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325ixE30
04-23-2009, 09:43 AM
I remember watching this show on PBS commercial free when I was a kid.

Not extremely entertaining, but very factual.

Love seeing these cars fresh and new.

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Their performance are much slower than what's published.

Must be crap driving or something.

craz azn
04-23-2009, 10:32 AM
Haha, I also remember watching this show on tv when I was younger. Nice!

325ixE30
04-23-2009, 10:36 AM
Its no Top Gear...

Ceeker
04-23-2009, 11:53 AM
I know someone who raced GT2 and backed by BMW back in the day when these cars were the rage. He tells me that for it's time the 318is chassis was the most balanced car for racing. One of the best handling cars bmw put out. Of course technology has changed quite a bit and there is no comparison to today's bmw's. Give her a little credit. She was the little engine/car that "could." :-) also remember this was the same engine that Mcleren got 1000bhp from.

craz azn
04-23-2009, 12:01 PM
I also remember this was the same engine that Mcleren got 1000bhp from.

I think you are mistaking that for something else. McLaren has had nothing to do with the m42/44 engines.

Ceeker
04-23-2009, 12:03 PM
really...do recall in the not so distant past Macleren took the X5 and also did the same thing? 1000 horsepower just to see what it could do around the track.?

Ceeker
04-23-2009, 12:05 PM
what I find really funny on this site is that we get these "news flashes" or leaks from bmw about this or that. My friends at BMW tell me about this sort of stuff months prior to release...sometimes I tell them and they tell me " oh I just wanted you to rant about it for a while before letting you know I already heard about and saw it." anything that comes up on this site is old news to those closer to the source and more informed then we are.

craz azn
04-23-2009, 12:09 PM
really...do recall in the not so distant past Macleren took the X5 and also did the same thing? 1000 horsepower just to see what it could do around the track.?

whaaa whaaat??!1 What are you talking about? Where? I don't believe so...

The only crazy X5 I know of is the one that BMW M put together with the V12 for Hans Stuck to drive on the Nurburgring. What a gimmick that was. Cool though. Theres youtube videos of that everywhere.

The only 'McLaren' that has had anything to do with BMW is McLaren Engines, now named McLaren Racing Technologies based out of Michigan, who collaborated with BMW NA in the mid 80s to produce M12 engine-based, turbocharged powerplants. (not to be confused with McLaren Automobiles, who produced the F1 Supercar)

Robb
04-23-2009, 12:42 PM
0-60 is 9.7 ? Dint think it was that slow. *sad*

Ceeker
04-24-2009, 08:32 AM
I stand corrected!!! my apologies...yes it was the v12 in the X5. apparently 1.8 or 2.0ltr was used and not sure which class but they were able to get somewhere between 1000-1600 bhp out of it..

addbhp
04-24-2009, 10:07 AM
I stand corrected!!! my apologies...yes it was the v12 in the X5. apparently 1.8 or 2.0ltr was used and not sure which class but they were able to get somewhere between 1000-1600 bhp out of it..


You were close, but McLaren had nothing to do with this engine. McLaren only partnered with BMW for the engine in the Road going McLaren F1 street car, designed by Gordon Murray. If you were trying to find the 6 degrees of separation, it was Gordon Murray that Designed the Brabham Formula 1 cars that did use a turbo version of a 1.5 litre BMW engine.

The 1.5 litre turbocharged four cylinder engine developed by BMW for Brabham had an engine block which was almost identical to the block used in the roadgoing BMW 2002 (albeit in 2 litre form). For F1, BMW developed new cylinder heads and added a large turbocharger which in it's ultimate form produced up to 1500bhp (1000bhp per litre!). When giving 1500bhp the engine only lasted a few laps, so this state of tune was used only for qualifying laps. For the race a different engine would be installed, still giving an incredible 1100bhp on average.

The engine was used in the Brabham-BMW BT52, which was the first turbocharged F1 car used to win a drivers championship in the history of Formula 1.

lvan
04-24-2009, 10:15 AM
9.7 wow. Than 325 ETA must be faster. I am sure they are around 8.4 for 60mph.

richie_s999
04-24-2009, 11:17 AM
9.7 wow. Than 325 ETA must be faster. I am sure they are around 8.4 for 60mph.

