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SiR
05-04-2010, 09:35 PM
uh so who is gonna so snag this awesome deal?

104k km. for 13.8k nice!

http://www.autotrader.ca/used_cars_Car_details/ATHABASCA_Alberta_1994_BMW_M3_1502555.html?srcID=1 1&frnID=9919629&prv=Alberta&r=20

blastedM3
05-04-2010, 11:01 PM
i think the euro specs are 300+hp and come 6 speed. I dont think thats an euro,

///eP
05-04-2010, 11:04 PM
thats a "euro-spec" which was released to canada only in 94 i think its the same engine but tuned down with a 5 speed gear box, the 6-speed euro, or evo is found in europe.

ScotcH
05-04-2010, 11:11 PM
Jesus people ... research.

94-95 euro (and 94 canadian euro-spec) is s50b30 286 hp, 5 speed
96+ euro is s50b32 321 hp, 6 speed

Shock(/\)ave
05-05-2010, 12:11 AM
There's either something very wrong with that car or the seller doesn't know what he's doing.

I'd suspect the former and would highly suggest a title check before expressing serious interest. :huh?:

SiR
05-05-2010, 01:22 AM
Or hes trying to get someone to come pick it up in athabasca lol


so whose gonna call and get the info?

T.Dot_E30
05-05-2010, 07:38 AM
Or hes trying to get someone to come pick it up in athabasca lol


so whose gonna call and get the info?

Your the one looking for an e36 m3, make the call n go for it!

aspen540
05-05-2010, 11:14 AM
seems pretty legit to me, he gave the unit number. all one has to do is check the vin or fly out see the car. good price btw. glws

SiR
05-05-2010, 03:19 PM
LOL i forgot to put a wink after my question.

Its to far for me at this point. If I had more time (to account for getting the car to the GTA) I would really give this more consideration.

But I thought some others here would love to see this deal because from the sounds of it its quite good.

Shock(/\)ave
05-05-2010, 03:26 PM
But I thought some others here would love to see this deal because from the sounds of it its quite good.

If the history and condition of the car reflect the mileage it's discounted by over 50%. *th-up*

stew
05-05-2010, 03:30 PM
thats way to cheap for that car with that mileage. I bet it's rebuilt or something.

aspen540
05-06-2010, 11:55 AM
If the history and condition of the car reflect the mileage it's discounted by over 50%. *th-up*

this car can be had overseas for about 5-6K CAD, i would assume bringing it down here would bring total to about what he is asking.

318compact
05-06-2010, 01:05 PM
A decent M3 of that vintage with similar mileage is about 8k - 10k euro in Germany. By the time you get it here it will be more than this car, thousands more.

Shock(/\)ave
05-06-2010, 01:32 PM
this car can be had overseas for about 5-6K CAD, i would assume bringing it down here would bring total to about what he is asking.

A 1994 M3 can certainly be had overseas for this price... in very poor condition.

With all due respect I think you're missing the point in making that comparison as the 45 cars sold in Canada have a special provenance behind them which affects their value.

I just might actually know what I'm talking about on this particular subject. :P

luve30
05-06-2010, 01:35 PM
I think it's a good price for the mileage if it has a clean history. However, I don't think it's a smoking deal as prices on these have come down a lot for some reason which I don't understand myself.

aspen540
05-06-2010, 02:01 PM
A 1994 M3 can certainly be had overseas for this price... in very poor condition.

With all due respect I think you're missing the point in making that comparison as the 45 cars sold in Canada have a special provenance behind them which affects their value.

I just might actually know what I'm talking about on this particular subject. :P

whats difference between canadian euro spec and any other e36 m3 sold outside of north america, other than the plaque?

yessiR
05-06-2010, 02:09 PM
A 1994 M3 can certainly be had overseas for this price... in very poor condition.

With all due respect I think you're missing the point in making that comparison as the 45 cars sold in Canada have a special provenance behind them which affects their value.

I just might actually know what I'm talking about on this particular subject. :P

I am a big fan of your car and all but you're wrong on the pricing. I have looked into getting a japanese europspec m3 and to say that they are all of poor quality is you being quite clueless. Have a look at this car here for example: http://www.zenautoworks.ca/index.php?option=com_rdautos&view=detail&id=45

You're just pissed that your super rare car isn't that special anymore. As far as you knowing something on the subject I really doubt anyone has missed your half page signature all over the forums.

Shock(/\)ave
05-06-2010, 02:18 PM
I am a big fan of your car and all but you're wrong on the pricing. I have looked into getting a japanese europspec m3 and to say that they are all of poor quality is you being quite clueless. Have a look at this car here for example: http://www.zenautoworks.ca/index.php?option=com_rdautos&view=detail&id=45

I'm well aware of what you can get a Japanese import for these days, and they represent fantastic value for the money.

You're just pissed that your super rare car isn't that special anymore. As far as you knowing something on the subject I really doubt anyone has missed your half page signature all over the forums.

