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motion
10-30-2010, 05:19 PM
hey guys.
i am a long time lurker first time poster.

i just recently picked up a 1995 325i m package and i am interested in getting the car to the bodyshop to get work done on it. however i am wondering if someone can assist me with some questions...

can someone tell me the difference between the pre and post lift e36's exterior???

i have an m package 4dr so it already comes with all the m exterior and red clear tails however the front end (grille and nose) are missing on it.

from what i read on some of the posts they are what seems to be the exterior difference. is this true??

anyone have a picture on the two front ends that would show me the difference???

SickFinga
10-31-2010, 01:47 AM
up to 96 grill
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/1862/3901/29654450017_large.jpg

97+ grill
http://www.m3addict.com/whats-good/wp-content/gallery/e36-bmw-m3-pictures/e36-bmw-m3-001.jpg

motion
10-31-2010, 02:00 AM
perfect. thanks alot its all i needed to know.

richie_s999
10-31-2010, 08:13 AM
I have the post 96 grills on my 93, not sure if they are interchangable as they came on the car, but there was no cutting of the panel

craz azn
10-31-2010, 12:12 PM
^ Yours are aftermarket dude, not OEM.

doogee
10-31-2010, 01:07 PM
I have the post 96 grills on my 93, not sure if they are interchangable as they came on the car, but there was no cutting of the panel

Ya you have the weird boxy type. I don't think they even come close to the 96+ grill.

doogee
10-31-2010, 01:31 PM
i have an m package 4dr

What the hell is M Package? There's no such thing.

richie_s999
10-31-2010, 01:40 PM
What the hell is M Package? There's no such thing.

That's what I thought, have seen few people saying it in e36 for sale posts.

325isdan
10-31-2010, 02:13 PM
Im pretty sure M Package was an option..

Hatchbacks came with it.


I think its everything the M came with minus the motor.

doogee
10-31-2010, 02:15 PM
Im pretty sure M Package was an option..

Hatchbacks came with it.


I think its everything the M came with minus the motor.


Hahaha there's no way they'd do that! No such thing.

motion
10-31-2010, 03:21 PM
thats exactly what i got.
it came with everything m minus motor.
its definately not the first car i have seen like this.
i saw one few years ago at a bodyshop and i thought it was a real m3 sedan but it turned out to be just a package as per the owner.

i picked my car up from the original owner and he never modified the car if anything he down tuned it. lol.

i checked all the parts out and they are all genuine parts (OEM).

325isdan
10-31-2010, 03:21 PM
Sorry.. Apperance wise.

M is different than M3.


You could buy an M E30 which is different than an M3 E30. Same goes with all models I believe.

doogee
10-31-2010, 03:24 PM
Are you talking about an M-Technik version?

I'n sure there is no "M package" but you could have an M Technic.

What logo is on your Side mouldings.

325isdan
10-31-2010, 03:41 PM
I think M Technic would be different than M. M does not mean M3/5/6.

richie_s999
10-31-2010, 03:46 PM
So this car has the same suspension, brakes, subfame reinforcements ect as an M3 just with an M50??

Or is it an apperance package that had side skirts and moldings??

325isdan
10-31-2010, 03:49 PM
I think it is just apperance only.

Skirt kit + wheels + maybe interior difference ie sport seats over comfort seats.

motion
10-31-2010, 04:53 PM
the badge on the side of the moulding is the M badge.
i am not sure about the differences between the mtechnik and and stuff. but here is what i have....

front m bumper with lip and fogs along with scoops from the vents leading up to the air box i believe.

side skirts and side mouldings with m bagdge also m3 mirrors

rear valance and m spoiler and double tip exhaust.
it has red clear oem tails and smoked oem side markers and corners are clear all bearing oem markings.
says 325i M on it

car looks a tiny bit lower then the other stock e36's i have seen yet the suspension appears to be lower.

the rims are m wheels aswell,

interior wise the car looks stock but i have never owned another e36 for me to compare it that much.

motion
10-31-2010, 04:55 PM
my car looks like this minus the rims

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/M3_E36_Sedan.jpg/800px-M3_E36_Sedan.jpg

motion
10-31-2010, 04:57 PM
is there anyway to varyfiy this through the bmw network??
another reason why i believe this is authentic (mteknik or m package or whatever it may be) is because the owner i bought it from is about 50 years old and the guy had no interested in the car to have it modified. It still had the factory radio in it.

richie_s999
10-31-2010, 05:01 PM
Could have been a 325 that a previous owner put all the M peices onto, Which is commn to do, my 325is came with an M front bumper and now has DSII M3 rims.

What year is the car?

doogee
10-31-2010, 05:04 PM
The fact that you say it says 325 M on it, means it isn't legit. There is NO such thing as a 325 M.

