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5style
06-10-2010, 11:53 AM
What a day, i was ready to shoot myself in the head by the end of yesterday.

So i decided to slap on my m3 brakes on the front, finally. I looked at the spindles and thought ok the m3 ones have noisy bearings, so i ll just use my stock spindles, they look the same. Fastforward, everything is in pieces, i ll just install the rotor and caliper braket kekekekeke. FAIL they differ afterall.

So i ended up ripping the spindles off, tore the rubber more on my already disinigrating balljoints, stripped a tie rod bolt AND AND AND broke one bleeder valve. LOL

Then it started to rain, so i had to toss everything into the garage and the e28's battery went flat , so i couldn t boost it and it sat on the street all night . LOL WTF

Thank god for pelican parts! Anyways, now comes the question: How hard are the wheel bearings to do?

I am about to run out for a tierod, so thats one issue solved. Bleeder i ll steal off the rears and once its on and safe i ll go pick up a new one for the rear.

Balljoints i have to order and i ll order a new tierod for the other side as well as its much cheaper on pelican but i can't have my car grounded for 2 weeks.


Also, how hard are the front A arm balljoints to do? they have some kind of clip mechanism?


Finally, pics coming. before and afters.

Now i have a set of perfect 318 320 325 spindles , calipers, abs sensors , rotors, carriers for sale , minus pads, as they were TOAST

Bullet Ride
06-10-2010, 12:45 PM
Also, how hard are the front A arm balljoints to do? they have some kind of clip mechanism?


They are probably pressed into the control arm.

propr'one
06-10-2010, 02:05 PM
They are pressed into the control arm.

fixed

5style
06-10-2010, 02:44 PM
They are probably pressed into the control arm.

k, where do i go get that done? The ball joints are super cheap

sloveniaboy
06-10-2010, 02:58 PM
sorry to hear about the troubles, but I agree with you, PelicanParts is a saviour....

as for the job, front bearings are sold with the hub assembly, no pressing required, just pull old hub off and put new hub on. Only issue you might incur here is a hub that is a pain to come off and a bearing race left behind that needs to be taken off via various methods (dremel,air chisel,flathead,puller, watever you want). Dont forget to grab a new dust cover for the rear of the hub and cover for the front as well as a new retaining nut (new one will require dremel to cut retaining tabs)

if the control arm is a 3 series, the outer ball joint can be replaced (clip removed and pressed in). If you have the money, might as well go with M3 control arms via PelicanParts which have stronger ball joints and are supposedly beefier. (i didnt notice any difference in thickness or design other than slight geometry changes) Swaybar can still mount to the M3 control arm. Now would also be a good time to look at the control arms bushings.

*th-up*

Bullet Ride
06-10-2010, 04:03 PM
maybe go take a look at these
http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133461
install some poly bushings and you're good to go!

kenmar
06-10-2010, 11:05 PM
What a day, i was ready to shoot myself in the head by the end of yesterday.


This is why I went with the E46 330i front brakes instead: I didn't want to bother with taking the spindle off. With the 330i front brakes, you just swap the rotors, calipers, carriers and pads. Just as big as the M3 front brakes, but the rotors are slightly thinner.

BTW, with www.autopartsway.ca you can get your parts within a couple of days. Prices aren't as good as Pelican, but the next best thing. And no brokerage or customs duties!

5style
06-11-2010, 12:18 AM
Oh shit, Slovaniaboy thanks for the write up, thats what I figured.


Kenmar, Thanks for the link! checking it out.


Lastly pics coming lol.

5style
06-11-2010, 12:32 AM
Before:
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3783/57348882.jpg
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6475/62945309.jpg

After:

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/7523/23632980.jpg

gotta rip the wheels off again tomorrow so better afters to come, and then its the rear swap and booster, gulp.

doogee
06-11-2010, 02:02 AM
gotta rip the wheels off again tomorrow so better afters to come, and then its the rear swap and booster, gulp.

You don't need to change the booster, but you'll want to change the master cylinder.

If your brake line is the same as a 328, it won't fit the M3 master cylinder and you'll have to fab up a custom line.

kenmar
06-11-2010, 09:47 AM
You don't need to change the booster, but you'll want to change the master cylinder.

If your brake line is the same as a 328, it won't fit the M3 master cylinder and you'll have to fab up a custom line.