LOL the 318is is not a off the line car, 1st and 2nd gear are killed by the 28lb dual mass fly wheel. doing the m20 single mass conversion soon, which will change that drastically(along with going from a 4.10 open stock diff to the 4.27 lsd :) ). 0-60 is great from light to light but not always a testament to a car over all.

richie_s999
04-24-2009, 11:18 AM
You were close, but McLaren had nothing to do with this engine. McLaren only partnered with BMW for the engine in the Road going McLaren F1 street car, designed by Gordon Murray. If you were trying to find the 6 degrees of separation, it was Gordon Murray that Designed the Brabham Formula 1 cars that did use a turbo version of a 1.5 litre BMW engine.

The 1.5 litre turbocharged four cylinder engine developed by BMW for Brabham had an engine block which was almost identical to the block used in the roadgoing BMW 2002 (albeit in 2 litre form). For F1, BMW developed new cylinder heads and added a large turbocharger which in it's ultimate form produced up to 1500bhp (1000bhp per litre!). When giving 1500bhp the engine only lasted a few laps, so this state of tune was used only for qualifying laps. For the race a different engine would be installed, still giving an incredible 1100bhp on average.

The engine was used in the Brabham-BMW BT52, which was the first turbocharged F1 car used to win a drivers championship in the history of Formula 1.

shit that turbo is as big as the motor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lvan
04-24-2009, 11:33 AM
haha no no , I was moreover thinking about ETA motor , because some "IS" owners make them sounds so trashy. Also eta is like 122hp, so I was like maybe 318is has a chance.


LOL the 318is is not a off the line car, 1st and 2nd gear are killed by the 28lb dual mass fly wheel. doing the m20 single mass conversion soon, which will change that drastically(along with going from a 4.10 open stock diff to the 4.27 lsd :) ). 0-60 is great from light to light but not always a testament to a car over all.

richie_s999
04-24-2009, 12:12 PM
haha no no , I was moreover thinking about ETA motor , because some "IS" owners make them sounds so trashy. Also eta is like 122hp, so I was like maybe 318is has a chance.

yes but like 170ftlb tourqe on the e motor, which gets it moving

Bullet Ride
04-24-2009, 01:10 PM
You were close, but McLaren had nothing to do with this engine. McLaren only partnered with BMW for the engine in the Road going McLaren F1 street car, designed by Gordon Murray. If you were trying to find the 6 degrees of separation, it was Gordon Murray that Designed the Brabham Formula 1 cars that did use a turbo version of a 1.5 litre BMW engine.

The 1.5 litre turbocharged four cylinder engine developed by BMW for Brabham had an engine block which was almost identical to the block used in the roadgoing BMW 2002 (albeit in 2 litre form). For F1, BMW developed new cylinder heads and added a large turbocharger which in it's ultimate form produced up to 1500bhp (1000bhp per litre!). When giving 1500bhp the engine only lasted a few laps, so this state of tune was used only for qualifying laps. For the race a different engine would be installed, still giving an incredible 1100bhp on average.

The engine was used in the Brabham-BMW BT52, which was the first turbocharged F1 car used to win a drivers championship in the history of Formula 1.

whaaa whaaat??!1 What are you talking about? Where? I don't believe so...

The only crazy X5 I know of is the one that BMW M put together with the V12 for Hans Stuck to drive on the Nurburgring. What a gimmick that was. Cool though. Theres youtube videos of that everywhere.

The only 'McLaren' that has had anything to do with BMW is McLaren Engines, now named McLaren Racing Technologies based out of Michigan, who collaborated with BMW NA in the mid 80s to produce M12 engine-based, turbocharged powerplants. (not to be confused with McLaren Automobiles, who produced the F1 Supercar)

From McLaren Performance's website
McLaren Engines, also developed the M12 4 cylinder BMW engine into its 1st turbocharged configuration, and raced a BMW 320i Sedan in the IMSA series, with great success. Subsequent versions of this engine project eventually won the 1st FI World Championship for a turbo engine in 1983 with Nelson Piquet and Brabham.

