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kevin325
04-02-2009, 04:18 PM
Just wanted to share project with you fellow max members. finally got the chance to drop off the car to Bimmersport for the S54 swap. they already got the rear end (LSD, tranny) fitted last month and this week we will pulling the M54 and making room for the new motor.Also installing JVT headers and a full catback Rouge exhaust.

i will posting progress pics as we go and for now here's some pictures of the engine before taking it to the shop, sorry for the bad quality pics..iphone cam is not so great.

<img src="http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/790/img0092k.jpg">

<img src="http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5091/img0093iya.jpg">

<img src="http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9076/img0094wfi.jpg">

Here's some pictures of the rear end being fitted:

<img src="http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7595/img0181a.jpg">

<img src="http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5370/img0182.jpg">

and finally heres a quick shot of the new bumper:

<img src="http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh114/NOSS-M/DSC00774.jpg">

Ant118
04-02-2009, 05:50 PM
When did u get rid of the charger? GL with that man gonna be sick.

ImolaZHP
04-02-2009, 09:58 PM
awesome!!

325vert
04-02-2009, 11:33 PM
I didn't this you could improve on perfection.

I was wrong again.

Al's
04-03-2009, 01:02 AM
good you did it before me.. now bimmersport cant gain the experience from ur car and apply it to mine after :)..

greekthang
04-03-2009, 07:31 AM
Well well well look at this guy !!!! Nice job Kev. Ill be at charlies next week wednesday so Ill make sure I take your motor with me before I leave LOL.

Good job man should be fun when its all done *th-up*

kevin325
04-03-2009, 12:03 PM
When did u get rid of the charger? GL with that man gonna be sick.

Thanks bro!

I got rid of it right before the new year, a member on the board picked it up and he's making real good power.

awesome!!

*th-up*

I didn't this you could improve on perfection.

I was wrong again.

thanks a lot budd!

Well well well look at this guy !!!! Nice job Kev. Ill be at charlies next week wednesday so Ill make sure I take your motor with me before I leave LOL.

Good job man should be fun when its all done *th-up*

LOLOL georgie...what time are you going by the shop on Wednesday?

thanks a lot brother, we all should meet up for some drinks soon.

greekthang
04-03-2009, 12:33 PM
Kev my car will be there all day from 9am on.

Im getting new coilovers, aluminum rad, new water pump fan delete and fresh fuilds all around !!!

I will be at Chariles shop from noon on just going to Square One with the girlfriend in the morning then Ill spend the rest of the day at the shop.

Of coarse we should go for drinks. Get that faded brown guy Jonny aboard and will go out for sure

Jon@Bimmersport
04-03-2009, 06:29 PM
I'm down guys!! Just not wednesday :p

dbworld4k
04-03-2009, 06:51 PM
What's that? Coopers on Wednesday?

ABUSTAIF
04-03-2009, 08:03 PM
kev , congrats on the swap iam gonna call the shop and c wn its ready i gotta take it for a rip before u :P
BIG G . after buggin me all of last year for the rad and fluids now u r doin wn iam not there no more love for Moe Money?
Guys be boys and lets do it on thursday i can't on wed. and if u guys go with out me every one is gettin slapped . (not u Big G and Not u charlie)
Summer 2009 here we come

greekthang
04-04-2009, 01:17 AM
LOL Moe fu*king money Moe fu*king problems. Moe where the hell have you been. Get you PhD for york and become a doctor. Leave the rads and fluids to us. LOL

It been to long my good friend too long. You guys name the time and place and I will be there I promise !!!!

Hey Moe remember this:

George: Moe fu*k Im getting mad !!!
Moe: Georgie please calm down we dont need problems

LOL !!!!!!!!!

kevin325
04-06-2009, 12:27 PM
LOOOL!

im down for thursday...

ABUSTAIF
04-06-2009, 01:42 PM
Big G u know i always got love for fluids and rads.

wt can i say, u r too big for some one to get u mad :P

i heard Johnny is taking care of the food and drinks on Thursday
;)

kevin325
04-06-2009, 02:03 PM
hes taking care of the drinks, food, and the "appetizer"....

arent you now mr blaze?

c4sh
04-06-2009, 11:38 PM
thats gonna be sick , btw i love your e46 looks so aggressive !

kevin325
04-08-2009, 03:22 PM
thats gonna be sick , btw i love your e46 looks so aggressive !

thanks a lot!

more updates to follow!

kevin325
04-21-2009, 08:20 PM
heres some updated pictures:

<img src="http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5395/e92tipsperformancebrake.jpg">

<img src="http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5395/e92tipsperformancebrake.jpg">

<img src="http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5395/e92tipsperformancebrake.jpg">

<img src="http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5395/e92tipsperformancebrake.jpg">

<img src="http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9813/e92tipsperformancebrakeh.jpg">

Much love to Mikey (Zimmie)

Al's
04-21-2009, 11:16 PM
*th-up* this is going to be amazing mate.


any set date on completion ?

piotrek636
04-22-2009, 04:25 PM
Kev, ever thought that you wished you just got an m3 to start with ?

kevin325
04-22-2009, 07:23 PM
no actual date has been set but im aiming for end of next week.

that wish never crosses my mind thanks to Bimmersport ;)

tig
04-28-2009, 08:26 PM
i smell HPF ??? *rockout*

kevin325
04-29-2009, 11:44 AM
as soon as the wallet recovers bro....

Engine is in!!!

<img src="http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3637/kevin325i001.jpg">

<img src="http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9353/kevin325i002.jpg">

<img src="http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/654/kevin325i003.jpg">

Again, big thanks to Mikey and Charlie.....they are making huge progress given how busy the shop is.

I will keep updating the pics as they come in.

kevin325
05-19-2009, 08:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4VG-dCTkz4

greekthang
05-19-2009, 09:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4VG-dCTkz4

Kev I heard the exhaust at the shop. Ummmm you will be getting tickets galore buddy LOL

Car looks nice with the M in it

Congrats

piotrek636
05-20-2009, 07:38 AM
that's sick !

why can't I rev my M54 like that ? :(

kevin325
05-20-2009, 04:58 PM
Kev I heard the exhaust at the shop. Ummmm you will be getting tickets galore buddy LOL

Car looks nice with the M in it

Congrats

thanks big G.


that's sick !

why can't I rev my M54 like that ? :(

you can ;)

ZiMMie
05-20-2009, 09:57 PM
that's sick !

why can't I rev my M54 like that ? :(

ITB's FTW!

JNSchnitzer
05-21-2009, 08:17 AM
Is the car out of the shop now Kev?

kevin325
05-22-2009, 12:28 AM
its finished tomorrow but i can't take delivery until Tuesday because i'm going away *mumble*.

///Mmm
05-22-2009, 12:55 AM
Sick car!!*uzi*

And btw , the sound of the car is worth the tickets!!*mw*

Michel
05-22-2009, 01:10 AM
its finished tomorrow but i can't take delivery until Tuesday because i'm going away *mumble*.

ahh that sucks, I can pick it up for you if you want? :idea:*angel*

kevin325
05-26-2009, 03:24 PM
Sick car!!*uzi*

And btw , the sound of the car is worth the tickets!!*mw*

haha thanks!


ahh that sucks, I can pick it up for you if you want? :idea:*angel*

LOL. i'm going to pick it up after work today, your too late :P

rider-.
04-11-2011, 01:41 PM
WOW thread resurrection! For anyone who has done this swap, I am concerned about the wiring portion. Now my question, if i get the m3 engine harness, is it just plug and play? or do I need to do any splicing or anything? how much wiring work is actually required?

