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phaust
07-04-2003, 02:53 PM
Hi all!

i heard that removing an air-bag in your car is illegal? well someone already being busted for that or?...

i have a momo steering wheel, and of course, momo don't make steering with air bag! hehe:D

well someone can confirm this to me?

Miguel
07-04-2003, 02:55 PM
Yes, removing the steering wheel from any car that comes stock with an airbag is illegal.

you have 2 options...
1. Break the law
2. Buy an expen$ive but damn sexy RAID steering wheel which comes with an airbag.

phaust
07-04-2003, 03:04 PM
RAID steering wheel? have any pics?

damn.. now im breaking the law.. again. :D


well i will try to find a "legit steering wheel" .. maybe try to call the last owner and ask him what he have done with the old one..

Miguel
07-04-2003, 03:24 PM
http://www.tmtuning.com/interior/interior%20images/DatonaWhel.jpg
http://www.tmtuning.com/interior/interior%20images/steering/freeway_silver.jpg
http://www.tmtuning.com/interior/interior%20images/steering/airType2.jpg

///Greco540
07-04-2003, 03:39 PM
Why don't you just get the M Sport steering wheel. It comes in the single stage airbag as well, plus it has the M logo on it.

EstorilM3
07-04-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Miguel
Yes, removing the steering wheel from any car that comes stock with an airbag is illegal.

you have 2 options...
1. Break the law
2. Buy an expen$ive but damn sexy RAID steering wheel which comes with an airbag.

The original poster is from Quebec. As such, different laws apply there than Ontario (I assume you are from Woodbridge, ON).

The Transport Canada governs when it comes to new cars imported into Canada by manufacturers or individuals. Once the car is registered in a Province, then, at least when it comes to Ontario, the Ontario Highway Traffic Act becomes the law.

Unless the Highway Traffic Act (or whatever they've got in Quebec) specifically references the Transport Canada Act, then you ARE permitted to remove or modify equipment, unless specifically prohibited by the Province.

BTW, as far as I can determine, you are NOT disallowed to remove or disconect the air bag in Ontario according to the HTA.

There may be another document which calls for it, but I'm not party to it.

When you say that one is NOT permitted to disconnect it, which specific document, and article are you refering to?

Miguel
07-04-2003, 04:37 PM
Yes, I am from Dudebrobridge, Ontario.

I can't find anything specific yet, but here is some food for thought on other minor "violations" that police like to issue tickets for.

COURTESY OF TORONTOCIVICS.COM

thanks to the members of DSC-R in providing this file!!
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Rules of the Road & Race: Tickets
Ontario Statutes & Regulations

Articles from:
The Highway Traffic Act
The Environmental Protection Act
The Motor Vehicle Safety Act & Transport Canada

Turn Signals - Red, Amber or White is LEGAL. Nowhere in the HTA does it state that turn signals can ONLY be red and amber. The HTA does state however that intermittent (regular intervals) of blue light flashing are illegal since they can only be used on snow-removal trucks). Red light in front is also illegal unless you are driving a government-operated vehicle (i.e. Ambulance, Police Vehicle). Green flashing is illegal too.

Signal for left or right turn

142. (1) The driver or operator of a vehicle upon a highway before turning to the left or right at any intersection or into a private road or driveway or from one lane for traffic to another lane for traffic or to leave the roadway shall first see that the movement can be made in safety, and if the operation of any other vehicle may be affected by the movement shall give a signal plainly visible to the driver or operator of the other vehicle of the intention to make the movement.

Signal when moving from parked position

(2) The driver or operator of a vehicle parked or stopped on the highway before setting the vehicle in motion shall first see that the movement can be made in safety, and, if in turning the vehicle the operation of any other vehicle may be affected by the movement, shall give a signal plainly visible to the driver or operator of the other vehicle of the intention to make the movement.

Mode of signalling turn

(3) The signal required in subsections (1) and (2) shall be given either by means of the hand and arm in the manner herein specified or by a mechanical or electrical signal device as described in subsection (6).

How to signal manually

(4) When the signal is given by means of the hand and arm, the driver or operator shall indicate his or her intention to turn,

(a) to the left, by extending the hand and arm horizontally and beyond the left side of the vehicle; or
(b) to the right, by extending the hand and arm upward and beyond the left side of the vehicle.

