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pawelgawel
05-21-2012, 02:45 PM
Im about to the the vcg... should I do my vanos seals??? its not ratteling yet so I just don't feel like spending more $$ and waiting longer on the seals to come in. Does anyone stock them in GTA/ LONDON area??

ac_2007
05-22-2012, 01:05 AM
What's the mileage/year of the vehicle? If you're over 120k, then yes definitely do them.

It doesn't need to rattle for you to notice a healthy rejuvenation of torque.

pawelgawel
05-22-2012, 10:53 AM
'04 330ci 155km,
anyone know who sells the seals here in canada?

ac_2007
05-22-2012, 08:31 PM
Don't know about here in Canada, but either way the vendors here usually charge more than ordering from the states.

Give BimmerBoys a shout first, and go with BeisanSystems if they don't have them ($73 shipped)

andrew.k
05-24-2012, 05:25 PM
Change them. - It's really easy & worth it.

I got mine directly from http://www.beisansystems.com/.

gnome
05-25-2012, 04:29 AM
Ask Rocco @RMP. I ordered mine from Beisen and had Rocco replace them.

ac_2007
05-26-2012, 03:49 AM
Do it yourself. Learn something and save money.

Not a difficult DIY.

mercforhire
05-26-2012, 06:57 AM
I just did my seals last month. Got them directly from that official site. You also need to buy another vanos cheap part for it. Read the DIY guide and you will see.
My car has 210,000 when I did the seals and felt no difference.

pawelgawel
05-26-2012, 11:06 AM
^ i can do it myself... Thats not whay im questionning if i should... But just like mecforhire said je didnt feel the difference, i dont feel like waisting money and time on something thats not really neesed. I hate the fact that people loke us have to pick up the slack for others. 90% of bmw pwners never do it. It only us the fanatics and go beyond what is expected...
Im keeping the car for 2-3 years... Why should i do all the unnecessary work if there wont be any changes.
If this isnt a must do then id rather invest into future problems like sensors orcooling system

xlr8nbimbo
05-26-2012, 11:51 PM
If you do it let me know if you notice any increase in performance.

mercforhire
05-27-2012, 01:54 PM
The old seals on the pistons were plastic-fyed o the pistons were moving up and down pretty much freely. So even though I felt no difference, I know I fixed something.
But if you have less mileage than me and won't keep the car for long. Then no point spending $70 on some rubber seals.

ac_2007
05-27-2012, 05:32 PM
http://forum.e46fanatics.com/showthread.php?t=916013

Depends what your definition of "must do" is. It is preventative maintenance for $70.
You've been given all the information you need to make an informed decision.

blakneto
05-27-2012, 06:45 PM
how often should you change these? or if you change them, you don't have to ever do it again?

pawelgawel
05-27-2012, 07:55 PM
anyone order from here??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-Twin-Double-Dual-VANOS-seals-repair-upgrade-kit-M52-M54-M56-Viton-PTFE-/150812630214?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231d221cc6

I just cant understand how couple seals can cost $75 with shipping when they cost less then $10 in reality. If I had the measurements Id go to a specialty store and get them... or order a 100 pieces and sell them for $40 shipped.

Does anyone have actual measurements?

mercforhire
05-28-2012, 08:53 PM
It's called research fee. The guy spent loads of time and money finding and solving this problem.

pawelgawel
05-28-2012, 09:35 PM
I understand the whole part into actually researching (which has been done years ago by actual manufacturers) and putting time into finding someone to copy the teflon seals and the orings... But let be real about this... With increase in demend the cost should drop allong with the cost of multi manufacturing. Most likely it cost less then a couple of dollars to make up the kit.

Like many people have tried before.. As long as i have the measurements i can get these seals locally much cheaper. The problem is willing to release this secret so people just get the kit and forget about about it. If anyone is willing to lend me their old seals id be willing to get some kits for the Canadians

pawelgawel
05-29-2012, 10:12 AM
... ok I hate my phone....

the problem is people are not willing to share this secret of measuremnts and so many just get this kit for $60 and get over it.

If someone has the old ones or new, I can find someone who can make it out of the right material.

blakneto
05-29-2012, 12:39 PM
anyone order from here??
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-Twin-Double-Dual-VANOS-seals-repair-upgrade-kit-M52-M54-M56-Viton-PTFE-/150812630214?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item231d221cc6

I just cant understand how couple seals can cost $75 with shipping when they cost less then $10 in reality. If I had the measurements Id go to a specialty store and get them... or order a 100 pieces and sell them for $40 shipped.

Does anyone have actual measurements?

Don't buy from UK... unless the shipping is CHEAP! you'll get killed on the duty fees unless they send it as a gift.

pawelgawel
05-29-2012, 12:47 PM
Its free shipping. Duties are 13% so about $6.. Not sure about handling charges

mercforhire
05-29-2012, 09:34 PM
pawelgawel got a good point.
Thinking about it, I think the guy have already made half a million or more on these seals already.
Profit: $50 x 10,000 Sales approximate.

ac_2007
05-31-2012, 05:46 PM
Someone has to pay for research and development. Don't forget the (FREE) precious instructions you follow on their website to do you own DIY.