Someone put the badge on it themselves.

motion
10-31-2010, 05:04 PM
its 1995.
the owner i bought it from is the original owner. He told me he bought it from the dealer that way. He didnt remember much about the transaction since it was bought in 1994 he said.

motion
10-31-2010, 05:05 PM
The fact that you say it says 325 M on it, means it isn't legit. There is NO such thing as a 325 M.

Someone put the badge on it themselves.

i have no clue. actually i think it says m 325 on it. i got to go downstairs to my basement to check that tho.

doogee
10-31-2010, 05:05 PM
i have no clue. actually i think it says m 325 on it. i got to go downstairs to my basement to check that tho.

Either way, there is no such thing.

motion
10-31-2010, 05:06 PM
is it possible to buy the car with all the m3 sedan exterior parts when getting it from the dealer? cuz he said he never modified it and i believe him since the car is not in to good of a shape (everything shows unified wear). the paint on all the parts is oem without repaint etc...

doogee
10-31-2010, 05:08 PM
is it possible to buy the car with all the m3 sedan exterior parts when getting it from the dealer? cuz he said he never modified it and i believe him since the car is not in to good of a shape (everything shows unified wear). the paint on all the parts is oem without repaint etc...

Yup it's possible. That would make it an "M-Technik" version.

motion
10-31-2010, 05:08 PM
the pic i posted above is that what an authentic m3 sedan would look like?
cuz mine looks exactly like it.

richie_s999
10-31-2010, 05:09 PM
The only M cars in 94 were the eurospec ones that were litteraly slipped through a customs lope hole. North American M3's did not arrive till 95, so chances are it's a 325i that had the body peices put on. It's all good though still probley a sweet ride

You can try putting the vin into www.realoem.com and see what comes up

motion
10-31-2010, 05:09 PM
Yup it's possible. That would make it an "M-Technik" version.

if i were to give my vin to the dealer and say i wanted to buy the front bumper would they give me the regular front bumper or the m bumper?? is there some kind of record they keep so they know if its an m teknik etc???

motion
10-31-2010, 05:10 PM
so an m technik car would consist of what exactly???

doogee
10-31-2010, 05:11 PM
if i were to give my vin to the dealer and say i wanted to buy the front bumper would they give me the regular front bumper or the m bumper?? is there some kind of record they keep so they know if its an m teknik etc???

Go to the dealer with the VIN and tell them you want the original options list. They'll print it out and it'll explain everything *th-up*

Sounds like the owner paid extra for the MTechnik, which includes all the M3 appearances.

Some 1999 328is came with this as well.

motion
10-31-2010, 05:13 PM
perfect. i will do that and tell you guys whats the deal on this car lol.

btw can the 2 dr vaders be put into the sedans?

doogee
10-31-2010, 05:15 PM
perfect. i will do that and tell you guys whats the deal on this car lol.

btw can the 2 dr vaders be put into the sedans?

Yup. But they aren't as comfortable.

motion
10-31-2010, 05:36 PM
oh ic.
thanks alot for all the help guys.

craigIS
10-31-2010, 07:05 PM
I think people get confused with M tech, and M package, but I think they mean the same thing when they talk about an E36 with M package. I know it is called M tech, but when I talk to people I say M package.

The Vaders I think are very comfortable. It's personal preference when it comes to comfort. The front Vaders from a coupe can be installed in a 4 dr, but not the rear seats.

SickFinga
10-31-2010, 07:29 PM
1. Yes, it is possible that your car came with all the M look stuff on it. But it did not come like that from the factory, it could be an accessory installed by the dealer.
2. There was a rare 325is M-Tech in 1994 that was very similar to the European Clubsport package car with M goodies from the factory, but they were all coupes.
3. North American cars never had clear corners from the factory.
4. M badge on your trunk also did not come from the factory, but could've been installed by the dealer. Again as an accessory.

tWeeKed
11-01-2010, 02:34 PM
The first e36 i purchased was a 92 318is M sport package. full leather interior, dual climate control, heated seats/mirrors/windshield washer nozzles, double spoiler in the rear, no clear corners, sedan rear brakes, lower suspension, no block heater, no M mirrors or front end.

It was the first year of the e36 if im not mistakin so i dunno if that accounts for the missing front bumper,mrriors and plastic sideskirts?

Oh the car was bought off original lady owner.

hope this helps out.

doogee
11-01-2010, 02:41 PM
The first e36 i purchased was a 92 318is M sport package. full leather interior, dual climate control, heated seats/mirrors/windshield washer nozzles, double spoiler in the rear, no clear corners, sedan rear brakes, lower suspension, no block heater, no M mirrors or front end.

It was the first year of the e36 if im not mistakin so i dunno if that accounts for the missing front bumper,mrriors and plastic sideskirts?