Idem

(5) Despite clause (4) (b), a person on a bicycle may indicate the intention to turn to the right by extending the right hand and arm horizontally and beyond the right side of the bicycle.

Requirements for signalling device

(6) A mechanical or electrical signal device shall clearly indicate the intention to turn, shall be visible and understandable during day-time and night-time from the front and from the rear of the vehicle for a distance of 30 metres, and shall be self-illuminated when used at any time from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise.

Signalling devices to be used only for purpose of indicating turn

(7) No person while operating or in control of a vehicle upon a highway shall actuate the mechanical or electrical device referred to in subsection (6) for any purpose other than to indicate a movement referred to in subsection (1) or (2).

signalling device

(b) by means of a stop lamp or lamps on the rear of the vehicle which shall emit a red or amber light and which shall be actuated upon application of the service or foot brake and which may or may not be incorporated with one or more rear lamps.

Definition

(9) For the purposes of subsections (1) and (8),
"vehicle" includes a street car equipped with turn signals or brake lights, as the case may be. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 142.

Note: On a day to be named by proclamation of the Lieutenant Governor, the Act is amended by the Statutes of Ontario, 1994, chapter 27, subsection 138 ( 12) by adding the following section:
Requirement to yield to bus from bus bay
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Intakes - Are LEGAL. The Environmental Protection Act states that you are ALLOWED to replace systems of devices (such as an intake) so long as it complies with the regulations in the Act. So long as your intake is attached and working properly, you are FINE!

22. (1) No person shall sell, or offer, expose or advertise for sale, a motor or motor vehicle that does not comply with the regulations.
Where system or device installed on motor vehicle

(2) Where a manufacturer installs on, attaches to or incorporates in any motor or motor vehicle, a system or device to prevent or lessen the discharge of any contaminant, no person shall sell, or offer, expose or advertise for sale, such motor or motor vehicle unless the motor or motor vehicle has such system or device so installed, attached or incorporated and such system or device, when the motor or motor vehicle is operating, complies with the regulations. R.S.O. 1990, c. E.19, s. 22 (1, 2).

Repair or replacement of system or device

(3) Where a manufacturer installs on, attaches to or incorporates in any motor or motor vehicle, a system or device to prevent or lessen the discharge of any contaminant, no person shall remove or cause or permit the removal of the system or device from the motor or motor vehicle, except as permitted by subsection (4).

Same
(4) A person may repair the system or device or replace the system or device by a system or device of the same type or of a type prescribed by the regulations. 1998, c. 35, s. 3.

MOTOR VEHICLES - Ontario Regulation 361/98 SEC 7(1)(b)
Emission Control Systems

6.1 The following types of systems and devices are prescribed for the purpose of subsection 22 (4) of the Act:

1. A system or device that is manufactured by the manufacturer of the system or device that is being replaced and,

i. is identical to or equivalent to the system or device that is being replaced, or
ii. is manufactured as a replacement for the system or device that is being replaced.

2. A system or device that is approved by the Bureau of Automobile Repair, the California Air Resources Board, the United States Environmental Protection Agency or another body specified by the Director as a replacement for the system or device that is being replaced. O. Reg. 86/99, s. 6.

7. (1) If a motor or motor vehicle is manufactured with a system or device to prevent or lessen the emission of any contaminant, no person shall operate or cause or permit the operation of the motor or motor vehicle if the system or device, or any replacement therefor,

(a) is not maintained or kept in such a state of repair that it is capable of performing the function for which it was intended; or
(b) is not kept installed on, attached to or incorporated in the motor or motor vehicle in such a manner that, when the motor or motor vehicle is operating, the system or device functions in the manner in which it was intended to function. O. Reg. 401/98, s. 1.

Basically it says no one is allowed to operate a vehicle if its system/device, that is used to prevent or lesson emissions of contaniments, is not kept installed on, or not attached to or not incorporated to the vehicle in a manner that it is intended to function.
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Section 166 of the Environmental Protection Act - Stop and inspect powers: motor vehicle emissions

(2) For the purpose of ascertaining whether a system or device installed on, attached to or incorporated in any motor vehicle to prevent or lessen the discharge of any emission is operating in compliance with this Act and the regulations, a provincial officer or a police officer may stop and inspect the motor vehicle.

Same
(3) An inspection under subsection (2) shall be limited to what is reasonably required to ascertain whether the system or device is operating in compliance with this Act and the regulations.

