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Robb
10-10-2009, 06:56 PM
So I ended up buying another 1991 civic si.
Believe it or not, the car was owned by Bill Gardiner of Motoring TV on TSN.
http://www.motoringtv.com/quakerstate-garage-s11563

I spoke with Bill Gardiner. He told me that when he owned the car, it was never winter driven, stored in heated
garage every winter, and had no body or paint work. He used it fro trips to his cottage and Florida.
The second owner only put 5,000 kms in 2 years.
The car is in amazing condition ! 105,000 kms, all original !
The cars' sunroof visor was signed by Bill himself...LoL
I gotta go get a spare key from Bill next week when he's not busy.

The car is beyond prestine ! Only a couple minor chips, that were touched up.
It has skunk2 coilover sleeves on OEM shocks. Those will be changed later on. Gonna add a 320mm momo monte carlo wheel, same as my crx.

Price = Priceless.
To me, there just wasnt anything else on the market worth buying
at this price point..
Gave her a wash today and took a few pics.

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/3664/74296309.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/1149/30240851.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5743/15412782.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1644/50275454.jpg
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/548/47460523.jpg
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1013/90541210.jpg

Robb
10-10-2009, 06:57 PM
Some pics the previous owner sent me:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/rob89m3/91%20CIVIC%20FOR%20SALE/untitled.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/rob89m3/91%20CIVIC%20FOR%20SALE/P8030004.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/rob89m3/91%20CIVIC%20FOR%20SALE/S5000615.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/rob89m3/91%20CIVIC%20FOR%20SALE/S5000610.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/rob89m3/91%20CIVIC%20FOR%20SALE/P8030009.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/rob89m3/91%20CIVIC%20FOR%20SALE/S5000607.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m305/rob89m3/91%20CIVIC%20FOR%20SALE/S5000606.jpg


Already installed the center console and shift knob. :)

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3554/4561/33884780010_large.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3554/4561/33884780008_large.jpg


I had a bunch of maintenance work done to it. Everything was original, from the fuel filter, to the timing belt and water pump !

- replaced timing belt + water pump
- drained engine block and radiator, added new Honda type 2 Coolant
- new thermostat
- new alternator belt
- new fuel filter
- flushed old engine oil using Amsoil engine flush
- Changed engine oil and filter used Amsoil 10w40
- changed original distributor cap and rotor (did myself)
- 4 new spark plugs (did myself)
- replaced original spark plug wires with new NGK Blue wires (did myself)
- replaced original air filter (did myself)
- did emission smog test and passed with flying colors.
- car didnt need anything for safety certification.

325ixE30
10-10-2009, 07:11 PM
Nice car, but I think the FWD drive would go more nuts over it. It looks truly MINT!

I love Civics, had a 2000 SiR, then a s2000.

As much as I loved those cars, they're not Beemers....lol

propr'one
10-10-2009, 07:33 PM
Looks good. What did you pay for it?

bmwm5lover
10-10-2009, 07:57 PM
It's clean, but I don't get you.

spoony_prelude
10-10-2009, 08:01 PM
Wow, before I bought my 99 Coupe Si I was trying to find one of these in similar condition and may i say the word impossible is no exageration! Anyways not trying to complicate your op, but if Bill sold the car, to the second owner why would you be going to Bill for the spare key? (sorry but that didnt make sense to me lol)

Other then that congrats to a super clean ef! a true gem!

Jay

Robb
10-10-2009, 08:07 PM
I got in touch with Bill through Brad Diamond (the host of motoring TV)
I wanted to get some history of the car, and he told me that he still had the spare key for the car.

Bullet Ride
10-10-2009, 08:10 PM
maxBIMMER*drink*

jk

Definitely beyond mint. I haven't driven one that old but those cars are such good fun to drive. Congrats on the buy*th-up*

BMW BMXer
10-10-2009, 09:34 PM
Clean, bring it down.

mkgino
10-10-2009, 10:51 PM
how much did you pay?

Robb
10-10-2009, 10:57 PM
how much did you pay?

More than 4, less than 8 . :P

jsbimmer
10-11-2009, 08:48 AM
Great car...and looks to be in even greater condition.... I had one of these back in 90. It was a blast to drive and the most trouble free car I have ever owned. Best of luck with it.

v_bimmer
10-11-2009, 02:21 PM
rob, are you going to be selling the other white civic???

congrats on the purchase!

Robb
10-11-2009, 02:30 PM
rob, are you going to be selling the other white civic???

congrats on the purchase!