Tom
05-06-2011, 04:22 PM
lol his car has been done for over a year, Also you can take his motor as its blown and he got a new motor! haha

rider-.
05-07-2011, 03:12 PM
how did the motor blow? how much for the blown motor?

Tom
05-07-2011, 11:28 PM
not sure how much he wants but something to do with oil cooler braking off when he got in accident I believe, PM kevin and ask him... would be a awesome rebuild motor project!how did the motor blow? how much for the blown motor?

kevin325
05-10-2011, 12:42 PM
the engine did not start ticking due to the "fender bender" - it was due to a tie strapped oil cooler done by the original shop who installed it which was hit by a light patch of snow as my car was really low at the time and it broke off the oil cooler.

I replied to your PM regarding the price.

Tom
05-10-2011, 05:27 PM
lol isn't that what I said?the engine did not start ticking due to the "fender bender" - it was due to a tie strapped oil cooler done by the original shop who installed it which was hit by a light patch of snow as my car was really low at the time and it broke off the oil cooler.

I replied to your PM regarding the price.

davericher20
05-10-2011, 10:36 PM
If this is the same car I heard about the work the shop did. Really sad. Tie strapped? like rope or fabric??

slowdubbin68
05-20-2011, 04:35 PM
Just read up about this car, such a shame man. Gave a good heads up as to where to stay away from, hopefully new members can find it in time.

Tom
05-22-2011, 01:44 PM
If this is the same car I heard about the work the shop did. Really sad. Tie strapped? like rope or fabric??

Just read up about this car, such a shame man. Gave a good heads up as to where to stay away from, hopefully new members can find it in time.

Your both wrong, the "shop" that did this swap and my swap was one tech which no longers works for this "shop" and he has his own shop that everyone raves about now! not going to say names but yes he does amazing work but no point in pointing fingers at any "shop" when only one mech worked on the car. So stop talking smack *no-no*:D

NERO
05-23-2011, 03:29 PM
I believe they say this because the "shop" is responsible for anyone that works inside it.

So by what you are saying we need to now be carefule of two shops? Please tell me where the bad worker went..

Thank you

slowdubbin68
05-23-2011, 04:20 PM
Your both wrong, the "shop" that did this swap and my swap was one tech which no longers works for this "shop" and he has his own shop that everyone raves about now! not going to say names but yes he does amazing work but no point in pointing fingers at any "shop" when only one mech worked on the car. So stop talking smack *no-no*:D

What exactly was I wrong about ? Yeah ...

NERO
05-23-2011, 05:19 PM
What exactly was I wrong about ? Yeah ...

Im thinking you suppost to say Bimmersport and Stance Factory is no good? Thats what TOM is said, *th-up*

davericher20
05-23-2011, 09:31 PM
Im thinking you suppost to say Bimmersport and Stance Factory is no good? Thats what TOM is said, *th-up*

oh sh** now the threads gettin locked yo!!!!

Tom
05-23-2011, 09:33 PM
BOTH SHOPS are awesome, everyone makes mistakes here and there. Also its not the persons fault who did the work trust me the guy is a genius in my eyes. How could it be the mechanics fault that the oil cooler messed up and his oil drained or whatever happened other than the fact they used zip ties to mount his oil cooler which is pretty lame but sh!t happens I guess. My oil cooler just recently started leaking to, its not the shops fault, its what happens when you buy USED parts. Gotta love max drama fcplm

slowdubbin68
05-23-2011, 11:10 PM
BOTH SHOPS are awesome, everyone makes mistakes here and there. Also its not the persons fault who did the work trust me the guy is a genius in my eyes. How could it be the mechanics fault that the oil cooler messed up and his oil drained or whatever happened other than the fact they used zip ties to mount his oil cooler which is pretty lame but sh!t happens I guess. My oil cooler just recently started leaking to, its not the shops fault, its what happens when you buy USED parts. Gotta love max drama fcplm

Thats one expensive mistake *th-up*

EuroSpec_92
05-24-2011, 12:51 AM
lmao check how many zip ties they used when your car is done.

Tom
05-24-2011, 10:17 AM
None my new Hpf oil cooler bolts right upto my intercooler :)

Jon@Bimmersport
05-24-2011, 02:37 PM
Im thinking you (you're) suppost (supposed) to say Bimmersport Automotive and Stance Factory is no good? Thats what TOM is (has) said, *th-up*

I don't think he said any shop is no good. I'm thinking you are trying to do nothing more than stir up the pot. Give it a rest, this whole thing is a bit tiring. There's only one person I'd assuming that's what he's "supposed to say".

What is with the posts about professionalism...not being so professional?

NERO
05-24-2011, 07:55 PM
I am sorry my english is not best. I just read on here and post my thoughts.

If its ok to fix cars with tie straps at Bimmersport AUTOMOTIVE. I will take my car to other shop, or dealer if that the case.

Jon@Bimmersport
05-24-2011, 08:10 PM
I am sorry my english is not best. I just read on here and post my thoughts.

If its ok to fix cars with tie straps at Bimmersport AUTOMOTIVE. I will take my car to other shop, or dealer if that the case.

I feel ya on that and I'm sorry, being criticized by someone who does not even know you, met you, or have anything to do with you pick on things they don't know enough about isn't the most touching thing. That's nothing though, being criticized by someone's boss who can't even using their own account is even worse!

You can take your car to the dealer, we have fixed cars from the dealer and so have other shops. I have seen work from other shops who bash companies like Active (funny thing is, they're going to be installing one of Active's products!) and say their DIY intake systems are better (an airbox with a HUGE unevenly cut hole under the air filter) then its you're choice.

My point is - no matter who perfect you say someone is or anyone makes themselves out to be they never are. The difference is, the people that come and tell me about the "other" shop aren't people that run to the boards to post about it, nor do I ask them to. I have heard some shops requesting people to do that, like it will make the customer's life any better by doing so...clearly what Tom said (or what people are trying to make it seem) is his own decision, and his own thoughts.

NERO
05-24-2011, 08:36 PM
I am sorry, did not mean to insult. But what I read on this site shows some bad things, and I just wanted to know if it was true.

EuroSpec_92
05-25-2011, 12:11 AM
I am sorry, did not mean to insult. But what I read on this site shows some bad things, and I just wanted to know if it was true.

It is true otherwise why else post, i find that shops who arnt so caught up in the "bmw specialist" scene are normally the ones who put some pride in their work and it shows. Only so many people can go to one mechanic and mention that they had last serviced their vehicle at bimmersport, and have unchanged parts found and a about a 100 pack up zip ties under the hood. Who cares anyway....