Is this brake line issue only a problem with the 328? I haven't put in an M3 M/C yet on my 325i, but intereested in the details. Is it even an issue on the 325i? I heard that if you replace both the booster and the M/C together then you don't have to do this?

doogee
06-11-2010, 10:12 AM
Is this brake line issue only a problem with the 328? I haven't put in an M3 M/C yet on my 325i, but intereested in the details. Is it even an issue on the 325i? I heard that if you replace both the booster and the M/C together then you don't have to do this?

The brake booster doesnt have anything to do with it. It's actually just a problem with one of the lines that runs from the MC to the ABS Pump. I'll look into it further.

With my buddies, we just took the line out, cut off the flare, then tapped out the M3 fitting the fit the 328 line, and re-flared.

5style
06-11-2010, 01:34 PM
You don't need to change the booster, but you'll want to change the master cylinder.

If your brake line is the same as a 328, it won't fit the M3 master cylinder and you'll have to fab up a custom line.

i meant master cylinder lelele

DriveItSideways
06-11-2010, 02:02 PM
If that was my car, id be paying attention to the red bumper rather than upgrading brakes.

votexgti
06-11-2010, 04:15 PM
If that was my car, id be paying attention to the red bumper rather than upgrading brakes.

Some people want performance, others just want to look good.

mirek
06-11-2010, 04:47 PM
If that was my car, id be paying attention to the red bumper rather than upgrading brakes.


*th-up**th-up**th-up* that red bumper looks retarded

DriveItSideways
06-11-2010, 05:18 PM
Some people want performance, others just want to look good.


edit:
M3 brakes on an e36 318 is like fitting nike shoes on an elephant.

5style
06-12-2010, 02:01 AM
edit:
M3 brakes on an e36 318 is like fitting nike shoes on an elephant.

Paint is more important. i never want to be in front of you, ever.

5style
06-12-2010, 02:07 AM
*th-up**th-up**th-up* that red bumper looks retarded
Because Fil or Tom don't have a million e36 with massive rims and awesome paint WITHOUT front ends because they weren't able to bring their mass to a stop in time and rear ended other cars. Think a lil before you type.

5style
06-12-2010, 02:26 AM
The 318 is not a e36, it is a super leggera fiberglass lookalike that weighs 400lbs and can stop on bicycle brakes. There is no reason to upgrade.:rolleyes:


It is perfect with candle lights, bicycle wheels and a moped motor. Or wait, maybe its relatively close in weight ( about 400lbs diff) to the m3.:idea:

DriveItSideways
06-12-2010, 01:15 PM
Or wait, maybe its relatively close in weight ( about 400lbs diff) to the m3.:idea:


Close in weight, not in performance. Why do you need such good stoppers with such poor engine performance? stock 318 brakes do the job easily.

to each there own.

propr'one
06-12-2010, 03:05 PM
^^if i were to track a 318 i'd probably do M3 brakes in front.

HavocSteve
06-12-2010, 03:20 PM
Could never go wrong with more stopping power. Not to mention the little engine upgrades that he could do now because his car will stop.

someguy
06-12-2010, 09:21 PM
I think you can justify it this way: It doesn't matter whether you have an M3 or 318, both can reach really high speeds but one just might take longer. When you're going 200 and you need to stop, it doesn't really matter what engine you have.

5style
06-13-2010, 01:09 AM
I think you can justify it this way: It doesn't matter whether you have an M3 or 318, both can reach really high speeds but one just might take longer. When you're going 200 and you need to stop, it doesn't really matter what engine you have.

This no longer applies to me, but because I want to actively pursue the track, I want stopping.


As for 318 slow this that and the other, again, i digress, larger rims, more rotational mass, more braking force required.

richie_s999
06-13-2010, 02:48 PM
Close in weight, not in performance. Why do you need such good stoppers with such poor engine performance? stock 318 brakes do the job easily.

to each there own.

any true builder will do brake and suspension mods first. He's driving a BMW which is a car for handling not light to light blasts.

power is nothing without control

DriveItSideways
06-16-2010, 11:59 AM
any true builder will do brake and suspension mods first. He's driving a BMW which is a car for handling not light to light blasts.

power is nothing without control

point taken, hear me out now.

Would a true "track car" builder put oversized wheels on an already heavy/slow car? and then try to justify that with bigger brakes?

You tell me what a true "Builder" would do.

richie_s999
06-16-2010, 01:02 PM
point taken, hear me out now.

Would a true "track car" builder put oversized wheels on an already heavy/slow car? and then try to justify that with bigger brakes?



You tell me what a true "Builder" would do.