Same
(4) In an inspection under subsection (2), the provincial officer or police officer may,

(a) require the driver of the motor vehicle to submit the motor vehicle to such tests at such places and times as the provincial officer or police officer considers reasonable;

(b) require the driver of the motor vehicle to produce any documents, including licenses and permits, related to the operation or ownership of the motor vehicle; and

(c) require the driver of the motor vehicle to operate, use or set in motion the vehicle or any part of the vehicle, under the conditions specified by the provincial officer or police officer.
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Vehicle Too Low - The FIRST thing you should do is ask the officer to present proof that he holds a Critical Inspection Certificate before allowing him to carry out any inspection for critical defects on your vehicle - this is stated in Section 1 of the Regulations for the HTA.

Your car will be towed if it is deemed critically defective. The HTA regulation pertaining to suspension and impoundment of vehicles states that the officer can only tow your car away for being too low IF AND ONLY IF your car, while in a stopped position with wheels straight, is touching any part of the vehicle (as stated in regulation 512/97). Anything pertaining to suspension and impoundment of vehicles must fall under section 82.1 of the HTA.

The violation you are making if true, is contrary to this section in the HTA:

84. (1) No person shall drive or operate or permit the driving or operation upon a highway of a vehicle, a street car or vehicles that in combination are in such a dangerous or unsafe condition as to endanger any person. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 84.

Vehicle with critical defect deemed unsafe:
(1.1) If a commercial motor vehicle or trailer has one or more critical defect, as prescribed by regulation, it shall be deemed to be in such a dangerous or unsafe condition as to endanger any person. 1997, c. 12, s. 11.

Miguel
07-04-2003, 04:38 PM
ONTARIO REGULATION 512/97:
SUSPENSION AND IMPOUNDMENT OF COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES
FOR CRITICAL DEFECTS UNDER SECTION 82.1 OF THE ACT

Section 1:
A police officer or officer appointed for carrying out the provisions of this Act must hold a Critical Inspection Certificate issued by the Registrar in order to carry out inspections under section 82.1 of the Act. O. Reg. 512/97, s. 1.

Section 11:
(2) A commercial motor vehicle or trailer has a critical defect for the purposes of section 82.1 of the Act if one or more of the following defects is present on four or more of its tires:

4. A tire,

i. is contacting a vehicle component, other than a tire, with the vehicle stopped in the straight ahead position,
ii. is void of air pressure or has an air leak that is audible or tangible, or
iii. is marked "not for highway use" or "farm use only" or bears the letters "SL", "NHS", "K", "SS", "AT", "DH", "VA" or "TG" as part of the tire designation or on any other location on the tire. O. Reg. 512/97, s. 11.

Officer does not need a Critical Inspection Certificate to perform the below test:

Some of our cars are low in a manner where the vehicle DOES cover a little part of the tire, but your tires are not touching any part of the vehicle when stopped and wheels straight. If this is the case, the officer will ask you to turn your wheel all the way in one direction. If your tires do touch the vehicle (i.e. the fender) when turned, it is considered too low but the officer cannot tow your car away on this because it is not considered CRITICALLY DEFECTIVE. The only thing the officer can do is issue an order for you to bring your vehicle to compliance. You must then submit the vehicle for further inspection after you have brought it to compliance, or show evidence that you have done so - this is to the discretion of the officer.

Regulations (Section 70 of the HTA)

Offence
(3) No person shall operate or permit to be operated upon a highway a vehicle that is,

(a) fitted with a tire that does not conform with the standards and specifications prescribed in the regulations; or
(b) fitted with tires that are installed in a manner, in a place or in a combination that does not conform with the specifications prescribed in the regulations.


ONTARIO REGULATION 625:
TIRE STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS

5. A tire fitted on a vehicle shall not,

(a) be of a smaller size than the vehicle manufacturer's specified minimum size; or
(b) contact any vehicle component so as to affect the safe operation of the vehicle. R.R.O. 1990, Reg. 625, s. 5.


