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d12
09-10-2003, 03:28 PM
Hi

I'm wondering what's better to get 2000 328ci or 2001 325ci ? which one is faster since one got 195hp and the other 184hp but newer ? how are engines on 328ci's, more reliable then 325ci or the other way around ? which one overall is a better package since the price on them pretty much same..

Thanks... :)

Mitch555
09-10-2003, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by d12
Hi

I'm wondering what's better to get 2000 328ci or 2001 325ci ? which one is faster since one got 195hp and the other 184hp but newer ? how are engines on 328ci's, more reliable then 325ci or the other way around ? which one overall is a better package since the price on them pretty much same..

Thanks... :)

Just see which one is in better condition, even though they are basically new cars but I'm sure one will be in better condition than the other. Itz only 11 HP different, no big deal. Also, I'm sure that both engines are very good! Just choose whatever you feel is what you need for daily driving. Good luck with your selection! *th-up*

d12
09-10-2003, 04:05 PM
but i heard in 328ci there is single VANOS, in 325ci i think it's DOUBLE VANOS, I wonder is it true and if yes then how is double better then single, it's faster or something ?

d12
09-10-2003, 11:37 PM
anyone else got any input on this issue ? :rolleyes:

mkgino
09-10-2003, 11:49 PM
I think the 328 ci should have 190 hp if Im not mistaken, but it has about 30 more torque than the 325 and that is what makes the difference.
Both have double vanos. So just look for the one that is in better condition

Miguel
09-10-2003, 11:56 PM
I think that if you want the 20001 BMW 330CI you might have to wait a while... like 17,998 years.

*you know SOMEBODY had to make a crack about that!*shiner*

sonic07
09-11-2003, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Miguel
I think that if you want the 20001 BMW 330CI you might have to wait a while... like 17,998 years.

*you know SOMEBODY had to make a crack about that!*shiner*

LOL ... miquel notice everything ...
by then 325ci will flying on the air with super sonic speed and the cost will be trillions ....

Trogdor
09-11-2003, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by d12
but i heard in 328ci there is single VANOS, in 325ci i think it's DOUBLE VANOS, I wonder is it true and if yes then how is double better then single, it's faster or something ?

I thought it had more to do with fuel efficiency.

dtthiaga
09-11-2003, 12:40 PM
I had a loaner 1999 328i 5spd for a few days ( I have a 2002 325i 5spd) and the newer 325i motor is smoother. The 1999 is still very smooth, but when comparing the two engines, the 02 325i engine is nicer.

I didn’t notice too much difference in power. In fact, the 325i felt stronger. I did not time anything, and I wasn’t driving the loaner hard so I can’t say which is faster for sure. The 325i feels faster, but I don’t have any real proof of that.

Does the 2001 325i come standard with Xenon lights???
The 2002 comes with Xenon lights, low and high-beam (Bi-xenon)

Hope it helps.

mkgino
09-11-2003, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by dtthiaga
I had a loaner 1999 328i 5spd for a few days ( I have a 2002 325i 5spd) and the newer 325i motor is smoother. The 1999 is still very smooth, but when comparing the two engines, the 02 325i engine is nicer.

I didn’t notice too much difference in power. In fact, the 325i felt stronger. I did not time anything, and I wasn’t driving the loaner hard so I can’t say which is faster for sure. The 325i feels faster, but I don’t have any real proof of that.

Does the 2001 325i come standard with Xenon lights???
The 2002 comes with Xenon lights, low and high-beam (Bi-xenon)

Hope it helps.

Impossible, you probably drove the loaner on a hot day.:huh?:

330DTM
09-11-2003, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by mkgino
Impossible, you probably drove the loaner on a hot day.:huh?:

Or just that particular day you drove in a position such that you can't really feel that it's quick.