Tom
05-25-2011, 10:39 AM
Lol How dumb does someone have to be to not notice that the new parts were not installed, that sounds like some bogus to me that other shops talk crap because there jealous, sorry but look at half the shops in the GTA there holes in the wall with crap tools, now look at bimmersports shop. Your a troll now get out of this thread if you have nothing good to say. In the 3-4 years bimmersport has serviced my car I have been more than happy everytime I pick it up so stop bsing...It is true otherwise why else post, i find that shops who arnt so caught up in the "bmw specialist" scene are normally the ones who put some pride in their work and it shows. Only so many people can go to one mechanic and mention that they had last serviced their vehicle at bimmersport, and have unchanged parts found and a about a 100 pack up zip ties under the hood. Who cares anyway....

Jon@Bimmersport
05-25-2011, 12:41 PM
Lol How dumb does someone have to be to not notice that the new parts were not installed, that sounds like some bogus to me that other shops talk crap because there jealous, sorry but look at half the shops in the GTA there holes in the wall with crap tools, now look at bimmersports shop. Your a troll now get out of this thread if you have nothing good to say. In the 3-4 years bimmersport has serviced my car I have been more than happy everytime I pick it up so stop bsing...

Tom,

Don't worry - there's going to be a lot of haters, but you cannot please everybody. Some people are just too persistent, Eurospec_92 used to be another board member who got banned for just having nothing to positively contribute to the board. Aaron, you should know (and so should your friend with this 'shop') that what goes around, comes around. You say just because they are not as "involved" (I am assuming you mean online) you are very misinformed, or I should say blind to the obvious.

Maybe the guy with the E36 M3 V8 should chime in on his headaches? I guess he has a completely different (and respectable) character than the others because I don't see the shop that actually COMPLETED a running vehicle (IN HOUSE, and not sent out) bash the one that never did.

Nero, you want the truth? Ever wonder why the "project_e36" username was soooo inclined on ripping on the work DANIMAL had done? I guess since he doesn't work there anymore he could let you all know.

NERO
05-25-2011, 07:45 PM
Jon, you seem to worry to much about other shops.

You shoud worry about yourself and the jobs you do at your work.

slowdubbin68
05-25-2011, 08:17 PM
Tom,

Don't worry - there's going to be a lot of haters, but you cannot please everybody. Some people are just too persistent, Eurospec_92 used to be another board member who got banned for just having nothing to positively contribute to the board. Aaron, you should know (and so should your friend with this 'shop') that what goes around, comes around. You say just because they are not as "involved" (I am assuming you mean online) you are very misinformed, or I should say blind to the obvious.

Maybe the guy with the E36 M3 V8 should chime in on his headaches? I guess he has a completely different (and respectable) character than the others because I don't see the shop that actually COMPLETED a running vehicle (IN HOUSE, and not sent out) bash the one that never did.

Nero, you want the truth? Ever wonder why the "project_e36" username was soooo inclined on ripping on the work DANIMAL had done? I guess since he doesn't work there anymore he could let you all know.

The last sentence has nothing to do with anything remotely even close to do with kevin325's situation. Why mention two other parties which have nothing to do with work that was completed inside of your shop.


Its hard enough to try and make out what exactly what you're rambling on about, but some of us, and I'm sure many maxbimmer members in general would like to know what really happened, and you're definitely not helping your case by mentioning other shops etc...

Tom
05-25-2011, 08:27 PM
Ask project e36 what his ex boss did on his account ;)

What does he have to explain bout Kevin325 I know more about it than Jon as Kevin is a good buddy of mine, he got into a accident and the oil cooler snapped off causing his oil to leak and later on his motor started ticking, yes this is due to using tie straps as if it was properly welded with a bracket holding the oil cooler it most likely would not have snapped off causing his oil to leak. Shit happens I guess but also people do no know that bimmersport them selves did not source the engine or other parts for Kevin or my swap.. honestly you all need to grow up, look how many cars come out of bimmersport daily perfectly fine, do you know how many motors have been popped from other shops though? Plently!

P.s. HPF themselves told me the mechanics at bimmersport are competent and do amazing work but I guess you trolls know best!

330Ci_OB
05-25-2011, 11:44 PM
I've read 80% of the posts about this engine swap story on here and e46fanatic, quite a soap opera. :)

Like someone else said, you want an M3? just buy one and save all the headaches! IMHO...

Jon@Bimmersport
05-26-2011, 12:04 AM
Jon, you seem to worry to much about other shops.

You shoud worry about yourself and the jobs you do at your work.

Nero,

Like I mentioned before, for someone so new to the boards and the community - I feel you should know more about the situation or more importantly who I am in this very situation from beginning to end in the first place to judge what I'm doing. Thanks though, I'll definitely note your comment...but you should worry about your own situation, rather than keep digging up one from more than a year ago, with different company structure as well as different staff in total.

Jon@Bimmersport
05-26-2011, 12:09 AM
Ask project e36 what his ex boss did on his account ;)

What does he have to explain bout Kevin325 I know more about it than Jon as Kevin is a good buddy of mine, he got into a accident and the oil cooler snapped off causing his oil to leak and later on his motor started ticking, yes this is due to using tie straps as if it was properly welded with a bracket holding the oil cooler it most likely would not have snapped off causing his oil to leak. Shit happens I guess but also people do no know that bimmersport them selves did not source the engine or other parts for Kevin or my swap.. honestly you all need to grow up, look how many cars come out of bimmersport daily perfectly fine, do you know how many motors have been popped from other shops though? Plently!

P.s. HPF themselves told me the mechanics at bimmersport are competent and do amazing work but I guess you trolls know best!

Thanks for the words Tom and understanding to the situation as a whole.

V8specialist
05-26-2011, 07:27 AM
It sounds like these shops are on a hating spree. Yes this persons oil cooler was held on with tie straps... ?????
And this other shop with these airbox holes... Not defending anyone, but which one does anyone think is more of a risk for potential engine damage?I'm sure there is more to the story than anyone on this site knows.
U can always change an airbox. And I guess in kevin's case, you can always change an engine..which is rather unfortunate. I guess at the time nobody realized tie straps Woukd melt from a hot oil cooler...what can you do!
I wish all parties involved a proper resolution...

I'm sure there is more to this story than anyone on this board knows ... Maybe the parties involved should discuss in person? Avoid the childish internet banter, be men, and resolve it...

damameke
05-26-2011, 09:24 AM
When you are in the news business and when it is a slow day.. you make up some story...or rumour...

someone was probably bored a few days ago and dug out this old thread, now looks like it is going viral...in a bad way...

eom......

Jon@Bimmersport
05-26-2011, 09:47 AM
When you are in the news business and when it is a slow day.. you make up some story...or rumour...

someone was probably bored a few days ago and dug out this old thread, now looks like it is going viral...in a bad way...

eom......

Customers will get upset, and start a war against a shop. That is OK with me.

Maybe, what should prevent this is what MY customers do. When a feedback thread for a shop happens in a negative way - don't whore all over the thread and 2 bit line about zip ties when you know NOTHING about the situation besides what you read.

It's not about being bored my friend, it's about being immature.

Let me ask everybody this. If it is SUCH a huge problem about the way the oil cooler was mounted, why did NONE of the people who criticized it come up with an idea to remedy the problem BEFORE this happened. Not just my tech saw it, another shop owner who is favored here specifically in this thread (discretely) did not do any "proper" mounting of it when the car has been there for numerous work, inspection 2, valve adjustments etc. The first shop he took it to on a dyno day did not offer a solution.

