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e30svp
12-02-2012, 07:43 PM
Hi, I am considering a low mileage '02 320i...

I have performed some research on this forum and others - I know that it was a model that didn't make it into the states; therefore, there are limited performance parts for it etc. It also has less HP compared to 325 and 330 models.

I am looking for a general fun car that I could do the odd BMWCCA track day/school with - nothing too intensive. I do not need gobs of power, but I don't want a 'bogged down slouch' either, if you know what I mean. I am only considering a manual gearbox, btw.

Would you advise me to steer away from a 320i, even if the specimen I was considering was awesome? If so, why?

Anything specific to look for, or any funkiness to these particular models?

Mod wise, I may go with a CAI and exhaust, that's pretty much it. I presume they come with LSD already?

StraightSix
12-02-2012, 08:43 PM
I'd look for a 325 instead.

Intake and exhaust will probably only give you an extra 5 hp if that. These cars are well designed from the factory. Only mod besides F/I that will give you a noticeable power increase would be headers.

None of the non M e46s have an LSD. Most people swap in the entire rear subframe from the M3 since you can't just swap the diff. The other option is to purchase one from Quaife or Wavetrac but they're expensive.

ac_2007
12-03-2012, 11:04 AM
It will be a slouch, but with a decent suspension it doesn't mean you can't have fun autocrossing it.

Sorry Ralf I gotta disagree with you this time lol..
320/325 are roughly the same animals in terms of power.

320i is usually just a lot more barebones in terms of amenities and parts. Suspension itself is different and geared towards economy. A few parts on the 320 would be considered second line options when compared to the other non-M e46's

If you wanted a decent track car, with a more raw feel out of the box, I'd say E36 M3.

e30svp
12-03-2012, 12:22 PM
Thanks for the insight, guys.

There is also a 'small' concern about breakdowns...

If this car did not make it the US market and it has a breakdown on a road-trip, will I be SOL for parts?

ac_2007
12-03-2012, 02:10 PM
There are too many carry over parts to make that a significant purchase factor.

I'm curious though, why a 320? Its easier and probably cheaper or the same to find 325/330's

e30svp
12-03-2012, 02:56 PM
Simply the specimen I found and the price range...

2002, 70K kms and $6,900.

Looks clean and with little or no rust - checking it out later today.

StraightSix
12-03-2012, 03:13 PM
The reason I said he should look for a 325 is because I think they would be much easier to find. Also, even though the power difference isn't that great, the 325 still manages to get to 100 km/h almost a full second quicker.

Personally, I'd do what Alex said and look for an e36 M3 instead. Their prices have really gone down recently and the come with an LSD stock.

Bforte
05-27-2013, 10:48 AM
So did you end up going with the 320i?

I just picked one up 2 months ago, I'd like to compare notes... let me know.

pocojo68
06-08-2013, 01:12 AM
Hey. I have a 04 320. I have owned it for 4 yrs now, runs and drives great. I have done a few upgrades.

Bforte
06-11-2013, 11:57 AM
Nice... I've had mine for 2 months now and so far, so good. No real upgrades but did the valve cover gasket, plugs, air filter, cabin air filter and camshaft position sensor. Also put some style 68 rims on her.

I'm finding it's a great balance of economy and style, definitely a good choice for a first bimmer. Let me know if you have any advice in terms of maintenance and also winter driving tips. Oh and I'd like to hear what upgrades you have done too.

*th-up*

pocojo68
06-12-2013, 03:36 AM
Wow.I have recently done my vcg at 117k, also oil filter housing gasket.Bought 68s a few yrs ago too. How many kms? What colour? I had it at the dealer last year for tailight recall, the service writer told me that in 9 yrs only had 1 pulley changed for squealing in 06.I still have original battery.This car has been great, my first bimmer too.I hope yours works out as well. I have put parrot bluetooth in swapped airbag for multifunction one for radio and cruise. Homelink for garage door,38$ ebay trunk spoiler, aux for mp3, painted black grilles,and, front & rear sways. Maintainence wise I change my oil at 15000k using castrol 0w-30. I use Mahle filters,oil,air,fuel Napa sells them very inexpensive. You could prob. do brake flush, ps flush and fuel filter. fcabs, perhaps control arms, I will do that next year. Look at your cooling system, I would think about doing an overhaul expansion tank ,waterpump, thermostat , belts, pulleys, hoses. I have replaced my fcabs and my belts and pulleys, just for piece of mind. No issues with cooling system yet.I know it should be done soon.You can go to bimmerwiki for more info. Don't cheap out on parts use OEM, never go to paces like crappy tire etc. Basically just enjoy driving it, I know others might not think much of them ,who cares. Oh, as for winter driving tips, sorry I live in Vancity so no winter here.

Bforte
06-12-2013, 12:22 PM
Mine is a quite a bit higher kms, I bought it with 220K on it for $3K. Previous owner was a Parts Manager at a Porsche dealership in Toronto and had an good service history though. All it needed to cert was new brakes and a new rear brake line.