Definitions (side note: below is the guidelines pertaining to section 82 of the HTA)

82.1 (1) In this section,

"commercial motor vehicle" has the same meaning as in subsection 16 (1); ("véhicule utilitaire") "operator" means,

(a) the person directly or indirectly responsible for the operation of a commercial motor vehicle, including the conduct of the driver of, and the carriage of goods or passengers, if any, in, the commercial motor vehicle or combination of vehicles, and

(b) in the absence of evidence to the contrary, where no CVOR certificate, as defined in subsection 16 (1), or lease or contract applicable to a commercial motor vehicle, is produced, the holder of the plate portion of the permit for the commercial motor vehicle; ("utilisateur")
"owner" means the person whose name appears on the certificate of registration for the vehicle, and, where the certificate of registration for the vehicle consists of a vehicle portion and plate portion, means the person whose name appears on the vehicle portion; ("propriétaire")
"permit" means the permit issued under subsection 7 (7). ("certificat d'immatriculation")

Muffler - You’re allowed to change the muffler so long as it is in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise. Again, refer to the Intake section of this document on legal issues on the replacement of vehicle system or devices - you are allowed to change/replace your muffler. Also note, that the sound allowed to be emitted from your vehicle is 83 dBA as stated by Transport Canada in the Motor Vehicle Safety Act. The following is from the Highway Traffic Act. Since when is replacing your exhaust with an aftermarket one illegal? Even HONDA sells intakes and exhausts to their customers!

Muffler

75. (1) Every motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle shall be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke, and no person shall use a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon a motor vehicle or motor assisted bicycle.

Idem

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a motor assisted bicycle with an attached motor that is driven by electricity.

Fumes from engine

(3) The engine and power mechanism of every motor vehicle shall be so equipped and adjusted as to prevent the escape of excessive fumes or smoke.

Unnecessary noise

(4) A person having the control or charge of a motor vehicle shall not sound any bell, horn or other signalling device so as to make an unreasonable noise, and a driver of any motor vehicle shall not permit any unreasonable amount of smoke to escape from the motor vehicle, nor shall the driver at any time cause the motor vehicle to make any unnecessary noise, but this subsection does not apply to a motor vehicle of a municipal fire department while proceeding to a fire or answering a fire alarm call.
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Fog Lights - A lot of stock cars come with these so they cannot be illegal. Also, the HTA states that you cannot have more than four front lamps that project an intensity of 300 candela. Turn signals DO NOT COUNT as front lamps since there is a separate section pertaining to them. But if you have 2 pairs of fog lights then you’re screwed…

Section 62:
Strength of front lamps

(9) No motor vehicle shall carry on the front thereof more than four lighted lamps that project a beam having an intensity of over 300 candela.

Clear Tail Lamp Units - Are legal… The HTA does state that you have to have two red reflectors at the rear of your vehicle BUT this only holds true for commercial motor vehicles. So by definition,

"commercial motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle having permanently attached thereto a truck or delivery body and includes ambulances, hearses, casket wagons, fire apparatus, buses and tractors used for hauling purposes on the highways; ("véhicule utilitaire")

Section 103: Reflector

(2) Every commercial motor vehicle and every trailer shall have securely attached to the back thereof two red reflectors approved by the Ministry, which shall be located as far apart as practicable, at the same height and in such positions as to reflect the light from the headlights of a vehicle approaching from the rear.

Anything else about reflectors in the HTA only pertains to large-sized vehicles, trailers, and motor-assisted bicycles.

Only legal documents pertaining to tail lamps are from the Motor Vehicle Safety Act, which is from Transport Canada. The MVSA is only for manufacturers to abide by in order to certify their cars or to sell such products. This is the reason why APC is recalling (from distributors) a lot of their Altezza-style tail lights because they did not meet SAE standards.

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Additional Notes:

Side Marker Lamps - The section in the HTA referring to side marker lamps state that they can only be green or amber but that is ONLY pertaining to vehicles having a length in excess of 6.1 metres. This means they can be any colour however if your side markers blink/flash, then they cannot be blue, red or green.

Bulb Colours - Can be ANY colour so long as the light emitted from them is legal. (Read below for The Colour of Light Theory)

Radar Devices - Are ILLEGAL to carry or equip in your car.

Front and Rear Plates - Must be attached to the bumpers as prescribed by the Ministry of Transportation.

Nitrous Oxide (NOS) - Are ILLEGAL to have in your car as stated under the Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act unless the container and vehicle is clearly marked to have such goods and is equipped to carry such goods.

Altezza Tail Lamp Units - Like clear tail lights, they are legal as well. One thing to note is that clear tail lights and most Altezza-style tail lights do not meet SAE standards and do not comply with the Motor Vehicle Safety Act - Again, SAE regulations and the MVSA is only for manufacturers to abide by.