Handling and braking are more important then huge power getting around a track.

Anybody who has ever seen a car with better suspension and brakes has seen this that's watched racing or been at a track.

Drag racing, ya drop in huge hp and hang on, but you still got to set up your suspension to get that power down, brakes don't mean a thing

drifting, Huge power with suspension set up to allow then car to break loose, mostly driver skill, but it's not racing, it's more show

track racing, brakes and supension, getting closer to start your apex and being able to carry more speed through it, and getting outa the corner is what it's about, you carry a car at say 100km through a corner compaired to 70km you don't need the extra power when you come out of the corner. Once your capable of handling a few thousand pounds at full speed that's when you add power, unless you can use it, it's usless.

Best way to be fast on a track. Education and experience!!

T.Dot_E30
06-16-2010, 01:34 PM
Rich, what mike is trying to say is that it would make more sense for him to get smaller/lighter wheels. Which is better for handling and performance.

Instead the OP is putting on heavy 17'' wheels, with heavy rotors and rotational mass for his poor 318 to turn.

A more sensible solution would have been to get some light 15s or 16s, and upgrade the pads and rotors. Try to reduce the weight a little, and he'd have a better track car than a 318 with 17s and m3 brakes.

Also people have different priories, he prefers to drive around with a red front bumper and have m3 brakes. Where as some would prefer to have a well maintained and clean car before doing upgrades, to each their own. I'm sure he is doing the best he could with what he has.

Me personally wouldn't have dumped money into m3 bumpers, m3 brakes, m3 suspension, m3 vadars, m3 this, m3 that.

Add it all up and your better off buying an m3, hell that rebuilt one sold for $7 i think not to long ago.

richie_s999
06-16-2010, 01:39 PM
point taken, hear me out now.

Would a true "track car" builder put oversized wheels on an already heavy/slow car? and then try to justify that with bigger brakes?

You tell me what a true "Builder" would do.

just saw the over sized wheels thing, yes bigger rims and tires are generally used at the track, bigger the contact patch the better, also the stickier the better too, taction is the key, and at speed, scariest thing ever is when your brakes fade, brake upgrades can help with this, its safer, and faster all at the same time. the less time your slowing your car down, the more time your steering it and putting power down.

I don't think he'd be running the style 5's on the track, but if he did, he's still better off with better brakes.

richie_s999
06-16-2010, 01:42 PM
Rich, what mike is trying to say is that it would make more sense for him to get smaller/lighter wheels. Which is better for handling and performance.

Instead the OP is putting on heavy 17'' wheels, with heavy rotors and rotational mass for his poor 318 to turn.

A more sensible solution would have been to get some light 15s or 16s, and upgrade the pads and rotors. Try to reduce the weight a little, and he'd have a better track car than a 318 with 17s and m3 brakes.

Also people have different priories, he prefers to drive around with a red front bumper and have m3 brakes. Where as some would prefer to have a well maintained and clean car before doing upgrades, to each their own. I'm sure he is doing the best he could with what he has.

Me personally wouldn't have dumped money into m3 bumpers, m3 brakes, m3 suspension, m3 vadars, m3 this, m3 that.

Add it all up and your better off buying an m3, hell that rebuilt one sold for $7 i think not to long ago.

and I herd that the white 4 door that was squished went for under $3000, wish I coulda grabbed it, and swapped the driveline and suspesion into my car!!

Sounds like he's grabbing stuff as it comes up at a decent price, will be intersting to see how his car turns out after sometime

Trev how's the car doing now that the coil overs are settling?

richie_s999
06-16-2010, 01:50 PM
And if the op is looking for some trackable rims he shoul grab those 16 bbs's that are for sale for 550 for 5 of them. One of the few 16's that will clear m3 brakes.

bmwm5lover
06-16-2010, 01:58 PM
Close in weight, not in performance. Why do you need such good stoppers with such poor engine performance? stock 318 brakes do the job easily.

to each there own.

Such ricer mentality.

300whp civics on stock drums. you haz one, right???*thmbsdwn*

richie_s999
06-16-2010, 02:16 PM
Such ricer mentality.

300whp civics on stock drums. you haz one, right???*thmbsdwn*

ROFL. Bout time we found common ground. lol

DriveItSideways
06-16-2010, 02:42 PM
Such ricer mentality.

300whp civics on stock drums. you haz one, right???*thmbsdwn*

One? Try 3, plus a prelude. Along with the 20 something other cars in my name.