I've been to their shops before for a tour and to work on an electic car project back when I was in highschool. Some amazing cars being built there.... one of the M12 basedturbo engines was on display in one of their lobbies amazing engine.... 20x increase in power from 75hp to 1500hp *rockout*

E30M42cab
04-25-2009, 08:17 PM
I'm going to be picking a 318is up on wednesday. I'm very curious to see how the 4.10 diff compares to the 4.27 in my cabrio. Maybe I won't notice a thing.

richie_s999
04-26-2009, 08:28 AM
speed should be about the same cause the vert is alot heavier, putting the 4.27 lsd in this afternoon on my 318is :)

E30M42cab
04-26-2009, 11:38 AM
true, but the vert has a k&n, Dinan chip, and I'll be throwing on the stebro exhaust soon, so we'll see how they run together. I'll have to get a friend to go head to head... M42's AWAY!!!

SamE30e
04-26-2009, 11:19 PM
yes but like 170ftlb tourqe on the e motor, which gets it moving

And E will move in 1st and 2nd.. Then it falls flat on it's face after that.

lvan
04-27-2009, 03:44 PM
^ Right. I still like that better over M42 engine. Maybe it's me but short 1 and 2 gear get me kinda tired. Torquey engine would be more easier in the city. IMO. Do you think so.

E30M42cab
04-27-2009, 06:22 PM
^^ absolutely. The M42 is a tiresome engine... unless you're driving around in "sport mode" all the time, it's very fatiquing in the city. You've got to be on the stick all the time. Second gear lacks the torque to get you through corners without flying into them. First gear is hard to feather the trottle in slow traffic. My old 325e's were great for torque, but not as much fun to drive. M20B27's are only slightly faster at best. Definately at high speed.

richie_s999
04-27-2009, 07:30 PM
Finally got my 4.27 lsd in my 318is way better in the lower gears and still under 3000rpm in 5th at 100 i would say this is a must do set of gears for the car

lvan
04-27-2009, 08:44 PM
^^ absolutely. The M42 is a tiresome engine... unless you're driving around in "sport mode" all the time, it's very fatiquing in the city. You've got to be on the stick all the time. Second gear lacks the torque to get you through corners without flying into them. First gear is hard to feather the trottle in slow traffic. My old 325e's were great for torque, but not as much fun to drive. M20B27's are only slightly faster at best. Definately at high speed.

Very well said.

richie_s999
04-28-2009, 02:34 AM
LOL anyone who gets tired of shifting in the city should buy an auto LOL

E30M42cab
04-29-2009, 06:11 PM
Finally got my 4.27 lsd in my 318is way better in the lower gears and still under 3000rpm in 5th at 100 i would say this is a must do set of gears for the car
100km's in 5th is possibly the most boring and uninspired the M42 could possibly be. It's like the car is dragging a tonne of bricks at that speed/gear. Doesn't matter if you've got a 4.27 or 4.11. She's alive at 140km/h:)

SamE30e
04-29-2009, 07:19 PM
M42's are never.... "Alive"

richie_s999
04-29-2009, 09:10 PM
M42's are never.... "Alive"

Mr anti m42 enough already! :) seriously its getting old hearing you always bashing it

E30M42cab
05-01-2009, 05:52 PM
^^ He's pretty much right. It's never really alive... the only way you can trick yourself into thinking it's alive is if you have a loud exhaust and a chip and you drive it at 5k rpm's all the time. The M42 is for people who don't want to adjust valves all the time, and want to have room in their engine compartment to work on other things. Great engine, better if it had 170bhp.

e30_kid89
05-01-2009, 07:43 PM
^^^ Or boosted:P

SamE30e
05-01-2009, 08:11 PM
Mr anti m42 enough already! :) seriously its getting old hearing you always bashing it


I'm not bashing, I'm being real...

richie_s999
05-01-2009, 10:14 PM
I'm not bashing, I'm being real...

Coming from the guy who thought his motor was a M10 when he got his car....

Is there one person on this board who has built a 318is with out just swapping a different motor?????

I know myself and one other peron currently getting the parts together to build m42 stroker motors, will be interesting to see numbers once the cars are done, and maybe people will see there is more then just the "jordan" rev3 way to build.