Aside:
In order to have a violation while on the road, it must be contrary to the Highway Traffic Act or some other law like the Environmental Protection Act - not Motor Vehicle Safety Act!

Banners - Are legal so long as you have 99% unobstructed view of the windshield critical area (which is the window wipers sweep area).

Scanners - Are ILLEGAL to use, equip and to carry in a motor vehicle (exemption if it is concealed in an envelope for delivery from a manufacturer to a consignee)

Tints - Are legal so long as it is not too dark (technically speaking, 35% is the darkest for the windshield and side windows of front compartment)

Windows to afford clear view
74. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle upon a highway,

(a) unless the windshield and the windows on either side of the compartment containing the steering wheel are in such a condition as to afford the driver a clear view to the front and side of the motor vehicle; and
(b) unless the rear window is in such a condition as to afford the driver a clear view to the rear of the motor vehicle.

phaust
07-04-2003, 04:43 PM
///Greco540 : how much? *mw*

EstorilM3 : im refering from a document in french.

http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/dossier/vehicules_modifies/index.html

http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/dossier/vehicules_modifies/interdit.html

Il est interdit :
D’enlever ou de rendre inopérant un coussin gonflable, par exemple, en changeant de volant lorsque celui d’origine comporte un coussin gonflable.

in english it's mean : it's illegal to remove or desactivate an airbag or changing the steering wheel if this one have an airbag.
:huh?: *sad*


Miguel: damn. *mw* how much for those sexy things?


hoo. and by the way, Nitrous Oxide (NOS) are legal in quebec *th-up*

Miguel
07-04-2003, 04:50 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that steering wheels w/ airbags become mandatory in Ontario in all cars starting with the 1995 model year.

Thats why people importing cars that are listed as model years 1995-present have to install them in order to get the vehicle legally safetied.

Raids w/ airbags are available for about $350USD i think.

EstorilM3
07-04-2003, 04:56 PM
*...ONTARIO REGULATION 512/97:
SUSPENSION AND IMPOUNDMENT OF COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES
FOR CRITICAL DEFECTS UNDER SECTION 82.1 OF THE ACT...*

Yep, all for "commercial" vehicles...

Miguel
07-04-2003, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by EstorilM3
*...ONTARIO REGULATION 512/97:
SUSPENSION AND IMPOUNDMENT OF COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLES
FOR CRITICAL DEFECTS UNDER SECTION 82.1 OF THE ACT...*

Yep, all for "commercial" vehicles...

You know that when they say "commercial" vehicles they are referring to all our cars right?

EstorilM3
07-04-2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Miguel
Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that steering wheels w/ airbags become mandatory in Ontario in all cars starting with the 1995 model year.

Thats why people importing cars that are listed as model years 1995-present have to install them in order to get the vehicle legally safetied.

Raids w/ airbags are available for about $350USD i think.

The air bag is a Transport Canada requirment. It applies to car manufacturers who want to import, and sell vehicles here. It also applies to any individual who wants to import a car on his own from another country - commom before, but not any more.

Once the car is registered in Ontario, then the HTA takes effect, and the Federal legislation does NOT, I say NOT, apply...

I have discussed this to some length between the Trqansport Canad officials, and the Ontario Ministry of Transportation.

This means that once the Ottawa boys approve the vehicle, and you register it here, you can do *almost* anything to it, and the cops cannot do a damn thing - they try, because they're stupid/on a power trip/ignorant, and because most drivers get intimidated by them.

The HTA, and a couple of other very small Acts apply in Ontario.

Trucks, buses, and other commercial vehicles are a whole 'nother game.

The Honda people generated article is good - it is, essentially, excerpts from the HTA.

I have a copy of the HTA at home - you can downloaded over the Internet.

BTW, the Raid air bag does not have the DOT approval (last time I checked), and is, as such, illegal in USA. The air bag capacity is smaller than required for new vehicles in USA, and Canada.

Euro air bags are smaller by a few litres of air, because Euros wear seatbelts, whereas many Yanks do not - so to save them from their own stupidity, DOT mandates larger bags.

EstorilM3
07-04-2003, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by Miguel
You know that when they say "commercial" vehicles they are referring to all our cars right?

No, that's buses, trucks, and such.