Sometimes my Corolla feels faster than the 850 turbo wagon :D

sonic07
09-11-2003, 01:58 PM
Originally posted by mkgino
Impossible, you probably drove the loaner on a hot day.:huh?:

LOL ... is there 1999 328i which weatherproof ....

d12
09-11-2003, 11:43 PM
so which one is better it terms of reliability, power, best engine ? since 325 it's the first year engine ...:confused:

UncleJ
09-12-2003, 12:48 AM
328 is better.

bimmerchop
09-12-2003, 01:55 AM
the 328 is better, and it does have double vanos. It's faster, not just cuz of the HP difference, but the torque difference. 0-60 is 6.5 as opposed to the 7.2 on the 325. Plus, the major reason y the 325 feels faster, is cuz the 328 has the throttle cable, as opposed to the 325's drive by wire, which makes it harder to push down the gas pedal on the 328. the 325's pedal is more sensitive, making it feel quicker, but in reality, it's not. same thing with the 323, except the 323 is just as fast as the 325. I've raced my friends 325 Ci, and kill him everytime. My friend raced him too in his 323Ci, and they r dead even the whole time.

Peter1998
09-12-2003, 04:29 AM
yah 328 is always better

alexm520
09-13-2003, 04:11 AM
Sorry, there is NO way 325 is faster than 328.... torque numbers are very different (31 pounds difference), and that what drives the acceleration numbers.

I would go with 328Ci since it has more TORQUE than 325 and therefore will give better acceleration. Okay, I am biased, since I had 328Ci 2000 :)

328 has 193hp / 206ft-lb (torque)
325 has 184hp / 175lb/ft (torque)

>>> Besides more power, you need to find out the exact manufacturing date of each car .... especially 2001. Here are details about LOOSE STEERING in 2001 models, read completely .....

Q: What's up with the steering for cars produced between June and December 2000?
A: BMW marketing had feedback that said that their cars took too much effort to turn the wheel in slow speed situations, i.e. parking. BMW modified the steering rack and system to decrease the steering effort. Those owners who have had extensive experience with E36's (previous generation 3 series) or pre June 2000 cars have stated that there was also a resulting loss of road feel through the steering wheel. Many of these board members have dubbed the "new" steering feel equipped cars as the "Ultimate Parking Machine".

Various owners have stated that the only E46's spared this steering boost and loss in road feel are those equipped with the all wheel drive option (i.e. Xi's).

Current rumors state that the steering rack was modified again starting in Jan. 1, 2001 and that the "old" steering was phased in. Some E46s produced between Jan and April may or may not have the "old" steering. If you are unsure, check out post April 2001 cars and compare steering feel. See this post from "Ginger" and Jon S. (http://www.bimmer.org/3series/messages/archive/msgsy2001w08/41754.html) & (http://www.bimmer.org/3series/messages/archive/msgsy2001w10/55279.html). Those with post-April 1, 2001 have stated that the steering feel was indeed not pre-June 2000 feel, but somewhere in between the "new" (June-Dec 2000) and the old (pre-June 2000). The post April 2001 steering has been dubbed as the "new-new" steering. This change was a direct result of feedback through bimmer.org members posting on the E46 board and direct contact with BMW NA. So our voice does count!

So the current terminology is:
"old" feel: pre-June 2000 build
"new" feel: June through December 2000 and some Jan-April 2001
"new-new" feel: post April 2001
"retrofit" feel: early retrofit "pilot" run participants have stated that the retrofit feels somewhere between the "new-new" and the "old" feel.


Q: What is the 'steering retrofit'?
A: In response to consumer feedback, BMW NA initiated a program to satisfy owners of MY2001 E46s who prefer less boost in the power steering system. These owners maintain that a loss of 'feel' was associated with the newer systems which had more boost than MY2000 and earlier E46s. Intitially, BMW NA maintained a list of owners who would be interested in changing their steering racks for systems with less boost. People who have called in to have their name added to a list of persons interested in a retrofit back in Jan/Feb began to be contacted starting the week of April 16, 2001 en masse. BMW NA is going through the list and contacting those with 323/325 and 330's that were produced between June and December 2000, and is offering a one-time free-of-charge changeover to a less boosted steering system.