I sold it in April to a buddy from the crx club.
He may wanna sell it though.

v_bimmer
10-11-2009, 07:52 PM
so now that you have this mint civic and the crx! which one will be the winter beater??

King Luis
10-11-2009, 07:56 PM
nice buy rob. can't believe that there are still mint civics like that out there. that thing is truly spotless.

Stephanie
10-11-2009, 08:22 PM
congrats on the purchase! SO clean!!

Robb
10-11-2009, 08:31 PM
so now that you have this mint civic and the crx! which one will be the winter beater??

Vitaly, the civic will be used for winter. It will get Krowned rustproofed, but no drilling of holes.
I wont put more than 5,000 on it from now to early April.

Thanks for the comments everyone.

magnus
10-14-2009, 03:44 PM
you need to put some dark coloured rims on it and deck it. I always thought these were the best civics!

Robb
10-14-2009, 09:27 PM
you need to put some dark coloured rims on it and deck it. I always thought these were the best civics!

Ya I agree..

bimbimma
10-14-2009, 09:34 PM
nice car...you should try and get a hold of honda canada and see if they'd want anything to do with it....at my work we got a hold of a clean del sol and honda canada wanted to purchase it for shows and such (i work at honda)

all in all a great car..i used to have a 93 SI in immaculate condition, no winters and always stored with low KM...ended up selling it for just over $7000. great cars...especially if you want a toy to play around with thats not gonna cost you much!

Great buy!

Robb
10-14-2009, 09:41 PM
nice car...you should try and get a hold of honda canada and see if they'd want anything to do with it....at my work we got a hold of a clean del sol and honda canada wanted to purchase it for shows and such (i work at honda)



No thanks..
Honda Canada upset me regarding disclosing some info I wanted to know, and they wouldnt allow me to take pics of my Crx outside of the Alliston plant.
*mumble*

bimbimma
10-14-2009, 09:48 PM
wow....well that sucks...kinda stupid of them...anyways...good buy!

Gamite
10-15-2009, 12:33 AM
Rob, that car is too clean to be driving in winter.

magnus
10-15-2009, 04:22 AM
Rob, that car is too clean to be driving in winter.

I think so too! I would keep it as clean and mint as possible!

BMW BMXer
10-15-2009, 07:35 AM
^ I agree why not just drive an already rotting one/not original bodywork one in the winter?

bmwm5lover
10-15-2009, 09:25 AM
If he is only driving 5k the whole winter( how so little j don't know) he doesn't need to worry. Nothing is gnna happen to it.

Fel
10-15-2009, 10:28 AM
That's a funny looking M3 :huh?:



Very clean, I'll give you that... congrats. Shame to winter drive it though, there really aren't many '91 Civics that look like that anymore.

Robb
11-16-2009, 11:40 AM
Well I finished my engine bay detail.. took about 4 days total.

I used WD-40 and a paintbrush and 4 microfiber towels.
Works amazing on 20 year old buildup of dirt and rustproofing. No joke.
Car had been sitting for 10+ years.. Buildup of rustproofing and dust on it takes its toll.



http://i38.tinypic.com/2bpbah.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/2jacnex.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/k6cd0.jpg


BEFORE:

http://i34.tinypic.com/2ihma93.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2bruqt.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/2z86f4j.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/241kqvd.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/k2gy02.jpg

Robb
11-16-2009, 11:41 AM
AFTER:

http://i36.tinypic.com/ohmtnc.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/2ugpcsz.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/mmwjl.jpg

New hood insulator.
(89-91 Civic Si hatches did not come with one in Canada)

http://i35.tinypic.com/4kznf5.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2h3defb.jpg

New powdercoated valve cover. 10% Gloss texture black.
Holds up much better than OEM wrinkle flat black enamel.

http://i35.tinypic.com/23vnxg3.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/33m5q1x.jpg

Sorry for the dark garage pics. LOL

WD-40 FTW

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7720/78994115.jpg

tg07lq
11-16-2009, 12:03 PM
night and day difference on that engine bay! amazing, i havnet been able to find anything to do min with. wd-40 works well and is safe to use?
congrats on the buy!

jeremy
11-16-2009, 12:04 PM
You missed your calling...awesome detail job!

JNSchnitzer
11-16-2009, 12:11 PM
Why would you drive this in winter? It would be a shame.

BMW BMXer
11-16-2009, 03:53 PM
Why did you clean the under hood of a winter beater so well?