I did all the stuff with parts from Pelican Parts (less than $100) and did the air filter, cabin air filter and plugs myself. The total bill for all of that stuff came to less than $500 including labour, I figured because it's higher mileage it'd be a good investment. Next up I'll probably put in a new rear sway bar and do a cooling system flush/inspection.

She's a rare stock colour, Tourmaulin Violett, pretty cool and is a bit of a chameleon (looks almost black at night)... funny that you got the 68's too, imo those are the best looking rims on an E46. What colour do you have?

pocojo68
06-14-2013, 04:20 AM
Bforte. I really like that colour. Looks and sounds like you gotta good deal,3k man I paid 13k in 09 with 65k. You got a standard too.*th-up*. Mine is jet black, auto (yawn),so hard to keep clean, swirls etc. 68s rock. I will try to post pics this weekend (weather permitting).

Bforte
06-14-2013, 10:15 AM
Hey thanks man, I like the colour too... it's gotta be one of a handful in Canada. It was a bit of a steal at 3K, I looked at a ton of beat up bimmers for that price before I found this one. That being said between the tires, rims and maintenance I put in another $1500 within the first two months of purchase... on the upside my insurance went down $200/year from my TSX and I get better mileage now too.

The colour is actually also a bit tedious to keep clean... I get out to the car wash pretty regularly lol. The standard is def fun, but off the line acceleration is still a tad sluggish. I find this car shines on a twisting country road going 100-120 km/h... eats those corners alive.

Def try and post some pics, the world can never have enough black bimmers (especially with 68's on)... :D

pocojo68
06-17-2013, 04:32 AM
Hey Bforte. Pics uploaded (sorry about the size). Do you get a hesitation when you punch the accel. quick 5-6 times rapidly when just idleing. I have no codes runs smooth Gradual accel. no problems. Might be normal. Mine is sluggish from a stop too. I have about the same money into mine, mostly mods, air bag, bluetooth, freakin $55 cruise retrofit kit, 75$ aux cable. +1 on corners eh. Just amazing how well it handles even w/o sport suspension. They go good too, had mine up to 170kmh no vibration or rattles, could put a cup of water on dash wouldn't even spill a drop.:D I use the touchless carwash every week, try to touch it as little as possible. Spent 2 days last yr removing swirls and then polish,wax. (HATE BLACK) Looks good clean though.

Bforte
06-17-2013, 11:08 AM
I know the black is hard to maintain... but damn dude it looks effing slick when it's freshly cleaned, the black kidneys are a nice touch too. Pretty jealous you got one with a sunroof... I know the 320's are a bit light on equipment but that's the one option I really wish I had. Either way your car is looking pretty sweet. I usually hit up a coin car wash but I'll keep your advice in mind about touchless if I end up taking it to an auto car wash.

I haven't really tried punching it 5-6 times when idling, I'll give it a shot and let you know. I did just have my camshaft sensor replaced because I got a code and also it was idling a bit high from time to time... if you have that issue too then it might be the cps. As far as regular acceleration I don't get any hesitation, it's just a bit lazy from 0-40km/hr. High speeds are where this car really shines, getting on the highway is a blast and going from 110 to 140 is a breeze. She'll definitely holds a corner like no other car I've driven, for stock suspension I'm pretty impressed. I'd love to get up to 170 km/hr but my driving record won't allow for that (... license suspended a few years back and learned my lesson the hard way, took awhile for the insurance to come back down). If only we had zee autobahn... *rockout*

One more question... what kind of mileage do you get? Mine has been a bit varied depending on my driving style but I'm also wondering how it compares to the auto.

Thanks again for the pics, it's hard to find other 320ers around... yours is definitely looking proper!

pocojo68
06-17-2013, 10:33 PM
Hey.Thank you. I like the kidney's too so many don't. I drive mostly in the city and usually get about 500-20km per tank.I take a trip every yr to see my brother in Fraser Lake 900km from home and I can go 717km with 7 litres litres still left in tank, (Van- Prince George).Driving at 110kmh, so I think that is about 35 mpg?? I was really amazed the first time I drove it there, highway seems great. I'm curious about the diff in milage as well. No sunroof, one less thing to fix when it breaks and leaks.*thmbsdwn*

Bforte
06-18-2013, 10:17 AM
Ya dude those black kidneys are looking sick, I've always had a thing for black bimmers... I was pretty close to buying a black 1995 E34 540i but it was 4hrs away and I said screw it. I noticed you blacked out the badging at the back, at first I thought you'd just debadged it.

I had a feeling I could go 700kms+ but he hiighest I've gotten to is around 680 kms/tank (with about 5L in the tank). I've done some 150-200kms trips at about 115kmh on the cruise and I'll barely use up a quarter tank, the mileage on this car has really surprised me. On average though I'll get between 550-600/tank and that's with 400 km on the hwy, so around 8-9L/100km.

Funny what you said about the sunroof... that's exactly what my mechanic said too!

pocojo68
06-20-2013, 11:02 PM
Hey Bforte. Seems like our fuel economy is similar, and you have almost double the kms I have. Just goes to show you how well these cars are engineered, minus all the cheap plastic parts. HAHA. I got those badges at Bimmian a few yrs ago, now you can just plast-dip em.fcplm If you want, keep posting any mods,repairs etc and I will do the same.