Anything else you care to tell me about myself? :rolleyes:

lvan
05-06-2010, 02:30 PM
I'm well aware of what you can get a Japanese import for these days, and they represent fantastic value for the money.



Anything else you care to tell me about myself? :rolleyes:

You said it is discounted by 50%. That means around 30K. These days you can pick up a late model E46 M3 with a real M engine. That would be much better buy IMO. Sorry , but I can not stand early model E36 door panels and some othe glitches. When I smack that door , I want it to feel like a E30 the way use to be built. It took BMW a decade to come up with a better interior.

MarkD
05-06-2010, 02:34 PM
You said it is discounted by 50%. That means around 30K. These days you can pick up a late model E46 M3 with a real M engine. That would be much better buy IMO. Sorry , but I can not stand early model E36 door panels and some othe glitches. When I smack that door , I want it to feel like a E30 the way use to be built. It took BMW a decade to come up with a better interior.

That car has a real M engine, unlike the "m" engine in the s52usb32

What is not real about it?

lvan
05-06-2010, 02:39 PM
That car has a real M engine, unlike the "m" engine in the s52usb32

What is not real about it?

I never said It does not have the real M engine. I meant to say that E46 M3 is as good as E36 if not better, and it also comes with a M engine as E36 euro spec. I agree that it sounded confusing.

luve30
05-06-2010, 02:45 PM
The fact that there was only 45 makes this car very unique and it should be worth a premium for any collector. Frankly, it should be worth a lot more than $13K if we compare it to a NAS Land Rover Defender 90. The Defender is readily available from the UK but people are willing to pay a lot more to own a NAS version with prices well into the $30's for a pristine example. One could argue that the UK version isn't a soft top but you can convert one to a soft top for a lot less money than buying a nice NAS one but the fact that the NAS one was limited and special makes it worth a premium.

Having said all that, I fully admit that I'm not an expert on this M3 but I would guess that the biggest thing affecting it's value is that the US didn't get this limited edition which means they can't import it until it's 25 years old (without some major hassle).

T.Dot_E30
05-06-2010, 02:46 PM
whats difference between canadian euro spec and any other e36 m3 sold outside of north america, other than the plaque?

Do some reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3

M3 Euro-Spec (Canadian Edition)
In 1994 agreements existed between Canada and several countries in Europe which allowed any car authorized in one participating country to legally be sold in any of the others.[citation needed] Though BMW had unveiled the next generation E36 M3 in Europe in 1992, the company felt that the production version would need to be priced much higher for export to North America than the market would allow. While the engineers worked on a less expensive North American version of the E36 M3, BMW Canada seized the window of opportunity: 45 numbered European specification M3 coupes were specially produced and imported into Canada.
Even with a base price of $59,900 (a substantial sum for the day given that the standard equipment list did not include forged lightweight wheels, air conditioning, a sunroof or even metallic paint), all 45 cars were spoken for in just 3 days. Unlike the other special versions of the E36 M3, buyers were free to choose any colors and options they wanted on their cars. The cars all came equipped with the 286 PS (210 kW; 282 hp) 3.0 L inline 6 cylinder engine, vented brakes with floating rotors, glass headlights and other European standard equipment. They were initially delivered to Toronto, then shipped all across the country to the dealerships where they were ordered.
Canada would not see another E36 M3 for sale until two years later, when BMW finally made the American versions of the 1997 M3 available for sale. Forty five Euro-Spec Canadian Edition cars were built, each one having a numbered engraved plaque in both the glovebox and the custom leather case which holds the owners manuals. Only the Australian M3-R was built in lower numbers.

aspen540
05-06-2010, 02:51 PM
Do some reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3

you get a plaque and a leather pouch. what else? i mean today

318compact
05-06-2010, 02:52 PM
...
Having said all that, I fully admit that I'm not an expert on this M3 but I would guess that the biggest thing affecting it's value is that the US didn't get this limited edition which means they can't import it until it's 25 years old (without some major hassle).

I believe its 15 years.
In my opinion that is the reason why the Canadian 1994 M3 depreciated sustantially now - you can have the exact same car imported legally now, from Europe or Japan, plenty of them available in those markets, so the prices here have to reflect that reality.

T.Dot_E30
05-06-2010, 02:57 PM
you get a plaque and a leather pouch. what else? i mean today

45 numbered European specification M3 coupes were specially produced and imported into Canada

+ it's a limited production version which the euro model was not.

I believe, DRLs, emissions and bumper regulations to meet canadian standards are different. There could be a few more..

lvan
05-06-2010, 02:57 PM
I believe its 15 years.
In my opinion that is the reason why the Canadian 1994 M3 depreciated sustantially now - you can have the exact same car imported legally now, from Europe or Japan, plenty of them available in those markets, so the prices here have to reflect that reality.

