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Bavaria
06-29-2003, 04:16 PM
Was at work last night and i was reading the Road and track Mag......Benz ppl, you are going to get raped by this baby
V10 500 HP out of this baby, and they say it mosy likely be 550Hp accodring to some calculations........
it looks like the new 5 series but with the sporty looook
watch out Mercedes, we are out to rape u muhahahahahah
:cool:

KJ-M3
06-29-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Bavaria
Was at work last night and i was reading the Road and track Mag......Benz ppl, you are going to get raped by this baby
V10 500 HP out of this baby, and they say it mosy likely be 550Hp accodring to some calculations........
it looks like the new 5 series but with the sporty looook
watch out Mercedes, we are out to rape u muhahahahahah
:cool:

Oh Please...who knows how much power the E-class will have in a few years? I wouldn't compare a car that will be out in a few years, to one that is out ALREADY!!!

Right now, the E55 is MUCH MUCH faster in the straight line. When the new M5 comes out in a few years, I suspect the E-Class AMG will still be whooping the M5 in terms of power.

In Europe, the E55 AMG puts out 493bhp, only 7bhp shy of the "estimated" specs for the new M5 (but having achieved this a few years ahead of the M5).

Also, the S600 MURDERS the 760 in the straight line. Chalk another one up for Mercedes. *uzi*

Of course, the M3 is cooler than the C32, so chalk one up for BMW too! hahaha *par-t*

- KJ

Mystikal
06-29-2003, 04:25 PM
The SC E55 only came out this spring. The M5 will be out next year. It's only 1 year ahead. :huh?:

Bavaria
06-29-2003, 04:26 PM
the M5 came out before all those suckers became competitive, ofcourse they are going to make something more powerfull.
the M5 was a masterpeice and then benz though ooo ooo oo we have to challange them.........mercedes was never a sport vehicle to me, it only does what it does so it doesnt look as if they are losing to BMW....
screw that BMW OWS JOO

Soldo
06-29-2003, 04:49 PM
Ya i seen pics of the new M5 at one of the BMW dealers, and i don't like it, looks like the new 5er's and it has the M3 grills at the side, but i guess it says M5!!
not my cup of tea, and ya it'll be a LOT faster than the current E55 (which is FI mind you, the M's, just like all M's before it shall be NA!)

SickFinga
06-29-2003, 05:43 PM
I don't think so Bavaria.
right now any AMG faster than any M(in the same class)
S600 is faster than any M right now.
Soldo, to whoop E55s ass, next M5 will have to run somewhere in 11sec. I don't see it is happening.

Soldo
06-29-2003, 06:01 PM
you guys have it all wrong, 11 sec?!
Who cares about 1/4 mile times, i don't think BMW makes their cares with the 1/4 mile in mind, they make it so that the consumer gets a REALLY FAST CAR, with decent fuel consumption at the same time, the new M5 will have a LOT more power than the AMG now it depends on what kinda gearing their gonna put on it to beat the AMG in the 1/4 mile (BMW is a TRACK car, not a dragster!!)

Bavaria
06-29-2003, 06:04 PM
OWN3D

Sickbimmer
06-29-2003, 06:04 PM
Are you guys telling me the new E55 does low 12's out of the box:confused:

Albertae30
06-29-2003, 06:05 PM
amen i beleive the new m5 will rape the damn benz like a red headed stepchild. the benz is just a money icon in my mind bmw is epensive, good looking performance vehicle.

///Greco540
06-29-2003, 06:07 PM
I know stock M5's that run 12.8's and better. But lets look at some points here..


1) M5 (E39)
i) 8 year platform winning awards for each of those 8 years
ii) 4 year old car that has dominated its class
iii) 4.9L N/A engine producing 400hp in euro trim
iv) 6 speed manual

2) E55
i) MB technology at its finest
ii) 5.5L S/C engine (Torque monster)
iii) Slush box automatic
iv) Great in straight line, lacks track refinement. Brakes stop on a dime but lack pedal feedback. (I can provide first hand experiences to this)

So is the only possible way MB can out-do BMW is to FI all their cars? Lets look at this, you say S600 beats 7 series. That's a twin turbo 5.5L V12 engine, against a N/A. E55 beats M5, thats a S/C vs a N/A.

Do I think the new M5 will retake the throne and push MB back to the drawing table? As a BMW guy I'll say yes. But that doesn't mean I won't ever own an SL as I do like the car..

Let's just be glad that the boyz in Deutshland have a healthy appetite of competition that we can only benefit from..

Keep it up boyz...

PS: I wouldn't mind a Brabus SL7.3 in my driveway one day.. For those who don't know they took a base 5.5L twin turbo v12 SL600 and bored it out to 7.3L for a total of 1360HP and 1060ft.lbs of torque, 0-60 3.2sec, and a speed governor limited to "only" 220mph.
http://63.249.202.221/images/brabus_sl7.3s.jpg

SickFinga
06-29-2003, 06:11 PM
Greco, actually euro M5 has 408hp and 8 year old M5 outbrakes e55 8 piston caliper brakes.