I also have a c230, 528, shitrover, a legacy that just blew up on me, matrix, dodge p/up, two trailers, and a bunch of scrap/parts cars.

So im pretty close to the 30 mark all said and done. *wave*


What was that you were saying about ricer? ;)

DriveItSideways
06-16-2010, 02:46 PM
^^if i were to track a 318 i'd probably do M3 brakes in front.

Im not a bmw pro, but I would assume that m3 brakes on front ONLY would cause huge nose dive.

richie_s999
06-16-2010, 03:59 PM
Im not a bmw pro, but I would assume that m3 brakes on front ONLY would cause huge nose dive.

I'd say it's fixed weight I anything as in it doesn't add transitional weight when brakes are applied. Bigger brakes allow for a softer squeaze of the pedal because of a greater amount of friction between the larger pads and rotors which lowers the amount of "dive" Brakes should never be punched or hit, it's a squeeze to scrub off speed and keep the car balanced before entering the start of a corner.

bmwm5lover
06-16-2010, 04:57 PM
One? Try 3, plus a prelude. Along with the 20 something other cars in my name.

I also have a c230, 528, shitrover, a legacy that just blew up on me, matrix, dodge p/up, two trailers, and a bunch of scrap/parts cars.

So im pretty close to the 30 mark all said and done. *wave*


What was that you were saying about ricer? ;)

Apparently, reading also ownz you. I didn't say you are a ricer, just that you seem to have the mentality of most.

You approach towards the whole conversation was incorrect. You started attacking someone and their efforts and then arguing your point as being the most correct, where there is several different approaches towards the same end result.

OP has scored a good deal on M3 breaks, let him put them on and be happy. Perhaps he is slowly getting his car ready for an engine swap? Perhaps he wants better breaking (as richie mentioned), etc.

btw, nice to stoop low, yet again and take a stab at Rovers...:rolleyes:

Axxe
06-16-2010, 05:43 PM
Apparently, reading also ownz you. I didn't say you are a ricer, just that you seem to have the mentality of most.

You approach towards the whole conversation was incorrect. You started attacking someone and their efforts and then arguing your point as being the most correct, where there is several different approaches towards the same end result.

OP has scored a good deal on M3 breaks, let him put them on and be happy. Perhaps he is slowly getting his car ready for an engine swap? Perhaps he wants better breaking (as richie mentioned), etc.

btw, nice to stoop low, yet again and take a stab at Rovers...:rolleyes:

He's going to threaten you now, because he's a real grown up *th-up*

DriveItSideways
06-16-2010, 06:44 PM
Apparently, reading also ownz you. I didn't say you are a ricer, just that you seem to have the mentality of most.

You approach towards the whole conversation was incorrect. You started attacking someone and their efforts and then arguing your point as being the most correct, where there is several different approaches towards the same end result.

OP has scored a good deal on M3 breaks, let him put them on and be happy. Perhaps he is slowly getting his car ready for an engine swap? Perhaps he wants better breaking (as richie mentioned), etc.

btw, nice to stoop low, yet again and take a stab at Rovers...:rolleyes:


Speaking of reading problems, in my first or second post I clearly stated "to each there own". The op made a post and I stated my opinion on it.

I can take a stab at rovers since I own one.

DriveItSideways
06-16-2010, 07:17 PM
He's going to threaten you now, because he's a real grown up *th-up*

Hey look it's the hall monitor, better go tell a mod that some one said a bad word on the Internet.

5style
06-17-2010, 01:36 AM
What a shitstorm!!!!

Lets try this again. Brake swap was frustrating, parts are not new, so its always more finicky.

Brakes were super cheap, you would be shocked at what I spent.

I weighed them out, they are not much heavier then the stock brakes, just seemed like they were

I am NOT going to track on style 5s. duuuuu, wrong tires, wrong offset, im not crazy.

I didn't paint the bumper because I am probably going to paint the whole car, and to top it off a different colour, soo... To me its a tad wasteful to dump cash to spray a bumper, only to spray it again a year later.... To each their own.

Engine swap might be coming, m42 might be built way beyond expectations, not sure, we ll see when i have the $ to decide. Truth be told, if i do an engine swap I am going to do something nutty or nothing at all.

I hope i have answered all the internetz questions to satisfaction, even though its really not anyone's business, considering that this thread is about the frustrations with swapping parts with other used parts.

Now as for the brakes: I need to buy new spindles, bearings and everything will be right as rain, thats all thats left over. Pelican is out of stock and so is bimmerspecialist, so I wait.