Maybe its not ANY of the shops faults, maybe its the customers fault for not going anywhere else to fix it if it was such a problem. Except 2 years later, when your negligence prevails and your oil cooler snaps it is time to take action, but never was it an idea to take PREVENTIVE measures.

kevin325
05-26-2011, 10:14 AM
It's really funny how you guys offset the problems onto totally unrelated things. Tom, the "fender bender" accident did NOT cause any damage to my oil cooler - it was driving over a light patch of snow which caused it. Snow was piled up in the middle from all the cars driving and I hit a patch of snow and the oil cooler came right off.

Lets put my problem aside - lets forget that you guys didn't put any diff oil before installing the diff. lets forget you left my swapped parts outside of the shop for me to pick up. lets forget you didnt even align my DSC and sent me on my way without traction control (and telling me i need a $1000 DSC unit to make it work while a DYNO guru with a GT1 simply aligned my ASC and made it fully functional for FREE). What I listed above are simple mistakes right when you are getting paid a lot of money - and go ahead and blame the mechanic who did it but at the end of the day, the SHOP is responsible for all work performed at their facility.

I am not the only one with problems with your shop, here is a short list of people who have complained and got nothing back in return:

Person #1:

"Brought my car there for a suspension install and a couple little odds and ends.

Suspension was royally messed:
-camber plates backwards
-rear ride height adjusters installed upside down
-didn't tighten front swaybar bushing bracket (bolts almost totally backed out
-coil over sleeve on front passenger strut spun loosely (trying to adjust height would just spin the whole sleeve),
-alignment way out of wack (was given a sheet with handwritten measurements, I didn't trust after seeing the other issues and took it to an alignment shop to be properly adjusted)
-replaced O2 sensor wasn't tightened down (it was loss and rattling)


Its a shame to see Bimmersport has such ongoing issues. My experience was enough to never return."

Person #2:

"There are all sorts of strange garages... I had a guy come over on Friday who has been taking his car to a well known BMW shop that advertises here. He has various problems since they did his s50B32 swap. Recently it has not been idling and running well. They told him it's the MarkD software. The car comes here, what do I see? a hole the size of a penny in the rubber boot between the MAF and intake manifold ... I don't know why that was not fixed before they look for all sorts of other explainations for his problem. "

Person #3:

"Haha... you should see the swapped car here.... same thing, S50B32... and it is the same disaster. I lost all respect for that shop. Turning a blind eye to the way things were installed or solutions taken for various parts, just the sheer amount of loose and missing bolts is appalling."

Person #4:

"the same shop you guys are talking about also forgot to put the gasket for the oil filter on my car when they did the oil change. oil was pouring out during hard acceleration. they told me either pay for the tow fee or drive it back to the shop like that. NOW WHEN I tried to sell the car everyone thinks my car has problems since there is oil EVERYWHERE in the bay and under the chassis they also messed up my sisters X5"

Person #5:

"Add me to the list. Thankfully I didn't get as royally screwed as some of you.

-Reverse lights not working after engine swap
-Lost fuse pick
-Lost wheel lock (had to hammer them off)
-Shoddy alignment
-Broken/missing header bolts
-Stripped engine cover
-Front bumper undertray screwed in
-Front control arm bushing pre-loaded"

So explain to me how "mistakes are made here and there". This definitely doesn't look like "here and there" to me. And I can put my house on it that there are a boat load of other people that got screwed but just chose not to be vocal as me. call it "childish" but when you spend this amount of money with a company and then have them leave your parts outside and tell you to **** off, then sure I will do the same.

This is not a shop war - it's simply a customer vs bimmersport war that will never be won until your sponsorship has been revoked becuase that's the only way we will feel some what happy about getting screwed.

Only if you made things right with your customers, then they would not bash you every chance they got instead of telling them to **** off and leaving their parts outside (very professional).

Ohh and most importantly - IBTL "Since we all know that is what will happen shortly. "

Tom
05-26-2011, 11:07 AM
Sorry Kev I guess I was wrong, I definately feel you on your experience with bimmersport but for some odd reason I havent had any problems, I guess I'm lucky you can say, only complaint I have is time it took to do my swap which is because I had to keep ordering parts I wasn't told to at the beggining but again that was comming from the mech that did my install, which is understandable as to do the s54 you need a LOT of parts, specially lots of dealer only small things, but one thing you can't really blame them for is alignment as they outsource those and if buddy sucks I guess they should just get a new shop to outsource from, the question about time is at your current shops as well though, you have been waiting for a couple weeks to get your new motor/charger to be put in that you said they can do in 1 day which is believable but has it been done yet? Also a ex shop tech from your current shop confessed to his boss, the owner of your shop going on his max account and bashing bimmersport and my car, that's SAD IMO but whatever I guess let him be childish, like I said before get me another bimmer to run and will see how crappy my car runs ;)

Boots R
05-26-2011, 11:24 AM
my engine swap at bimmersport went perfect, no shoddy workmanship on my car (apart from what i do myself)

NERO
05-27-2011, 08:41 PM
I might not know english perfect, but I can understand. Jon I have no situation I just read posts. You are very defence about the problem that makes you look guilty.

I understand you know you make mistake, but talking bad stuff about other people makes Bimmersport look bad.

From what Kevin post, I see you make many people mad.

davericher20
05-28-2011, 12:52 AM
A preventative measure wouldn't have been to properly mount it?

That kills me Jon come on.

Kevin, did you agree that the oil cooler was okay to be mounted by zipties? if so then yeah you got it coming.....

slowdubbin68
05-28-2011, 02:57 AM
I'm still waiting for jons explanation as to why zip ties had even been used on any customers car, I think its quite clear that anyone who is sane would not agree to having zip ties hold onto such a important component of their vehicle. This whole thread is definitely making bimmersport look pathetic and questionable as a forum sponsor.

I really hope Jon comes out and has a reasonable explanation for this issue, because this community cannot have such an irresponsible company fooling new users into thinking they are some great shop with great customer service, and continuing to steal customers money with shady workmanship.

This fight is important for the integrity of maxbimmer, and its users, and I hope to god that new users come across this thread. No I'm not biased to any shop, nor have I been inside any shops in the GTA area ever personally, Im just a casual European car fanatic who believes that hard earned money equals quality work in return.

Jon@Bimmersport
05-28-2011, 03:49 AM
A preventative measure wouldn't have been to properly mount it?

That kills me Jon come on.

Kevin, did you agree that the oil cooler was okay to be mounted by zipties? if so then yeah you got it coming.....

During the installation, the tech did the swap to the best of his abilities and knowledge in the means of fabrication at this time. It was not Kevin's decision in how this was mounted. At the time of this install, I was not on the desk side however when we were doing this job so I do not know if Kevin was consulted at the time. Since the tech is at a different shop, it is hard getting the details of these technicalities to be confirmed.

Either way, the project was not just shortly "wrapped up" at the end as it is not the tech's work habits.

Kevin does know that behind his bumper skin it does not have any underbody panels due to the lack of mounting points for OEM M3 underpanels or any for that matter. If he had this sort of protection (since it makes even more sense when you have parts almost as low as your sway bar, and have a lowered car) to get some sort of protection. A "light patch of snow" or even the build up from a snowplow in the middle of a lane (as I saw Kevin post that somewhere) will not cause this cooler to come off given the car has proper protection. I'm pretty sure some of you have seen my old E36 in the winter with my 19" LM reps tucked inside the rear fender (wheel lip touching fender).....I have not broken or bent anything under that car due to proper paneling.