Soldo
06-29-2003, 06:14 PM
WOW!!
That Brabus SL, loved it since the day it was born!
But asides from that, i agree with you 100% the M5 is an OLD car, the E55 JUST came out with their more powerful engine!
Also, Greco, in europe, the AMG's are standard!

SickFinga
06-29-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
you guys have it all wrong, 11 sec?!
Who cares about 1/4 mile times, i don't think BMW makes their cares with the 1/4 mile in mind, they make it so that the consumer gets a REALLY FAST CAR, with decent fuel consumption at the same time, the new M5 will have a LOT more power than the AMG now it depends on what kinda gearing their gonna put on it to beat the AMG in the 1/4 mile (BMW is a TRACK car, not a dragster!!)


i think you are wrong, right now for M5 and e55 all what matters is acceleration
MOst of the m5 and e55 owners drive on german autobahns, and all they want, is to floor it and hit the limiter as soon as possible.

stock e55 is 12.4 sec 1/4mile.
I know most magazines still say that e39 m5 is way better, but face it E55 is just way faster.

Bavaria
06-29-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
I know most magazines still say that e39 m5 is way better


well somone knows what they are talking about :P

Soldo
06-29-2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by SickFinga
i think you are wrong, right now for M5 and e55 all what matters is acceleration
MOst of the m5 and e55 owners drive on german autobahns, and all they want, is to floor it and hit the limiter as soon as possible.

stock e55 is 12.4 sec 1/4mile.
I know most magazines still say that e39 m5 is way better, but face it E55 is just way faster.
No i agree, the E55 is faster, but for how long a YEAR!
let it have its fun, while it lasts, but remember, like greco said, the car is HOW old, the E39 M5 has been around holdin it down for a while now, i'm surprised it took benz THIS LONG to just beat the car by a little!

Gamite
06-29-2003, 08:34 PM
Well lets not get too ahead of ourselves..

We'll all know for sure when the car does come out. and whether it will be a flop or not.


I'm sure BMW knows what it needs to overtake the E55 in terms of performance, also I think the price tag will be lower than E55 or so I've heard.

SickFinga
06-29-2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
No i agree, the E55 is faster, but for how long a YEAR!
let it have its fun, while it lasts, but remember, like greco said, the car is HOW old, the E39 M5 has been around holdin it down for a while now, i'm surprised it took benz THIS LONG to just beat the car by a little!
What makes you so sure that m5 will be faster?
BTW, CL65 is already for sale. SL65 is coming soon, i bet E55 will be changed to E65 too, i don't think bm will change their engine that fast

hypertension
06-29-2003, 08:51 PM
id throw in my 2 cents... but whats the point since id never drive either of the two cars anyways

IVAN
06-29-2003, 09:22 PM
When E34 M5 came out ,the Mercedes had somthing called

500E with AMG pack .....The car had about 305 hp and it was in the same class as M5.

Anyways BMW is not that stupid so they are gonna start putting 6 or 7 liter engine.....

IVAN
06-29-2003, 09:29 PM
Put the 6.0 Litter (500hp) angine at Z8 and you are gonna be doin 3.9 sec to 100km/hr.....

Anyways Sickfinga said at previous thread "I would rather take CL600 or SL over any bmw"

I totally agree but let me tell you ..

Then 850CSI came outta 1991 and I would rather take that car over any benzo ..And 750iL that came 1988 so i would rather get that over 560SEL....

The time changes

Bavaria
06-29-2003, 09:47 PM
Benz started off as a luxury not as a sport, while BMW was both....every time BMW made something it had to do the same and improvise on it! :)

///Greco540
06-29-2003, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
WOW!!
That Brabus SL, loved it since the day it was born!
But asides from that, i agree with you 100% the M5 is an OLD car, the E55 JUST came out with their more powerful engine!
Also, Greco, in europe, the AMG's are standard!

TO my knowledge the only manual car MB makes is the C class, everything else is auto. I don't think AMG does tranny swaps...

Unless you can show me otherwise...*th-up*

I'd be happy enough to own any of the mentioned cars in this thread prior to this post..

SickFinga
06-29-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by IVAN
Put the 6.0 Litter (500hp) angine at Z8 and you are gonna be doin 3.9 sec to 100km/hr.....

Anyways Sickfinga said at previous thread "I would rather take CL600 or SL over any bmw"

I totally agree but let me tell you ..

Then 850CSI came outta 1991 and I would rather take that car over any benzo ..And 750iL that came 1988 so i would rather get that over 560SEL....

The time changes
Yeah i agree with you, you couln't even compare old Benz's to Old BMWs. Old BENZ's were mad ugly and way boxy.
like previous E and S class. Those cars were nasty.