Oh the car was bought off original lady owner.

hope this helps out.

No!

You had sport package! Why does everyone have to throw an M in front? LOL

Willycool
11-01-2010, 10:08 PM
Respectfully, I would urge you to take Doogee’s advice as gospel…. I have never known anyone who is so knowledgeable about the e36 BMW. Every time I have a question or a problem he is kind enough to help me out…..and I can tell you from experience, he knows it all…….. Even the BMW mechanics call Doogee for advice…… no exaggeration here!!!! I have witnessed it myself.

He is a valuable recourse and thank God he does not charge for his knowledge!!


Cheers,

Willy

craigIS
11-01-2010, 11:44 PM
No!

You had sport package! Why does everyone have to throw an M in front? LOL

It's true!

One easy way to tell that you have Sport Package is by the front seats. If bottom of your seat extends, it's a sport seat, which means you have Sport Package.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

JvzwetE36325
11-02-2010, 10:58 AM
I believe you're right, my car is a 95i w/sport pkg, it has the seat extension *th-up*

richie_s999
11-02-2010, 03:47 PM
It's true!

One easy way to tell that you have Sport Package is by the front seats. If bottom of your seat extends, it's a sport seat, which means you have Sport Package.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

wrong, someone could have changed the seats from another car, or you could get sport or comfort seats with any car

worst thing is all these packages are are "apperance" packages, nothing suspension, brake, driveline is different.

SickFinga
11-02-2010, 06:59 PM
worst thing is all these packages are are "apperance" packages, nothing suspension, brake, driveline is different.

Not true, suspension is slightly different.

richie_s999
11-02-2010, 10:06 PM
Not true, suspension is slightly different.

In what way were are they different??

doogee
11-02-2010, 10:07 PM
In what way were are they different??

Lower and Stiffer. So different springs and shocks. Hence the "Sport" in "Sport Package"

richie_s999
11-02-2010, 10:18 PM
Lower and Stiffer. So different springs and shocks. Hence the "Sport" in "Sport Package"

So these are different suspension then the IS versions. I don't remember seeing an option on realoem.

doogee
11-02-2010, 10:24 PM
All the "IS" in the badge means is coupe. Yes it does stand for "Injection Sport" or whatever but it doesn't mean the car has Sport package.


Sports Package suspension is described by BMW as "M Sports Suspension"

Includes different shocks, springs and a bigger rear sway bar. Maybe some other things I don't recall at the moment.

ACS_DAN
11-02-2010, 10:24 PM
Nope, wasn't Dependant on if it was an "Is" or "I". There is sport package suspension though, sits a touch lower, stiffer not sure. Maybe somebody else can chime in on that.

JvzwetE36325
11-02-2010, 10:29 PM
That must be 96+ I havent seen much of a difference between most e36`s that are bone stock other then wheels, paint, interior, and a spoiler on the iS. I could be wrong though. I just dont recall bmw offering different suspension setups post 96

doogee
11-02-2010, 10:30 PM
That must be 96+ I havent seen much of a difference between most e36`s that are bone stock other then wheels, paint, interior, and a spoiler on the iS. I could be wrong though. I just dont recall bmw offering different suspension setups post 96

You might be right. I don't have a ton of experience with anything 95 or older.

SickFinga
11-02-2010, 11:10 PM
That must be 96+ I havent seen much of a difference between most e36`s that are bone stock other then wheels, paint, interior, and a spoiler on the iS. I could be wrong though. I just dont recall bmw offering different suspension setups post 96


It's not just for the 96+ cars.
The difference is not that big between sport and regular suspension.
Sport suspension is 15mm lower in the front and 11mm lower in the back.

richie_s999
11-03-2010, 06:34 AM
K been to realoem.com, the 325is was the north american 325, in Europe they had
a 325i coupe and sedan,

here is the full list of options for an E36 coupe...

316i
318is
320i
323i
325i
325is
328i
M3

Daneee
11-03-2010, 07:54 AM
the "motorsport" suspension came with Bilstein shocks/struts
the regular with Sachs or later with Boge shocks/struts
FRONT SPRING STRUT/SHOCK ABSORBER
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG23&mospid=47485&btnr=31_0420&hg=31&fg=10

MOTORSPORT CHASSIS SPRING STRUT
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG23&mospid=47485&btnr=31_0243&hg=31&fg=10

richie_s999
11-03-2010, 08:03 AM
k so this option was avalinle on all E36's even the 4 cyl cars. I remember when I got my E36 it had stock springs, and people thought it was lowered, this may explain it, I almost want to open the front struts to see whats there!!!!

Dr. Flyview
11-03-2010, 01:43 PM
Yup, my sport package 325i seems to be lower than others.