Yours is a *Passenger* vehicle under 6.1 meteres in length.

phaust
07-04-2003, 05:22 PM
well. in quebec, if i read carefully, it's seem to be illegal to remove a steering wheel with an airbag.

i don't know why.. because a lot of car don't have airbag, and they are legal.. i mean.. if im afraid of that ****ing airbag.. i cannot remove them?

i already get slapped by an airbag.. maybe i can say.. im afraid of airbag because it's hurted too much and im unable to drive with that little bomb in front of me! :eek: hummm..

because in another text files from the SAAQ ( quebec car regulation institution) it's say you cannot remove them "without a special autorisation"

so.. maybe..

EstorilM3
07-04-2003, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by phaust
well. in quebec, if i read carefully, it's seem to be illegal to remove a steering wheel with an airbag.

i don't know why.. because a lot of car don't have airbag, and they are legal.. i mean.. if im afraid of that ****ing airbag.. i cannot remove them?

i already get slapped by an airbag.. maybe i can say.. im afraid of airbag because it's hurted too much and im unable to drive with that little bomb in front of me! :eek: hummm..

because in another text files from the SAAQ ( quebec car regulation institution) it's say you cannot remove them "without a special autorisation"

so.. maybe..

Can you not get a *medical* exception, since you have a fear of them - this may be legitimate, and good enough reason?

I would speak to your doctor, and Quebec officials about it.

T-spec
07-04-2003, 05:32 PM
For your airbag questions:

I had my car safetied at a mazda DEALERSHIP and I removed the airbag steering wheel and put on the momo. These guys were pretty anal too, told me I needed new wipers, but you can clearly see the passenger air bag in the car but they didn't say anything about it.???????:confused:

phaust
07-04-2003, 05:36 PM
EstorilM3 : i will call them next monday for sure.. because i luv my momo corse steering wheel :cool: and i don't want to pay a grant to have a standard bmw steering..

anyway it's seem to be the easy way to do so.. i will call the officials first to know if it's possible.. and after that i will call my doctor.. or a psy? dunno wich one will be a ble to make an official paper for that.. it's more psychologic than physic...

well i will stay all of you in touch with that.. as soon as i have some news about that i keep you in touch.

T-spec : at the dealership? maybe they just don't care if it's legal or not..

Miguel
07-04-2003, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by EstorilM3
The air bag is a Transport Canada requirment. It applies to car manufacturers who want to import, and sell vehicles here. It also applies to any individual who wants to import a car on his own from another country - commom before, but not any more.

Once the car is registered in Ontario, then the HTA takes effect, and the Federal legislation does NOT, I say NOT, apply...

I have discussed this to some length between the Trqansport Canad officials, and the Ontario Ministry of Transportation.

This means that once the Ottawa boys approve the vehicle, and you register it here, you can do *almost* anything to it, and the cops cannot do a damn thing - they try, because they're stupid/on a power trip/ignorant, and because most drivers get intimidated by them.

The HTA, and a couple of other very small Acts apply in Ontario.

Trucks, buses, and other commercial vehicles are a whole 'nother game.

The Honda people generated article is good - it is, essentially, excerpts from the HTA.

I have a copy of the HTA at home - you can downloaded over the Internet.

BTW, the Raid air bag does not have the DOT approval (last time I checked), and is, as such, illegal in USA. The air bag capacity is smaller than required for new vehicles in USA, and Canada.

Euro air bags are smaller by a few litres of air, because Euros wear seatbelts, whereas many Yanks do not - so to save them from their own stupidity, DOT mandates larger bags.

Hmmm... the HTA (http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/Statutes/English/90h08_e.htm) is messed!

I didn't know they had seperate definitions for motor vehicle and commercial motor vehicle. The only problem is that the HTA is not clear on whether regulations apply to one or the other or BOTH?!?

"commercial motor vehicle" means a motor vehicle having permanently attached thereto a truck or delivery body and includes ambulances, hearses, casket wagons, fire apparatus, buses and tractors used for hauling purposes on the highways; ("véhicule utilitaire")

"motor vehicle" includes an automobile, motorcycle, motor assisted bicycle unless otherwise indicated in this Act, and any other vehicle propelled or driven otherwise than by muscular power, but does not include a street car, or other motor vehicles running only upon rails, or a motorized snow vehicle, traction engine, farm tractor, self-propelled implement of husbandry or road-building machine within the meaning of this Act; ("véhicule automobile")

So assuming that you have a car registered in Ontario, the HTA (as unclear as it is!) would apply meaning that:

Sale of rebuilt air bags prohibited

71.1 (1) No person shall sell, offer or advertise for sale, or have in the person's possession with intent to sell, a rebuilt air bag. 2002, c. 18, Sched. P, s. 20.