Greco, ine urope you can get manual. And yes you are right the only manual benz you can get here is C hatch.

bmwm5lover
06-30-2003, 12:31 AM
damn why did i have to go the beach and miss out on the debate here. All my points FOR the M5 havce been said by someone already. In short, M5 started at the top, and will remain at then top.

E30ZeRo
06-30-2003, 12:53 AM
id love it one day if bmw slapped a turbo/supercharger on to one of their engines, because bmw knows how to pump more power out of an engine better than anyone else without using forced induction, with a turbo. THEYD BE UNSTOPPABLE!!!! *uzi*

BMW_7
06-30-2003, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by E30ZeRo
id love it one day if bmw slapped a turbo/supercharger on to one of their engines, because bmw knows how to pump more power out of an engine better than anyone else without using forced induction, with a turbo. THEYD BE UNSTOPPABLE!!!! *uzi*

Sorry buddy if you think that way I feel sorry for you.

If BMW would do that to a M3 or the M5 I would totally lose respect for BMW and go back to Volkswagens.

That is the beauty of BMW flagship engines, they don't wimp out with superchargers to dominate 1/4 mile tracks along Camaros.

BMW is above all that nonsense, that is why it remains unstoppable in my heart and in many other enthusiasts who don't give two shits about the design to impress their girlfriends.

BMWs are about engines.

Jon@Bimmersport
06-30-2003, 03:03 AM
sickfinga is obsessed with the CL600 damn it.."CL600 in white..OH MY GOD!" lol thats his exact words every 5min at harveys one night for 2 damn hours!

E55 is pimp..all the new AMG benz's are pimp, and fast...M has the power to prolly surpass them when the new gen M5 comes out...but E55 is still nicer overall!

bmwm5lover
06-30-2003, 01:58 PM
If you guys have seen the comparison between the Audi S4 and the m3, then you know exactly that the M5 compared tot he e55 AMG is the same thing. Although they both target performance, one using FI-easy way out, and the other one being NA, when it comes to everything else, their target changes. the M5 turns into a more sports oriented sedan, while the MB turns into a more luxury oriented car. After all, if you were a true enthusiast, and loved the sheer thrill of racing, which one would you pick for a spin around the track, the MB, or the M5? M5 ofcourse, b/c the M5 was more race oriented, than the MB. So saying which one is better, first you would have to look, at the aspect you are comparing them in. Driving pleasure? M5 Raw Speed? M5 Track exprience? M5 Pure Luxury? MB, etc...

SickFinga
06-30-2003, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by E46_lover
sickfinga is obsessed with the CL600 damn it.."CL600 in white..OH MY GOD!" lol thats his exact words every 5min at harveys one night for 2 damn hours!

E55 is pimp..all the new AMG benz's are pimp, and fast...M has the power to prolly surpass them when the new gen M5 comes out...but E55 is still nicer overall!

white CL600
hell yeah
http://www.exclusivemotoring.com/gm/gallery/images/images/aaaSTRICKS-CL-1.jpg

AMG_POWER
06-30-2003, 03:41 PM
BMW - MERCEDES = Two different fishes..... my 2c!

ZiMMie
07-01-2003, 03:44 AM
Anypics of wat this new m5 looks like??//////

FastM3
07-01-2003, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by BiMMer745i
BMW - MERCEDES = Two different fishes..... my 2c!

and BMW is better ;)

:D

IVAN
07-01-2003, 04:42 AM
F-uck you all I sitt i my 2004 YUGO and its gotta all the best ... hahah joks

Not to mention 3 speed manual and turbo

Gamite
07-01-2003, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by SickFinga
white CL600
hell yeah
http://www.exclusivemotoring.com/gm/gallery/images/images/aaaSTRICKS-CL-1.jpg

I dont like the CL.. the SL is so much nicer.

Gamite
07-01-2003, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by ZiMMie
Anypics of wat this new m5 looks like??//////

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/p95d95744e685f388acf3bf4b5a09de7a/fbd35d6b.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/p4267ce675a8f785a93a458f42f584800/fbd35e61.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/p6c71f01f0f9c2b2056a9e7834f3e0357/fbd35c8e.jpg

Soldo
07-01-2003, 05:28 PM
hey gamite, they have pics of the new M5 at the dealer, and it looks pretty much like the car you posted but it also has the M3 side grills on it, but i'm assuming it says M5 on them!

chanh
07-01-2003, 05:30 PM
550hp thats it? When the new sl come out its gonna have 700hp *sleep*

Gamite
07-01-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by SOLDOMATIC 325i
hey gamite, they have pics of the new M5 at the dealer, and it looks pretty much like the car you posted but it also has the M3 side grills on it, but i'm assuming it says M5 on them!

Really? maybe I should visit the dealer

Soldo
07-01-2003, 06:11 PM
ya i was at Mississauga and one of the guys there needed me to see a part iu was gonna buy to make sure it was the right one, and when i went back to where all the parts are i seen the pic for the new M5, looks bad, i don't like it one bit!

Gamite
07-01-2003, 06:12 PM
lol, well I like it a lot better with that front bumper.