The tech who installed this, has an S54 with the same mounting and ALL paneling under the car. His car went off the track with no damage to the cooler, and a "light patch" will break this one off? I don't get it, I drove our Eurospec E36 M3 all the way to Active in Florida with the reiger lip sitting 1" off the ground through a blizzard (and on Michelin pilots) and everything is in 1 piece. I literally plowed the highway. Anyone who has seen the highways in Virginia, and the North Carolina during last Nov would know what I mean.

Dave,

If a proper measure could have been done it would have been at the time, however I do not see any one of the shops who noticed this have a solution. The car has been to RMP for a lot of work after our install, how come it was not corrected then to prevent this could happening? It was there from what I read/heard for some work (right before this happened - oh, and the engine was double checked by someone else at a different shop for verification with interesting results...but I won't say anything about that here since I am not the one who checked the vehicle after leaving RMP).

Let me ask you something, what happened to your headlight lens? Did we not replace it for you when that happened? If we did that, why would we not bother to try and fix Kevin's car? We have nothing against Kevin, I used to go with him for dinner weekly he was a good friend of mine.

All of the issues that was our problem in this swap were fixed, why not this?

My whole point is:


"X" The tech worked for Bimmersport Automotive Inc during that period of time (over a year ago) and worked on this swap.
The complaint of the customer to Bimmersport Automotive Inc. was about workmanship on the car, and the manner things were handled between management at the time and himself.
I at the time, respresenting Bimmersport Automotive Inc. talked to Kevin on the phone, and in person at his home during off hours requesting we get to work on the car, fix all the issues and I even proposed a deal with no catches, open options to make up for it ON TOP of fixing the issues
The customer did not go through with the offers
The customer visited more than one shop in regards to the overall condition his car is now in
The technician who worked on the car now leaves Bimmersport Automotive Inc.
The customer did not get the part mentioned in this thread properly mounted by any shop the vehicle regularly sees
The original shop is penalized for the workmanship
The board, continues to penalize the shop for the workmanship - but the board could recognize good work done by the tech at the new shop


The last line - I do not have a problem with the tech, what is going on is you see the tech (or any tech) perfects his work through experience and has clearly shown you guys so - so why am I constantly seeing penalization to the shop - because the shop is responsible? So when the responsibilty of correcting the work that was released, and when not given an opportunity to exercise that duty then what? The shops responsibility is to keep the customers happy and I did all I could except Kevin's demands which just happened THIS year not at the time of his second opinion from other mechanics.

Kevin, if you had decided to come and deal with this situation even with those demands in person maybe this could happen at the time you took it elsewhere. Do not blow it up all over the net, and put open hands to me. You were the one who decided to just "cut us off and move on" from it by deleting all of us from your facebook page, etc and go somewhere else.

This was the worst way to handle a situation when you have your back against the wall, and after hearing how you are doing this in a act of desperation for the money so long after it was done - it makes it very hard to be sensitive and compassionate to your situation hearing what comes from your mouth and the games you are trying to play.

Mistakes happening to often? Just because the people that hear open their mouth about it doesn't mean this is the only place mistakes happen. Mistakes happen at every shop listed on this forum, and around the whole world for that matter. If you do not take it back to the same place that did the mistake, what do you expect to happen - at the majority of shops you go to, not something like what I have tried to do for you (even after a year and some odd months of the initial time this was brought up, and how did it come to my knowledge? Well I did not hear it from a complaint phone call from you.)

Listen maXbimmer,

This problem happenned over a year and some odd months. The customer did not want, from the year and some odd months ago to accept my offer after not only did he fail to bring the car to me, he failed to even address these issues to me. He did not want to accept my offer this year about the same thing. My decision to decline his proposal was AFTER what I found out from the second opinion directly from himself.

The customer has found a new place to go to, he does not recommend you to come here. There are other customers that recommend you to come here, even the a few of the ones who are listed out of those 5 people (because I just worked on one of their personal friend's cars).

The market is big enough for everyone, and I'm not trying to rake you all in to my shop. It is your car, your decision - do it and enjoy your car.

Slowdubbin, just out of curiosity...you have a VW, why do you spend so much time in this thread? It's not like you have ever come to my shop, because we don't work on VW. I don't even know you, and the same thing with you Nero...although I do know one thing about you. *wave*

If you want to know about integrity of this boards forum sponsors (actually one in particular) then maybe you or whoever else should learn what an IP address is and how it works, but forget technology and it's proof...because anyone can photoshop, mask IP addresses and what not...having people who work with or for those people is better. You can go ask them what the truth is.

This is honestly my last post in this thread - if you have any questions, ask me at a meet. If you do not feel like it, use the search button. This topic is going around in more circles than I have ever witnessed in my 9 years on this board.

Tom
05-28-2011, 06:30 PM
Very well said Jon, Slowdubin and Nero you guys need to get a life and stop hating. Also Dave why ask Jon and not the mech that did the swap why he used zip ties, as Jon mentioned he we went off the track and also has zip ties on his car but proper panel protection helped, anyways This is also my last post in this thread, cya guys on the streets ;)

NERO
05-28-2011, 08:04 PM
I cannot believe you still making excuses for using tie strap to hold on a important part of a car. I belive people are blaming you because it was done @ your shop. You should take responsibility like a man, instead of blame your workers.

How do you know me Jon?

slowdubbin68
05-28-2011, 08:15 PM
Id like to know where Jon gets off thinking I don't have a BMW either, this guy must be some magical guru. Not only is he terrible at explaining himself properly, but he simply lacks professionalism.

What ever is produced in your shop, is your shops responsibility as much as the mechanics.

And for Tom, no hating, I'm not biased in any ways, this thread just made me ask questions after the other thread I had been reading was locked.

V8specialist
05-28-2011, 11:32 PM
Very well said Jon, Slowdubin and Nero you guys need to get a life and stop hating. Also Dave why ask Jon and not the mech that did the swap why he used zip ties, as Jon mentioned he we went off the track and also has zip ties on his car but proper panel protection helped, anyways This is also my last post in this thread, cya guys on the streets ;)

Tom , so you're saying if this happened to you, you would be ok with it?
I don't those guys are hating, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, after all this is a public board. It sounds like you represent this fellow Jon and his shop, from how you are wording things.
I also do not understand how RMP is supposed to know this oil cooler was mounted with tie straps. When some one pays for a service, should they assume it's done with tie straps? No I don't think so. Im sure RMP assumed the work was done PROPERLY. if they could read minds, and have X-ray vision, they would have seen the chosen method of installation by the old tech at Jon shop, and informed the client. If every mechanic had to do a fine tooth inspection on every car out there, assuming all the work was bad, nobody would make any money ....

In the End, from being relatively new to this Toronto based board... And based on the info provided..would not ever use this shop, based simply on how they are handling it, and how Jon is representing his shop. Alot more professionalism would have been expected.....