If it was my website, I would only allow customers with a code to have access to the information.

pawelgawel
05-31-2012, 06:04 PM
Ok... I understand that research takes time and effort. I dont argue the fact that they should make profit for the time they invested.
But in this capitalist society, theory states with increase in demand and increase in supply, the price should fall. But in this instance the equalibrium is not adjusted and price is being determined not by the market but by monopolizing the product.

If more people made this product the price would be adjusted with compatition. Hance why I would be very interested in providing such a product to fellow Canadians.

Research was not done by them but by the actual manufacturers of silicone amd rubber. Its not which difficult to see which material withstands higher temperatures. Internet has plenty information on that. and as long as you have the actual copy of the seals and orings... Any supplier will make it for you especially if you order in large sum.

They have sold thousands of the kits by now and have not adjusted the price due to the fact that there ia no one else doing them.

Again...

Does anyone have a set i could borrow or even purchase old set?

blakneto
05-31-2012, 07:35 PM
I am not trying to be a hater... but...

You drive a BMW.

But yet you refuse to pay $60 for a item that will save you thousands, because of some slight against capitalism??

Again... YOU DRIVE A BMW!

Brother... don't let me ever catch you drunk in a bar, dry humping some MILF looking chick! :p

pawelgawel
05-31-2012, 09:43 PM
^
A) please enlighten me how it will save me THOUSANDS?
B) get off your pedastal... Bmw is just a car with regular car problems...
C) of you dont want to contribute with decent comments stop trillin...
And finally
D) there is a reason why im driving a 330, i save my money by doing my own work and try to save on items such as these little orings that are well overpriced.

blakneto
06-01-2012, 03:09 AM
^
A) please enlighten me how it will save me THOUSANDS?
B) get off your pedastal... Bmw is just a car with regular car problems...
C) of you dont want to contribute with decent comments stop trillin...
And finally
D) there is a reason why im driving a 330, i save my money by doing my own work and try to save on items such as these little orings that are well overpriced.

A - dont bother changing the rings and find out. Do a google search... Change the rings and you get better mileage and less vanos failure.

B - i am not on a pedastal... Which in english we call PEDESTAL. I am in a 325i. If you wanna compare bmws to "other" cars fine with me... Just don't make spelling mistakes when you "attempt" to argue intelligently...

C - Who is trillin? I am commenting...

D - if you wanted to save money... You wouldn't drive a 330i... Or a bmw... Or whine about $60 on a bunch of rings.

Like i said from the start... I am not trying to be a hater... But... You drive a BMW...

*uzi*

Let there be peace...

pawelgawel
06-01-2012, 09:05 AM
Ok… Bro...

Let me give you a piece of advice, don’t call anyone Bro or Brother unless you actually know them.
Im not going to argue your lame ass points, its not worth my efforts. I don’t know how old you are or how many years of life experience you have with cars but it shows.
To get in touch with reality on automotive market in general here is what you should do:
Call around insurance companies and parts stores and compare your average Japanese cars, Mazdas Hondas Acuras… to your BMW. There is a financial reason why I chose a 330.
As for your ‘thousands of dollars’ remark… please school me on what will happen to my godly 330 if I don’t change the seals at 150k? or 200k? or 250k? like 90% of all BMW owners. I don’t track it… its not an m3.
and again... I DO want to change them...
Sorry for being a jack ass but seriously consider what you write before clicking that button.

Now back to the topic….

I would LOVE to find a better solution than paying out $75 for a couple of seals and gaskets, and maybe even give other options for those in Canada. If anyone has Old hardware I could use for comparison reasons I can pay for it as well. I have only one car so I kind of need it running.

blakneto
06-01-2012, 01:37 PM
Whatever bro... :p
Quit your crying and go hide under your mothers skirt. :p

What ever I don't know about cars, you out shine in your stupidity.

Like I said... You drive a BMW.

Either pay it or don't...

pawelgawel
06-01-2012, 01:42 PM
again... all you know how to do is talk trash and you cant support your statements.


Im trying to help others at the same time. If I can find someone to get these seals, everyone can save money and time.

blakneto
06-01-2012, 03:47 PM
Good luck with that... And if the dude placed a patent on his design and you copy it then what? If you make the rings and they end up damaging someone"s car are YOU prepared to cover those kind of costs?

$60 vs some Tim Tool Time corner cutter?
I'll take the $60.

#TheEnd!

pawelgawel
06-01-2012, 05:35 PM
^ prime example how much you know about this.

Thats right... Ill sprinkle some magic dust on it... Same one as beisansystems sprincle on theirs ;-)

Educate yourself before you type... Stop trolling

blakneto
06-01-2012, 06:17 PM
:p we shall see impotent one... we shall see...