Rebuilding air bags prohibited

(2) No person shall rebuild an air bag. 2002, c. 18, Sched. P, s. 20.

Installation of rebuilt air bags prohibited

(3) No person shall install a rebuilt air bag in a motor vehicle. 2002, c. 18, Sched. P, s. 20.

Penalty

(4) Every person who contravenes subsection (1), (2) or (3) or who contravenes or fails to comply with a regulation made under clause (5) (c) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable,

(a) for a first offence, to a fine of not less than $1,000 and not more than $5,000; and

(b) for each subsequent offence, to a fine of not less than $5,000 and not more than $20,000. 2002, c. 18, Sched. P, s. 20.

It doesn't say anything about removing pre-equipped airbag steering wheels?!? What act does that fall under once a vehicle is registered in Ontario?

Some interesting points about TVS!

78. (1) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle that is equipped with a television receiving set,

(a) any part of which is located in the motor vehicle forward of the back of the driver's seat; or

(b) that is visible to the driver while he or she is operating the motor vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 78 (1).

Operation of television in motor vehicle

(2) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle in which a television set, while being operated, is located in the motor vehicle forward of the back of the driver's seat or is visible to the driver while he or she is operating the motor vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 78 (2).

Exemption by regulation

(3) The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations exempting any class of persons or vehicles or any use of equipment or type of equipment from this section. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 78 (3).

Does this mean new Land Rovers and other Air Ride equipped vehicles can't be on the highway?!?
Air cushioned vehicles prohibited on highways

189. No person shall operate a vehicle commonly known as an air cushioned vehicle on a highway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 189.

Jim .E.
07-04-2003, 06:33 PM
thas flippen gay, HTA is getting more and more f*cked up every since these shit and the riced racers movie came out and all these wannabees following the path to ricetown

no offence to anyone if taken

EstorilM3
07-04-2003, 06:54 PM
*...It doesn't say anything about removing pre-equipped airbag steering wheels?!? What act does that fall under once a vehicle is registered in Ontario?

That's what I'm saying - I don't think there are any Acts or Statues in Ontario that prohibit removing the air bag.


*...Does this mean new Land Rovers and other Air Ride equipped vehicles can't be on the highway. Air cushioned vehicles prohibited on highways

189. No person shall operate a vehicle commonly known as an air cushioned vehicle on a highway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 189...*

No, that's for hovercraft type vehicles, not passenger vehicles.

TiemenT
07-04-2003, 07:46 PM
in the Netherlands is it legal !!! so the most (tuned sportscars) don't have an airbag, but the thing in the Netherlands is, when you don't have an airbag, you must have 4-point-seatbels... but the most tuned car have Recaro/Momo/Sparco seats so that's no problm

Peter1998
07-05-2003, 12:33 AM
in toronto.. 4 point seatbelt is illegal.. lol .. my friend got a ticket becoz of it...

also.. if police ask u why u take off ur airbag.. just told them u got accident b4 and no money to buy a new airbag.. it is too expensive..

///Greco540
07-05-2003, 01:14 AM
http://www.bmw-auto-parts-dealer.com/Parts.htm is where I'm getting my M Sport single stage wheel from. Call them up and I'm sure they will help you.

\/\/eapon
07-05-2003, 02:57 AM
Its not illegal.

phaust
07-05-2003, 10:41 PM
///Greco540: thanks a lot budy! i will check this monday *th-up*

\/\/eapon: wtf???? your comment is ****ing useless. did you read the topic? did you read the messages?????

it's not because you say " it's not illegal" that it's will not be illegal! bring some proof of your affirmation

damn. wtf..*wiggle*

EstorilM3
07-06-2003, 02:09 PM
*...\/\/eapon: wtf???? your comment is ****ing useless. did you read the topic? did you read the messages?????

it's not because you say " it's not illegal" that it's will not be illegal! bring some proof of your affirmation

damn. wtf...*

LOL - don't you just love it when people come out of the blue, and drop an reply that is totally out of line...:) :) :)

phaust
07-07-2003, 01:27 AM
EstorilM3 : *th-up* *mumble* :) :) yup hehehe

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