So this guy kevin, what's going on with his car? Everyone on Here is blaming everyone else, nobody actually cares if the problem is getting resolved????

iverson03tj
05-29-2011, 05:32 AM
Well, im currently the second owner of a car that has been swaped and s/ced from bimmersport and i believe its been serviced at bimmer sport for like 4-5 years or something like that, and after taking the whole car apart.... i have nothing bad to say. everything was done really clean, only had trouble taking the long ass bolt that holds the s/c'er bracket and alternator, but a quick search on bf.c shows that its common with the AA kit.


Good job guys :)

Michel
05-29-2011, 02:37 PM
our family has been servicing 4 different bmw's we've had over the past 6 years at bimmersport, and have never had any problems. (including many family friends that we referred) Had a problem once where my valve cover gasket was leaking after some service; they replaced it for free.. that was my only problem lolllll. this is the typical forum effect, the 1% of customers that have had a bad experience post on forums and get all dramatic, whereas the 99% of customers that are happy aren't gonna come and say 'hi all, my car is running well today. have a good day.'

iverson03tj
05-29-2011, 09:10 PM
You all gotta understand were just human, mistakes will be made, no and then, and yes there are that 1% and yes if it was my car i would be mad too, but don't kill a mans hard work and years of building a company up just because a few mistakes were made.

don_miguel
05-30-2011, 03:21 PM
Talk about confusion! I went back to the other threads with "Kevin325" to read all about this situation. Being new here, and a big fan of consumer reports this info is real useful.

One thing I don't get is if Jon made all those offers since the car left, why didn't the car go back? Or at the time why didn't the OP make a counter offer? After reading all the threads so many people have missed the obvious and just keep blurbing out non-sense! I guess it pays off to be an accountant...all that number crunching did me some good. :)

EDIT: I just made my appointment with BMW Autohaus (sorry little guys...I don't want the headache)

NERO
05-30-2011, 08:38 PM
Talk about confusion! I went back to the other threads with "Kevin325" to read all about this situation. Being new here, and a big fan of consumer reports this info is real useful.

One thing I don't get is if Jon made all those offers since the car left, why didn't the car go back? Or at the time why didn't the OP make a counter offer? After reading all the threads so many people have missed the obvious and just keep blurbing out non-sense! I guess it pays off to be an accountant...all that number crunching did me some good. :)

EDIT: I just made my appointment with BMW Autohaus (sorry little guys...I don't want the headache)


LoL You are funny. Why don't you go to bimmersport instead of dealer, and you can find out why he no want to go back.

You really think dealer won't give Headache? LOL..

If I had to go to dealer I would sell my BMW. Its too much money and bad service.

damameke
05-30-2011, 10:35 PM
LoL You are funny. Why don't you go to bimmersport instead of dealer, and you can find out why he no want to go back.

You really think dealer won't give Headache? LOL..

If I had to go to dealer I would sell my BMW. Its too much money and bad service.

hmmm even dealership provides bad service....and headache.. so really.. Bimmersport isnt that bad....and cheaper too.....isnt it?

V8specialist
05-31-2011, 07:29 AM
hmmm even dealership provides bad service....and headache.. so really.. Bimmersport isnt that bad....and cheaper too.....isnt it?

So you're saying you get what you pay for? I guess this Kevin kid only paid $10 for his swap, if that's the case..

don_miguel
05-31-2011, 11:51 AM
LoL You are funny. Why don't you go to bimmersport instead of dealer, and you can find out why he no want to go back.

You really think dealer won't give Headache? LOL..

If I had to go to dealer I would sell my BMW. Its too much money and bad service.

Well Nero, I actually never had a problem with the dealer and for me, money is not the issue. I really do like the loaner car, and service they offer.

To be honest I'm going follow what damaneke said if I do choose one of these shops. I mean, the only people I have pointing me away from "Bimmersport" is 3 people in this thread. I know "Kevin325" had a bad experience, but what I get is that this is under old staff...so I wonder what has changed with the new staff?

V8Specialist...so where do you suppose I go?

slowdubbin68
05-31-2011, 01:32 PM
Well Nero, I actually never had a problem with the dealer and for me, money is not the issue. I really do like the loaner car, and service they offer.

To be honest I'm going follow what damaneke said if I do choose one of these shops. I mean, the only people I have pointing me away from "Bimmersport" is 3 people in this thread. I know "Kevin325" had a bad experience, but what I get is that this is under old staff...so I wonder what has changed with the new staff?

V8Specialist...so where do you suppose I go?

There is quite a few shops around with excellent customer service, but this is not the thread for that, as its in bimmersport section.

V8specialist
05-31-2011, 11:04 PM
Well Nero, I actually never had a problem with the dealer and for me, money is not the issue. I really do like the loaner car, and service they offer.

To be honest I'm going follow what damaneke said if I do choose one of these shops. I mean, the only people I have pointing me away from "Bimmersport" is 3 people in this thread. I know "Kevin325" had a bad experience, but what I get is that this is under old staff...so I wonder what has changed with the new staff?

V8Specialist...so where do you suppose I go?

To be quite honest, that's totally your call. Somewhere that provides quality work for a decent price, with a good service history. Check out some of the other sponsors here, perhaps start a poll... Get some opinions .. Just a suggestion :)

damameke
06-01-2011, 11:47 AM
Start a poll???....existing thread.....

http://www.maxbimmer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76189&page=12

Bliss
06-01-2011, 03:37 PM
Thought i would mention this here as this member was quite involved in this discussion. Username "NERO" was banned permanently due to using the username "NERO" as an alias. I will not disclose their actual username to defy embarrassment.

Tutankhamon
06-02-2011, 01:14 PM
It never seems to end ... so much sh*t seems to be said about this "shop". It would be so much more convenient for me (due to where I live) to take my car to this "shop" in order to get the engine swap that I want to get done.

But it's stories like this that really can ruin a shop's reputation. To try and place all the blame on a tech rather than accept it as a collective shop and business is truly childish. People would have a lot more respect if the shop accepts responsibility for their actions.

My engine swap will be done at RMP, no question about it.

tie straps.... lol what a f'n joke.

slowdubbin68
06-02-2011, 10:29 PM
It never seems to end ... so much sh*t seems to be said about this "shop". It would be so much more convenient for me (due to where I live) to take my car to this "shop" in order to get the engine swap that I want to get done.

But it's stories like this that really can ruin a shop's reputation. To try and place all the blame on a tech rather than accept it as a collective shop and business is truly childish. People would have a lot more respect if the shop accepts responsibility for their actions.

My engine swap will be done at RMP, no question about it.

tie straps.... lol what a f'n joke.

Well I hope that this thread gets through to many more people looking to do swaps as well. *uzi*

Michel
06-02-2011, 11:11 PM
^ lol whats being said? its always the same 2-3 ppl complaining about the same thing in different threads... and 1 guy changing alias' every week and bashing. did you NOT read what Bliss said above??

btw ive heard of many horror stories at ur 'alternate' shop. pm me if you wanna know.

slowdubbin68
06-02-2011, 11:18 PM
^ lol whats being said? its always the same 2-3 ppl complaining about the same thing in different threads... and 1 guy changing alias' every week and bashing. did you NOT read what Bliss said above??

btw ive heard of many horror stories at ur 'alternate' shop. pm me if you wanna know.

You cant read whats being said ? what alternate shop ? why don't you quote who you're talking to. Yeah ok 1 guy was an alias, so the mod should air the guys regular account out, instead of saying he will save the embarrassment.

