannot accept Wide/Tele Lens
A70: optional

Recording Media
SD100: SD, 256 @ $114
A70: CF (Compact Flash), 256 @ $85

Aperature Range
SD100: f/2.8-3.9
A70: f/2.8-4.9

Since the A70 has a smaller aperature of 4.9 (smaller is the higher number) means it will allow you to use a slow shutter speed on a bright sunny day. slow shutter speed allows you to depict motion.

Another advantage of the 4.9 vs 3.9 is the increased DOF (depth-of-field). it will allow you to take landscape pictures where the foreground and background will be more in focus.

The only advantage the SD100 has is its portable size. other than that, i would lean towards the A70.

the A70 may seem ugly, but i've held it and its very comfortable to hold. feels like a camera. the battery holder that forms the mold gives your hand a nice place to grip.

hope this helps....

mkgino
11-12-2003, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Bill Gates
mk,

if u want to choose between the SD100 and A70, i'd say it depends what your looking for. if its size, then the SD100 is best.

also:

SD100 is 2x Optical Zoom
A70 is 3x Optical Zoom
(don't worry about digital Zoom, it's useless) unless u want pixelated pics.

SD100: has no Manual Focus
A70: does

SD100: proprietary battery (expensive)
A70: (4 x AA) easier to come by

SD100: cannot accept Wide/Tele Lens
A70: optional

Recording Media
SD100: SD, 256 @ $114
A70: CF (Compact Flash), 256 @ $85

Aperature Range
SD100: f/2.8-3.9
A70: f/2.8-4.9

Since the A70 has a smaller aperature of 4.9 (smaller is the higher number) means it will allow you to use a slow shutter speed on a bright sunny day. slow shutter speed allows you to depict motion.

Another advantage of the 4.9 vs 3.9 is the increased DOF (depth-of-field). it will allow you to take landscape pictures where the foreground and background will be more in focus.

The only advantage the SD100 has is its portable size. other than that, i would lean towards the A70.

the A70 may seem ugly, but i've held it and its very comfortable to hold. feels like a camera. the battery holder that forms the mold gives your hand a nice place to grip.

hope this helps....
Thanks for this write up. Now, are these differences very significant? I mean, I am going to be using this camera for pics/vids of my car and for pictures of family and friends. Im not really an expert and so these differences may not be that significant for me.

The reason I am leaning towards the SD100, because of the SD cards (I already have one at home from my old digicam), and I would rather have a rechargable battery, than rechargable AA batteries that I would have to buy.

I know someone who has the S230 (basically same as the SD100) and he said it was a great camera, except for the zoom. But that is the only thing he complained about.

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
Now, are these differences very significant? I mean, I am going to be using this camera for pics/vids of my car and for pictures of family and friends. Im not really an expert and so these differences may not be that significant for me.

The reason I am leaning towards the SD100, because of the SD cards (I already have one at home from my old digicam),

and I would rather have a rechargable battery, than rechargable AA batteries that I would have to buy.



the extra 1x and smaller aperature. i'd say these will come in handy, beginner or intermediate.

just how big is the SD? these days, i wouldn't get anything lower than 128mb. Compact Flash has become the clear winner in the media war. if you invest in CF now, you'll have more compatiblity with the CF than the SD. in the long run, you'll save alot more $$ going with Compact Flash.

trust me, your going to want a second battery. a second battery from Canon will cost about $70. you can pick up a quick charger w/ 2000mah batteries for about $55. then additional batteries are only $24 for 4 AA NiMH.

koncise
11-12-2003, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by mkgino

I know someone who has the S230 (basically same as the SD100) and he said it was a great camera, except for the zoom. But that is the only thing he complained about.

I guess I should add that that's the camera I have (S230)... same complaint as your friend. Otherwise its great, and I love how small it is. I'm still trying to learn how to take good night shots though.

mkgino
11-12-2003, 02:06 AM
Crap, everytime I think I am set on the camera I want, I get all confused again. Right now its between the A70, SD100/S230. Make up my mind for me guys.

Koncise, can u show me some night shots with the S230? I would like to see some.

mkgino
11-12-2003, 02:19 AM
Here are the prices for each Camera in usd:

Canon A70:
Camera $274
128 MB $50
64mb $40
Rechargable batteries and charger $50

Total: $414

Canon SD100:
Camera $310 + Free 64 Mb card (promotion)
Free 128mb card (that I had from before)

Total = $310

Now this would give me the same memory and chargability for each camera. But does the 1X extra zoom, and the extra DOF equal to an extra $104?