Bforte
06-21-2013, 09:59 AM
I agree, this car feels like it could easily last another 200K if maintained.

Definitely keep me posted on any mods or repairs you'll be doing... had my first touchless car wash yesterday :)

pocojo68
06-24-2013, 01:14 AM
Good stuff*th-up*

mr ilia
07-30-2013, 04:53 PM
Have 320i ever come with a sport package, like suspension, seats and the 3 spoke sheering wheel?

pocojo68
07-30-2013, 06:02 PM
I don' think so. They were intoduced as a entry level bimmer (cheaper ) U could probably factory build one from dealer, but why.

Bforte
07-30-2013, 06:15 PM
pocojo68 is right, the 320i was meant to be a bare bones bimmer... you could prob find a 320i someone has put an M-tech package on, but again why not just buy a E46 328 or 330 for the same price?

pocojo68
07-31-2013, 03:23 AM
Whadda ya think? I just wrapped my door pillars with 3m gloss wrap.I think it turned out pretty good. I got sick and tired of trying to clean them.

Bforte
08-01-2013, 12:01 AM
Nice... gives a metallic finish to the pillars, definitely more shine. Any other mods in mind before summer is over?

Still can't believe the mileage I'm getting with this car... just filled up last night and drove 280kms today (day trip for work), got back home with 3/4 of tank left.

pocojo68
08-01-2013, 05:51 AM
Thanks. It is shiny, thinking satin black might look more original, maybe next time. I'd like to do more mods but I'm saving for cooling and suspension refresh next year. Today in Crappy Tire I found this WIPE NEW, that stuff on TV. I figured what the hell only 20 bucks, well it seems to do what they claim, I'm impressed so far. It's easy to apply just wipe on. Here are some pics. Does a good job on the bumper trim. That is good to hear about your mileage.

juan0724
08-01-2013, 11:23 PM
pocojo68 is right, the 320i was meant to be a bare bones bimmer... you could prob find a 320i someone has put an M-tech package on, but again why not just buy a E46 328 or 330 for the same price?

I have a 320 with factory sport package, i have also seen a few more 320's around with the sport package.

pocojo68
08-01-2013, 11:51 PM
I did say you could order one with whatever you wanted in it, not saying they didn't make any. As I stated before they were a entry level car, so why not buy 325/328 for probably around the same after you start adding extras for a 320.

mr ilia
08-02-2013, 11:14 AM
Too bad BMW never imported 320i as a coupe.

pocojo68
08-02-2013, 11:07 PM
I never even thought about that, until now. fcplm. Why didn't they?

lvan
08-02-2013, 11:35 PM
Too bad BMW never imported 320i as a coupe.

I think they had it in Europe.

Kamanje14
08-02-2013, 11:58 PM
Hey guys I have a "01" 320 which I bought about 14 months ago, the previous owner put a 2.8 engine in it(then he debadged it)..the rest of the car is barebones like someone else mentioned.....the only extras AC and power windows, not sure if there was any alarm system in it? Didn't t even try finding out, this car is so entry level it's not funny, no center arm rest, no fog lights. But fixed up the suspension and breaks with a 2.8 it's not bad to drive around with a standard shift. The body is in great shape, black on black, no chrome, only wheels. Love driving rear wheel standard car again. I will never go back to a front wheel drive (last car vw jetta). Even took it on the Spring Cruse .....there are some beautiful cars members have.

mr ilia
08-03-2013, 11:41 PM
Have 320i ever come with a sport package, like suspension, seats and the 3 spoke sheering wheel?

One for sale:
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2004-BMW-320i-5-Speed-Manual-Black-SUNROOF-Leather-cold-AC-W0QQAdIdZ493926862

pocojo68
08-04-2013, 06:28 AM
One for sale:
http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2004-BMW-320i-5-Speed-Manual-Black-SUNROOF-Leather-cold-AC-W0QQAdIdZ493926862

This car is still very entry level. Only leather seats and 3 spoke with no cruise or radio controls and no suspension.

mr ilia
08-05-2013, 12:09 AM
Sport package,no? Seats, shocks and the steering wheel the items you're after? Steel, a nice 320!, none the less...to bad ths is a pain shwatrz.

pocojo68
08-05-2013, 05:08 AM
Does not have sport suspension,only seats and wheel. Yeah it;s steal for sure.*th-up*

mr ilia
08-15-2013, 04:43 PM
This car is still very entry level. Only leather seats and 3 spoke with no cruise or radio controls and no suspension.

http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAdLargeImage?AdId=493926862

Thry just dropped the price by 1k. I think this is a nice later model 320i.
I think it does worth 4k. Too bad these guys sell all their car "as is". Safety and e-test is extra $799, as they say.

pocojo68
08-17-2013, 03:56 AM
What? Man thats crazy but yeah "as is" is scary. You could dump in a few bucks for maintainence and minor repairs and have a nice car for not alot of money.You're right it looks fine.