Yes, also the fact that Euro is $1.3 CAD, that gives you some room to strike a deal opposed to last year when it was 1.7 CAD to buy that currency.

luve30
05-06-2010, 02:58 PM
The US law is 25 years. They are very jealous of us because of our 15 year rule!

aspen540
05-06-2010, 03:05 PM
+ it's a limited production version which the euro model was not.

I believe, DRLs, emissions and bumper regulations to meet canadian standards are different. There could be a few more..

thats very nice, those things aren't issue now that this car is 15 years old. limited production of plaques and leather pouches don't interest me. the reality is that this car was limited in canada only for a certain amount of time which it has expired. you can't really say that about any other limted edition because they all have more substantial changes or purposes.

yessiR
05-06-2010, 03:21 PM
LIMITED NUMBER IN CANADA DOES NOT MEAN LIMITED PRODUCTION... jeez

find me an LTW ... thats rare

yessiR
05-06-2010, 03:42 PM
here is an example of an e36 thats ACTUALLY worth more than 15k

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=40128133&listingRecNum=0&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26mkId%3D20005%26stkTyp%3DU %26mdId%3D21392%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTyp Id-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-yrId%26zc%3D93901%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26yrId%3D20196%26yrId%3D20140%26yrId%3D20195%26y rId%3D20139%26yrId%3D20194%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3 D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

Petinko
05-06-2010, 05:35 PM
It's nice to see a thread go to shit and me not being involved...... :)

topnotchraly
05-06-2010, 08:23 PM
here is an example of an e36 thats ACTUALLY worth more than 15k

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&csDlId=&csDgId=&listingId=40128133&listingRecNum=0&criteria=sf1Dir%3DDESC%26mkId%3D20005%26stkTyp%3DU %26mdId%3D21392%26rd%3D100000%26crSrtFlds%3DstkTyp Id-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-yrId%26zc%3D93901%26rn%3D0%26PMmt%3D1-1-0%26stkTypId%3D28881%26sf2Dir%3DASC%26sf1Nm%3Dpric e%26yrId%3D20196%26yrId%3D20140%26yrId%3D20195%26y rId%3D20139%26yrId%3D20194%26sf2Nm%3Dmiles%26rpp%3 D50%26feedSegId%3D28705&aff=national

FWIW, note that you can NOT import this car to Canada. 1995 M3s are specifically exempt (don't know why, think it has something to do with the bumpers)

yessiR
05-07-2010, 09:10 AM
FWIW, note that you can NOT import this car to Canada. 1995 M3s are specifically exempt (don't know why, think it has something to do with the bumpers)

lol... check your facts


http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/safevehicles/importation/usa/vafus/list2/BMW.htm

luve30
05-07-2010, 09:30 AM
The '95 M3 was exempt in '08 when I was looking so they must have changed the rule. I believe it was exempt because the suspension systems needed to be modified to meet headlight height requirements which is kind of silly anyway.

SiR
05-07-2010, 05:38 PM
you can pick up euro spec'd 94's from places in BC for about 10-11k.
but then you have to get it back to toronto area. its tempting

but at the end of the day these cars are still old. i dunno. im in the market for an e36 right now and have gone back and forth wtih myself in getting a euro spec car.
but to me they are growing a little to old for a daily. imo. the engine is a little more high strung than the north american version and will likely cost more to upkeep.
i would enjoy it but for a daily driver(for me) i think the north american version will be better.
some bolt ons and a tune with greatly reduce the power difference. and thats really the only difference. and the fact you can have some people bukake all over you cause its euro powered ;)

plus you can get a north american version up to 99. (which is still old too these days)

as for what the euro spec cars are worth. they are waht people will pay and most people wont pay 20-30k for a car of that age anymore. the numbers (built)are to high. its not an e30.
its the same with people asking 17k-20k for north american e36 m'3s these days. sorry you missed the boat. those days are gone.


that ltw is sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

stew
05-07-2010, 07:49 PM
I'm about to pull the trigger on a euro from bc. For the mileage, their cheaper than a us spec over hear, and jap cars are very clean. We get japan engines at my work(honda dealer) some times. They are very clean. no rust. We'll see.

SiR
05-08-2010, 12:28 PM
If i was going for a weekend car. i would do it for sure.

sthomas
05-09-2010, 08:54 AM
the numbers (built)are to high. its not an e30.

that ltw is sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

Just a quick note - I believe the 1994 Canadian M3 (often called the euro-spec) is the rarest BMW ever built. Rarer than the LTW or the e30 M3.

yellowe36m3
05-09-2010, 02:58 PM
The car has been rear ended!

luve30
05-09-2010, 03:17 PM
The car has been rear ended!

Bummer :(

SiR
05-09-2010, 06:06 PM
The car has been rear ended!

great info. thanks

yellowe36m3
05-10-2010, 01:09 AM
I have pictures of the his M3 if interested.

huytrinh246@hotmail.com