Michel
06-02-2011, 11:41 PM
when I put a ^ then im voicing the post above... no need to quote. and for the alternate shop, there was only one other shop mentioned in this thread. put 2 and 2 together.

btw in a proper argument, when the opposing view starts to get personal in their defence and attack, as you did, it means they have no real response to the argument. pm me if you want to know about some 'great work' done at rmp and ill tell u.

damameke
06-03-2011, 09:26 AM
I didnt want to add fuel to this thread but new max members and or using "alais" had brought this old thread to life...so this is my persective...

Hey guys.. I am not associated with Bimmsport but all the posts that I did were neutral unlike some.

Reason:,, I do not know the "real" story behind except from what I had read in here.. like "He said and "He said". and was reported after many months had lapsed after the swap.

From my persective, Jon had extended what no Customer service or company had done again based on what I had read from his posts but ultimately OP declined..for reason he only knew...enough effort were made by Jon to right a wrong even tho another tech did the swap..

Having said that..the ex-tech had the same setup on his current ride, which many of you knew and gloat about...so why isnt his cooler dropped off when he went "off track"? ..again from what I had read...

Many times we jumped to conculsion and I believed its herd mentality,,

If you do not want or trust this shop to maintainn or swap your engine.. dont go there, negative opinions without really knowing the full story can be hurtful to a person or company....and I am sure we were not driving BMW when Charlie already has his shop going...

Michel.. ok, I cant resist....PMed......

don_miguel
06-03-2011, 09:30 AM
when I put a ^ then im voicing the post above... no need to quote. and for the alternate shop, there was only one other shop mentioned in this thread. put 2 and 2 together.

btw in a proper argument, when the opposing view starts to get personal in their defence and attack, as you did, it means they have no real response to the argument. pm me if you want to know about some 'great work' done at rmp and ill tell u.

Wow this board has info from every angle. Would you be able to PM me as well? I'm pretty new here, and I agree with what your saying. It seems as if each shop has it's own unofficial representatives (or something of that nature) to go look out for them.

kevin325
06-03-2011, 10:01 AM
^ lol whats being said? its always the same 2-3 ppl complaining about the same thing in different threads... and 1 guy changing alias' every week and bashing. did you NOT read what Bliss said above??

btw ive heard of many horror stories at ur 'alternate' shop. pm me if you wanna know.

If you think I'm going around and changing alias' every week then i really don't know what to say to you.

It's not always the same 2-3 people bashing. I just listed 5 people complaining about how they paid this "shop" and never got the serviced which they deserved. I am not saying every single customer is getting screwed, but there is a lot of us - so no it's not the same "1 guy" complaining every single week with a different alias.

I won't even post up about my problem anymore how about that?? - here's the 5 people which I listed earlier. Since you are proud customer of this shop which you represent, can you please chime in and address the following issues that OTHER customers brought up:

Person #1:

"Brought my car there for a suspension install and a couple little odds and ends.

Suspension was royally messed:
-camber plates backwards
-rear ride height adjusters installed upside down
-didn't tighten front swaybar bushing bracket (bolts almost totally backed out
-coil over sleeve on front passenger strut spun loosely (trying to adjust height would just spin the whole sleeve),
-alignment way out of wack (was given a sheet with handwritten measurements, I didn't trust after seeing the other issues and took it to an alignment shop to be properly adjusted)
-replaced O2 sensor wasn't tightened down (it was loss and rattling)


Its a shame to see Bimmersport has such ongoing issues. My experience was enough to never return."

Person #2:

"There are all sorts of strange garages... I had a guy come over on Friday who has been taking his car to a well known BMW shop that advertises here. He has various problems since they did his s50B32 swap. Recently it has not been idling and running well. They told him it's the MarkD software. The car comes here, what do I see? a hole the size of a penny in the rubber boot between the MAF and intake manifold ... I don't know why that was not fixed before they look for all sorts of other explainations for his problem. "

Person #3:

"Haha... you should see the swapped car here.... same thing, S50B32... and it is the same disaster. I lost all respect for that shop. Turning a blind eye to the way things were installed or solutions taken for various parts, just the sheer amount of loose and missing bolts is appalling."

Person #4:

"the same shop you guys are talking about also forgot to put the gasket for the oil filter on my car when they did the oil change. oil was pouring out during hard acceleration. they told me either pay for the tow fee or drive it back to the shop like that. NOW WHEN I tried to sell the car everyone thinks my car has problems since there is oil EVERYWHERE in the bay and under the chassis they also messed up my sisters X5"

Person #5:

"Add me to the list. Thankfully I didn't get as royally screwed as some of you.

-Reverse lights not working after engine swap
-Lost fuse pick
-Lost wheel lock (had to hammer them off)
-Shoddy alignment
-Broken/missing header bolts
-Stripped engine cover
-Front bumper undertray screwed in
-Front control arm bushing pre-loaded"

I'll also bite the bullet and go ahead and post a few other people who have complained about this god like shop:

Person 6:

"Car runs amazing now, they fixed alot of issues that bimmersport created. They re tuned the cams as they were not done right from them. Also alot of small things that looked liked it was rushed together. But what killed me is that I paid all this money to them and after the head was installed and things were not running right charlie would turn to me and say what do you want me to do now.

paid big and good money to them but the service was lacking to detail and care. I also found that it took forever to get things done as they were learning half the stuff from my car. Or that I was tired of not having and License person working on the car. Its o.k to have a apprentice but not to be left alone to work on cars as if they are license. You know what I mean."

Person 7:

"I have a good idea what they are capable of as people tell me and I have to send them to other shops to get the problems fixed. One guy goes in for a timing chain tensioner on his 540, and it runs like crap after. A few valves were bent in the process.. but they said the car came in like that. I have other fine stories also.

Listen to this one: I heard that they installed a meth kit on a 335i but just ran the hose into the intake, they didn't even install a meth nozzle!"


So please tell me how it's the same person always complaining or changing alias'? Just becuase I speak my mind and I'm not scared to talk about my experience makes me the same person complaining? Instead of Bruce doing IP checks, he should do some sponsor checks and see what this "shop" is doing to his members that helped him build this forum - but I guess $$$ talks.

I thought you guys were gonna let this die down but you keep bumping it - it's really working against you. And please do share your "horror" stories - same one you posted on E46Fanatics? lol - I should use the rebuttal "all shops make mistakes".

I guess I will make this my "last post" as well - unless you guys keep posting non sense that does not RELATE to the problem that this shop has with previous customers and keep bringing up "other" shops who are doing their own thing and not minding what these people do. If not, we can do this dance all year.

MarkD
06-03-2011, 10:14 AM
I want to know why I have e90 owners telling me that Jon says never to take your car to MarkD for tuning as he does not know what he is doing. And someone else made a post in that closed thread (and then removed it a minute later) saying why I am talking, he can say many horror stories about me. Well I haven't heard them yet, I wonder where those come from? And why would he remove that post after one minute?

By the way, "the tech who left" was not working there when Herb Wong's e30 550b32 swap was done. Maye Herb or craz azn will chime in on that one. On Tuesday May 24, we were at a track day at Mosport and it was still suffering from some troubles directly related to the install. It also only lasted only 1 day at Targa Newfoundland, I wonder why. And now it is running the same software that another s50b32 E30 swap owner was told was the cause of his problems. (not the big hole just after his MAF) :D

I have refrained from posting here so this will probably be the only thing I have to say. Bimmersport can run their operation any way they like, just don't talk BS about others.