BMWNA has been very clear on the statements to those contacted. They typically cover the following items:

Steering rack and components will be replaced with pre-June 2000 components at no charge.
You have your choice of BMW centers to install the retrofit.
BMWNA will contact your chose center to give them the details and parts needed for the retrofit. BMWNA requests a couple of days before you try to schedule an appointment with your center.
BMWNA makes it very clear that the retrofit will make steering more difficult at lower speeds.
There has been some confusion as to whether June-Dec 2000 325's and post Jan 2001 cars with "new-new" feel were eligible for the retrofit. Latest news is that the post Jan 325/330's are eligible due to the phase in started in Jan 2001. "New-new" feel cars might be and will be evaluated on a case by case basis according to some sources.


AlexM520
330Ci '03 M-Sport

d12
09-14-2003, 05:52 PM
what about in terms of engine problems, which is a better engine in general ? since 328 been around for a while, but 325 is a new one...

mkgino
09-14-2003, 05:56 PM
Originally posted by d12
what about in terms of engine problems, which is a better engine in general ? since 328 been around for a while, but 325 is a new one...

lol, dude they are almost the same thing. A bmw engine is a tank if maintained properly.

dtthiaga
09-14-2003, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by mkgino
Impossible, you probably drove the loaner on a hot day.:huh?:

I dropped my car off in the morning (8:30 AM), and picked up the loaner right away. We are talking a matter of minutes between the comparisons. I had the option for a 2002 320i or the 1999 328i; I took the 328 because I wanted to see how it drives.

1999 2001
BMW BMW
328i 325i

5-spd Manual 5-sp Manual
Top Speed 143 mph 132 mph

0-30 mph 2.30 s 2.40 s
0-40 mph 3.90 s 3.90 s
0-50 mph 5.30 s 5.40 s
0-60 mph 7.40 s 7.00 s
0-70 mph 9.60 s 9.80 s
0-80 mph 12.10 s 12.50 s
0-90 mph 15.70 s 15.60 s
0-100 mph 19.60 s 20.60 s

1/4 mile) 15.60 s @ 89.7 mph 15.60 s @ 90.3 mph

Sebring
International
Race Circuit 4:06.9 4:13.4
4:00.6 4:06.6


They look pretty similar. To 100KM, the 325i has it by a bit. Past that, the 328i has the advantage.

I'd go with the car that has more standard features. The slightly newer 325i might have lower KM which would be nice as well (20K less if it's average driving).

If it's a Certified Series BMW, you'll have more coverage if it has less KM. The warranty caps out at 120,000 KM.

bimmerchop
09-14-2003, 10:31 PM
0- 60 on a 328 is 6.5 manual, and a 325 is 7.2 manual.

mkgino is right, any bmw engine will last as long as it's maintained

ROBM3
09-14-2003, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by UncleJ
328 is better.

M3 is the best :P

d12
10-22-2003, 06:16 AM
what about problems with the car ? bimmerchop you had any problems with the car ?

Mystikal
10-22-2003, 01:24 PM
Go for the 328i, no question. Do it for the heavier steering alone.

JazzM
10-22-2003, 02:39 PM
328 uses the M52B28TU engine (not the standard M52 2.8 Ltr.). This has the dual VaNoS. You'd be limited in terms of aftermarket upgrades a bit. But otherwise both are great choices. Personally I prefer the 2.8 which uses the same block as the 3.2

Best Regards,

T.

UncleJ
10-22-2003, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by ROBM3
M3 is the best :P

M3 is always the best!

Dahero
10-22-2003, 09:58 PM
328 is better'

Jon@Bimmersport
10-22-2003, 10:11 PM
get the 328...as long as u got PP3 you got as much as the 325i can have..

SpudBoy
10-23-2003, 12:10 AM
new definitions:

Horse Power = Honda Power

Torque = True Power

Jon@Bimmersport
10-23-2003, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by SpudBoy
new definitions:

Horse Power = Honda Power

Torque = True Power

lol i think u need a Z06 man..

HP is a biproduct of torque...plus, its not like u will be on the track a lot where u are at high RPM all the time...you have a 6hp advantage its not much but the torque is..

325i is newer though

SpudBoy
10-23-2003, 12:35 AM
tough choice:)