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 02:27 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
Here are the prices for each Camera in usd:

Canon A70:
Camera $274
128 MB $50
64mb $40
Rechargable batteries and charger $50

Total: $414

Canon SD100:
Camera $310 + Free 64 Mb card (promotion)
Free 128mb card (that I had from before)

Total = $310

Now this would give me the same memory and chargability for each camera. But does the 1X extra zoom, and the extra DOF equal to an extra $104?

you would need to add another battery on the SD100 to balance it out.

mkgino
11-12-2003, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by Bill Gates
you would need to add another battery on the SD100 to balance it out. How come? Do the 4 AA rechargables last longer? (ie lifetime wise)

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
How come? Do the 4 AA rechargables last longer? (ie lifetime wise)

actually the propriety battery will last alot longer. however, your pricing both cams with 2 sets of batteries each right?

each cam should include 1 battery.

koncise
11-12-2003, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
Koncise, can u show me some night shots with the S230? I would like to see some.

here are some of my better night shots... keep in mind though, this is just using the default camera settings with no flash. I just now learned about the exposure settings and crap, so when I get the camera back in 2 weeks (its w/ parents in germany) I'm gonna try some new night shots... hopefully with better results.

sorry, you have to copy/paste the links into address bar

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1237.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1242.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1246.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1251.jpg

mkgino
11-12-2003, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Bill Gates
actually the propriety battery will last alot longer. however, your pricing both cams with 2 sets of batteries each right?

each cam should include 1 battery. Just one set for each. The A70 comes with just the regular batteries, so need to get a charger + rechargables for it and that is an extra $50.

SD100 comes with the rechargable battery

mkgino
11-12-2003, 02:49 AM
Originally posted by koncise
here are some of my better night shots... keep in mind though, this is just using the default camera settings with no flash. I just now learned about the exposure settings and crap, so when I get the camera back in 2 weeks (its w/ parents in germany) I'm gonna try some new night shots... hopefully with better results.

sorry, you have to copy/paste the links into address bar

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1237.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1242.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1246.jpg

http://www25.brinkster.com/koncise/IMG_1251.jpg
Thanks, they look good.

But they do look kinda blurry, could that be from moving the camera while you take a pic? Or is that just the best pic the camera can take?

koncise
11-12-2003, 02:51 AM
probably me shaking... it was cold that night :)

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 02:53 AM
A70 Shooting modes include:

Auto
Program AE
Shutter priority AE
Aperture priority AE
Manual
Portrait
Landscape
Night Scene
Fast Shutter
Slow Shutter
Stitch Asssist
Movie (with sound)

SD100 Shooting modes
Auto
Manual
Stitch Asssist
Movie (with sound)

A70 has alot more shooting settings which makes it more user friendly to take good quality pics, without the guess work. *th-up*

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by koncise
probably me shaking... it was cold that night :)

regardless of what camera, the best results to achieve best quality night shots is using a tripod along with a remote or using the timer. pretty good shots however without a tripod. *th-up*

mkgino
11-12-2003, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by Bill Gates
A70 Shooting modes include:

Auto
Program AE
Shutter priority AE
Aperture priority AE
Manual
Portrait
Landscape
Night Scene
Fast Shutter
Slow Shutter
Stitch Asssist
Movie (with sound)

SD100 Shooting modes
Auto
Manual
Stitch Asssist
Movie (with sound)

A70 has alot more shooting settings which makes it more user friendly to take good quality pics, without the guess work. *th-up*

Dammit, why did u have to go on and say that now! lol I had my mind made up too.

what do these ones mean?

Program AE
Shutter priority AE
Aperture priority AE
Portrait
Night Scene
Fast Shutter
Slow Shutter
Stitch Asssist

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
Dammit, why did u have to go on and say that now! lol I had my mind made up too.

what do these ones mean?

Program AE
normal mode, camera figures everything out for you. AE is Auto Lock.
Shutter priority AE
if u want to shoot in Shutter mode, then you choose the shutter speed e.g 1/500 and the camera figures out the rest.
Aperture priority AE
ff u want to shoot in Aperture mode, then you choose the Aperture e.g f4.0 and the camera figures out the rest.
Portrait
close up face shots, with little DOF
Night Scene
sets aperture to lowest 2.8 and probably removes noise, etc... to get the best results in night shots.
Fast Shutter
not sure
Slow Shutter
not sure
Stitch Asssist
panoramic i'm assuming... taking a number of landscape pics and putting them together as one big pic.

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 03:08 AM
and here's a current review with the A70 playing with the big boys that cost more.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,111651,00.asp

mkgino
11-12-2003, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by Bill Gates
and here's a current review with the A70 playing with the big boys that cost more.

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,111651,00.asp

Damn, you make a great argument. I know for sure the A70 is the better camera. You dont have any pics from the camera do you?

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 03:53 AM
mk,

sorry, i don't have any pics myself since i don't own an A70.