Before I do the rear, I am going to replace the bearings too, handbrake cables, handbrake pads , bushings prior to installing. I have not yet looked at the brake master cylinder, I hope its a direct swap. We shall see,.

Overall the experience is worth it, the braking force from just the fronts alone is a nutty difference compared to stock. I would do it all over again if i had to.

To anyone attempting this, it is a massive pain and its not just slap on be happy, as you will probably notice balljoints, tierods, maybe even shocks that require attention.

will report on the rear, once I do it. I guess this will be a good time to swap in a LSD too, if i am to rip the rear apart haha.

DYI ftw. That is all.

5style
06-17-2010, 01:44 AM
Also give me some credit, I do all of this on my driveway, I don't have the luxury of a hoist, which makes the jobs a lot less tedious.

For a driveway mechanic, I think I do pretty well. My car has never been to the shop, period, and to be honest even the head gasket will be done on the driveway, when the time comes. That says a lot more about the kind of enthusiast someone is. Last I checked, I have zero mechanical issues... its not magic its proper maintenance, and to me that constitutes a "clean car".

I don't have the luxury of being able to afford a shop. Also before someone says ohhhhhh then don t have a bmw.... Supporting Vendors, pelican parts and bimmer specialist. Check them out, you ll be quite shocked at how inexpensive it is to properly maintain a bmw, a lot cheaper than many domestics. Even if I had a domestic, I would still work on it myself. Why should I pay someone to do something I possess the skills to do without much issue other then taking more time as I struggle on a tarmac driveway?


I cannot believe I am getting flamed for upgrading brakes, come on people! Stop BEFORE Go.

someguy
06-17-2010, 12:09 PM
Also give me some credit, I do all of this on my driveway, I don't have the luxury of a hoist, which makes the jobs a lot less tedious.

For a driveway mechanic, I think I do pretty well. My car has never been to the shop, period, and to be honest even the head gasket will be done on the driveway, when the time comes. That says a lot more about the kind of enthusiast someone is. Last I checked, I have zero mechanical issues... its not magic its proper maintenance, and to me that constitutes a "clean car".

I don't have the luxury of being able to afford a shop. Also before someone says ohhhhhh then don t have a bmw.... Supporting Vendors, pelican parts and bimmer specialist. Check them out, you ll be quite shocked at how inexpensive it is to properly maintain a bmw, a lot cheaper than many domestics. Even if I had a domestic, I would still work on it myself. Why should I pay someone to do something I possess the skills to do without much issue other then taking more time as I struggle on a tarmac driveway?


I cannot believe I am getting flamed for upgrading brakes, come on people! Stop BEFORE Go.

LOL haters gonna hate. Keep doing your thing.

INFAMOU$
06-17-2010, 05:19 PM
Also give me some credit, I do all of this on my driveway, I don't have the luxury of a hoist, which makes the jobs a lot less tedious.

For a driveway mechanic, I think I do pretty well. My car has never been to the shop, period, and to be honest even the head gasket will be done on the driveway, when the time comes. That says a lot more about the kind of enthusiast someone is. Last I checked, I have zero mechanical issues... its not magic its proper maintenance, and to me that constitutes a "clean car".

I don't have the luxury of being able to afford a shop. Also before someone says ohhhhhh then don t have a bmw.... Supporting Vendors, pelican parts and bimmer specialist. Check them out, you ll be quite shocked at how inexpensive it is to properly maintain a bmw, a lot cheaper than many domestics. Even if I had a domestic, I would still work on it myself. Why should I pay someone to do something I possess the skills to do without much issue other then taking more time as I struggle on a tarmac driveway?


I cannot believe I am getting flamed for upgrading brakes, come on people! Stop BEFORE Go.

Well put man... unfortunately there will be many haters as a lot of people can't even change their own air filter let alone do a brake swap! I know the frustrations of using used parts and working in a driveway rolling around on your back! Hell I just did it the other day to relocate an 02 sensor.

Keep up the good work and don't let the haters bring you down. e36's are amazingly easy to work on and amazingly cheap to maintain and upgrade if you have half a brain... some people just can't be bothered and rather spend out of their pocket.

Keep us up to date with your project! *th-up*

Axxe
06-18-2010, 12:08 PM
Hey look it's the hall monitor, better go tell a mod that some one said a bad word on the Internet.

FYI there is a difference between saying a bad word on the internet and threatening someone via pm's. Not that it matters, you're banned again.