It's just going to get all filthy again

Dan Bro
11-16-2009, 06:57 PM
Nice find, congrats on the car, I use to have a '89 civic dx, with a zc motor.... these cars are awesome to drive around with.

Robb
11-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Why did you clean the under hood of a winter beater so well?

It's just going to get all filthy again

Nah.. my cars dont get filthy... :P

Nice find, congrats on the car, I use to have a '89 civic dx, with a zc motor.... these cars are awesome to drive around with.

Thanks bro

bmwm5lover
11-17-2009, 03:48 PM
Wow, can you do my engine bay?

Bullet Ride
11-17-2009, 05:20 PM
Seriously all you used is a paintbrush, wd-40, and some towels? I guess everything has a light film of oily residue on it now. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Before and after is crazy. How much stuff did you have to pull apart to get into all the nooks and crannies?

craz azn
11-17-2009, 05:39 PM
You forgot to mention all the new fancy bolts and hardware you used, oh and a can of spray paint or two for all those brackets and heat shields. Giving everyone a false sense of hope with that WD-40 can :P

spoony_prelude
11-17-2009, 05:46 PM
so anyways rob hows about you get your ass to my garage and get started on the vert:) Please and thank you!

Rob could u do like a break down of how you cleaned ur engine bay, it sounds stupid but I like seeing how others work and how differently they do things. I doubt you just wd-40'd it. Power washer maybe first? any detergent? howd you remove the rust proofing?

Thanks

Jay

Robb
11-17-2009, 06:58 PM
Spoony, no powerwashing...the rustproofing was removed with WD40, it breaks it down...and that's 20 year old rustproofing on there....

There's not much to discuss regarding the process.
First I removed some of the components and parts out of the way,
air box, fuse box, wiper motor, map sensors, resistor box, coolant overflow tank etc etc..
Then as you spray the WD-40 on, let it sit for about 10-20 seconds, while you brush and agitate the dirt, then when it becomes all liquid, you can wipe it off with microfiber towels. The brush gets into all the knook and crannies...
You have to spray alot of WD-40 for it to work on heavy buildup.
It's a very messy job and it takes time..
Once all dirt is gone, you can at the very end wipe the entire engine bay and hood with Quick detailer spray, by Meguiars.

craz azn, you are right, I did replace a few bolts, powdercoated the valve cover, installed new engine mount, painted a few brackets, and installed new plug wires and heat shield.. most stuff I got used for free and I get close to wholesale price on parts from Honda.

3SERB
11-23-2009, 12:52 PM
Amazing work on that detail. That car should be preserved in that condition for the next decade!

blk3
11-23-2009, 09:01 PM
dude im impressed, nice find and nice work.

Robb
11-23-2009, 10:03 PM
Thanks http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/stickydiljoe/pedosmiley2.gif

BigD
01-02-2010, 01:52 PM
You just got name dropped by Bill Gardner on the show, even showed pics of the car! He said he threatened the life of the guy who owned it before you (Alfonso) if he drove it in the winter. Sounds like this car was amazingly cared for.

Robb
01-02-2010, 02:02 PM
lol.. well I missed it.. I gotta watch the repeat on Monday at 12:30am

Jon@Bimmersport
01-20-2010, 04:57 PM
WOW...the work you did on the engine bay, is just impressive as the car itself! Great buy and good job in the effort...*th-up*

Robb
01-20-2010, 04:59 PM
WOW...the work you did on the engine bay, is just impressive as the car itself! Great buy and good job in the effort...*th-up*

Thanks Jon ! *th-up*

BMW BMXer
04-07-2010, 09:48 AM
Hey Rob you got posted on a blog I frequent:
http://ekhatch.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/somewhere-down-the-line/

Robb
04-07-2010, 11:05 AM
cool.
thanks Dave.

SiR
04-20-2010, 06:09 PM
Holy shit! exactly what i said out loud after the before/after pics.

whoa! nice work and what a find! i recently saw a mint 92 eg sedan in the same kind of condition. only problem is its auto and sedan..but condition the same with even less miles.

finding cars like that is next to impossible. congrats!

Blackedout95
04-20-2010, 06:23 PM
WOW thats ridiculous!

You dont get laid much do ya... but maybe now with that clean engine bay you could score ;)

Robb
06-18-2010, 08:50 PM
Finally got my HKS sport cat back exhaust installed last week.
Also took some obligatory pics of my interior as it is.
(Using an 6 year old Sony Cybershot 5.1 Megapixel camera sux) :?

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3554/4561/33884780209_large.jpg
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/3554/4561/33884780208_large.jpg


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