However, this forum called PBase is a huge photo gallery site with a ton of beginner to advance photo shots taken from all over the world.

here's a random gallery taken from the A70....

http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/powershot_a70

koncise
11-12-2003, 04:05 AM
had to post this :)

http://www.pbase.com/image/23169368

mkgino
11-12-2003, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by Bill Gates
mk,

sorry, i don't have any pics myself since i don't own an A70.

However, this forum called PBase is a huge photo gallery site with a ton of beginner to advance photo shots taken from all over the world.

here's a random gallery taken from the A70....

http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/powershot_a70 The A70 keeps getting rated worse than the S230, why??

http://forum.pbase.com/viewtopic.php?t=1254&highlight=s230

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 04:10 AM
Originally posted by mkgino
The A70 keeps getting rated worse than the S230, why??

http://forum.pbase.com/viewtopic.php?t=1254&highlight=s230

Those stats are based on camera models and # of pics on pbase.

those aren't ratings of the camera, just statistical data on the forum by model and pics taken.

Bill Gates
11-12-2003, 04:16 AM
mk,

check out these forums for users comments, reviews on the Canon A70.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1010
http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=15

Happy Reading...

mkgino
11-12-2003, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by Bill Gates
mk,

check out these forums for users comments, reviews on the Canon A70.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1010
http://www.stevesforums.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=15

Happy Reading... Alright, thanks for your help!!

I am going to go to walmart and check out the A70 and the SD100 and decide and buy it there. The A70 is better, but the SD100 is cheaper overall. So what I am going to do is see what has the better look and feel and see which one seems easier to use.

Thanks everyone for your help

mkgino
11-24-2003, 01:45 PM
Alright, here is an update.

I went to the mall a while ago and looked at a few cameras. I held the A70 and the SD100 and put them in the pocket of my jeans, and checked the zoom and other options. I decided against the A70 just from feel. I know that it is the better camera, I am not disputing that. But I will sacrifice some functionality for the smaller size. The SD100 fit right into my pocket, and it just felt like a cell phone. I also tried out the zoom on both cameras and the A70 did zoom in more, but it really wasnt a big deal to me.

Now however I have another problem, I have decided to get either the S230 or the SD100. So the A70 is completely out of the picture.

But I have read that there were some problems with the SD100 with respect to some error with using the SD memory. It causes an error in some cameras, and youhave to download some software from canon to fix it or something.

That is why I have looked towards the s230, basically the same cam, with same options except that it uses compact flash memory.

Now here is the pricing:

S230 = $270 usd total from amazon.com
SD100 = $310 usd total from walmart.com

now the advantage that the SD has is that I already have a 128mb card sitting at home and at the $310 it comes with an axtra 64 mB card

the s230 on the other hand doesnt come with the extra memory but it is $40 cheaper, which I could buy more memory with since CF is much cheaper.

Now on the other hand, I would rather order it from walmart online since I can walk into the store if anything goes wrong. what would u guys choose?

Bill Gates
11-25-2003, 02:56 AM
mk, check this out....

http://hardwarecentral.dealtime.com/xPR-Canon_PowerShot_SD100~RD-112491400836

i think it all comes down to preference. both are very simlar. one has sound the other doesn't. as for media, the CF is a clear winner and will continue to get cheaper. i bought a Sandisk 256 CF from Cosco about a month ago for $63 cdn... can't beat that.

on the other hand, if you already have SD, then its a toss up.

WASABI
12-19-2003, 12:18 AM
So what did you buy ? I'm curious, I want to upgrade mine, also thinking of the SD100 or A70 (same price).

Miguel
12-22-2003, 07:51 PM
OK, I just ordered the Canon Powershot A300 from Staples.

I called 1-877-360-8500 and spoke with Laurie the service rep at extension 1458

I ordered:

Item No. 511230: Canon Powershot A300
Delivery: next day free shipping
Price Subtotal: $279.85

Item No. 11266: QUARTET - Bulletin Board, 18" x 24"
Delivery: next day free shipping
Price Subtotal: $22.55 *you can add ANY product as long as it is above $21*

Subtotal: $302.37
coupon codes: 68551 takes $40 off purchases of $200 or more. and Coupon code 69179 takes $30 off purchases of $100 or more.
Final Total after tax: $267.23

The reason I posted all this info is because Staples employees arent supposed to allow you to use more than 1 coupon so if you guys want to score in on a quick deal.. call THIS employee!!!:D *th-up*

Just to compare, this camera ALONE sells for $273.99 @ Tigerdirect and $263 @ Canadacomputers.... those prices are BEFORE tax!

Bill Gates
12-22-2003, 07:53 PM
wow, stacking coupons... i hear it seldom works, but good find! congrats on the deal! i'd be all over this if i needed a point and shoot digi cam. *th-up*