Jon@Bimmersport
06-03-2011, 11:58 AM
I guess this makes that one my second last post.

If you think I'm going around and changing alias' every week then i really don't know what to say to you.

You don't have anything to say, because no one is talking about you making aliases?

It's not always the same 2-3 people bashing. I just listed 5 people complaining about how they paid this "shop" and never got the serviced which they deserved. I am not saying every single customer is getting screwed, but there is a lot of us - so no it's not the same "1 guy" complaining every single week with a different alias.

Rudy is not a customer of my shop, and neither is MarkD. Some of the actual customers of the cars still come here, one of the owners of the Targa car is a service advisor at BMW who I work with all the time. If he really was as pissed as you make it out to be, why is referring people to us?

I won't even post up about my problem anymore how about that?? - here's the 5 people which I listed earlier. Since you are proud customer of this shop which you represent, can you please chime in and address the following issues that OTHER customers brought up:


Person #1:

"Brought my car there for a suspension install and a couple little odds and ends.

Suspension was royally messed:
-camber plates backwards
-rear ride height adjusters installed upside down
-didn't tighten front swaybar bushing bracket (bolts almost totally backed out
-coil over sleeve on front passenger strut spun loosely (trying to adjust height would just spin the whole sleeve),
-alignment way out of wack (was given a sheet with handwritten measurements, I didn't trust after seeing the other issues and took it to an alignment shop to be properly adjusted)
-replaced O2 sensor wasn't tightened down (it was loss and rattling)


Its a shame to see Bimmersport has such ongoing issues. My experience was enough to never return."



Person #2: = MarkD's post

"There are all sorts of strange garages... I had a guy come over on Friday who has been taking his car to a well known BMW shop that advertises here. He has various problems since they did his s50B32 swap. Recently it has not been idling and running well. They told him it's the MarkD software. The car comes here, what do I see? a hole the size of a penny in the rubber boot between the MAF and intake manifold ... I don't know why that was not fixed before they look for all sorts of other explainations for his problem. "

Person #3: = Rudy

"Haha... you should see the swapped car here.... same thing, S50B32... and it is the same disaster. I lost all respect for that shop. Turning a blind eye to the way things were installed or solutions taken for various parts, just the sheer amount of loose and missing bolts is appalling."

Person #4:

"the same shop you guys are talking about also "forgot to put the gasket for the oil filter on my car when they did the oil change. " - How would your friend make it to Richmond Hill from Mississauga without this seal? I would hate for anyone to experiment with this but it will not happen. oil was pouring out during hard acceleration. they told me either pay for the tow fee or drive it back to the shop like that. NOW WHEN I tried to sell the car everyone thinks my car has problems since there is oil EVERYWHERE in the bay and under the chassis they also messed up my sisters X5"

Person #5:

"Add me to the list. Thankfully I didn't get as royally screwed as some of you.

-Reverse lights not working after engine swap
-Lost fuse pick
-Lost wheel lock (had to hammer them off)
-Shoddy alignment
-Broken/missing header bolts
-Stripped engine cover
-Front bumper undertray screwed in
-Front control arm bushing pre-loaded"

I'll also bite the bullet and go ahead and post a few other people who have complained about this god like shop:

Person 6:

"Car runs amazing now, they fixed alot of issues that bimmersport created. They re tuned the cams as they were not done right from them. Also alot of small things that looked liked it was rushed together. But what killed me is that I paid all this money to them and after the head was installed and things were not running right charlie would turn to me and say what do you want me to do now.

paid big and good money to them but the service was lacking to detail and care. I also found that it took forever to get things done as they were learning half the stuff from my car. Or that I was tired of not having and License person working on the car. Its o.k to have a apprentice but not to be left alone to work on cars as if they are license. You know what I mean."

Person 7: = Mark D again

"I have a good idea what they are capable of as people tell me and I have to send them to other shops to get the problems fixed. One guy goes in for a timing chain tensioner on his 540, and it runs like crap after. A few valves were bent in the process.. but they said the car came in like that. I have other fine stories also.

Listen to this one: I heard that they installed a meth kit on a 335i but just ran the hose into the intake, they didn't even install a meth nozzle!"

Funny thing, same tech. Responsibility = Bimmersport's, so what did we do? The car came back and the nozzle was installed. It was not in the boxed kit that was pre-assembled.

So please tell me how it's the same person always complaining or changing alias'?

Because with how many banned usernames, they all go back to one very important key player in this whole situation's IP address. Who said it's a customer?

Just becuase I speak my mind and I'm not scared to talk about my experience makes me the same person complaining? Instead of Bruce doing IP checks, he should do some sponsor checks and see what this "shop" is doing to his members that helped him build this forum - but I guess $$$ talks.

Again, not everything here is about you Kevin. Stop trying to cover up for a friend, because it's already in the open - just like this situation, but I really don't care. All big companies even ones like HPF, AA, VF-E have issues. I am not trying to "cover up" anything. I have shared info that happenned here, behind the curtains and what I tried to do to resolve it. Like damanake understood and MANY others, hard mentality is a big factor into how this played out. How many times did I come to you to resolve this, compared to how many times you came to us?

I thought you guys were gonna let this die down but you keep bumping it - it's really working against you. And please do share your "horror" stories - same one you posted on E46Fanatics? lol - I should use the rebuttal "all shops make mistakes". - You very well should, because we make mistakes, or RMP makes mistakes or BMW themselves makes mistakes - it DOES HAPPEN. .

I guess I will make this my "last post" as well - unless you guys keep posting non sense that does not RELATE to the problem that this shop has with previous customers and keep bringing up "other" shops who are doing their own thing and not minding what these people do. If not, we can do this dance all year.

- What damanake said

I want to know why I have e90 owners telling me that Jon says never to take your car to MarkD for tuning as he does not know what he is doing. And someone else made a post in that closed thread (and then removed it a minute later) saying why I am talking, he can say many horror stories about me. Well I haven't heard them yet, I wonder where those come from? And why would he remove that post after one minute?

I have refrained from posting here so this will probably be the only thing I have to say.

By the way, "the tech who left" was not working there when Herb Wong's e30 550b32 swap was done. Maye Herb or craz azn will chime in on that one. On Tuesday May 24, we were at a track day at Mosport and it was still suffering from some troubles directly related to the install. It also only lasted only 1 day at Targa Newfoundland, I wonder why.

You want to know why? I don't have a problem with your tuning for the LAST time Mark. My experience with you was:

Out of 10 days of making appointments with you for OUR shop E36 M3 Turbo, you come to me 10days out of 10. In those 10days you came, 8 of them you FORGOT YOUR EQUIPMENT. On the day you tuned it the M3 ended up with a hole in the piston. Therefore, I said that to my customer's the same way you are PM'ing everyone on max about me...is that I did not feel comfortable selling your products due to your WORK ETHIC. If you cannot be punctual with me on our own shop cars, there is no way I am dealing with someone like that for my clients.

Now does that put an end to this childish game you are trying to start with me. I do not have the time for this. You have a dealer Oceanside in LA, that also sells for Active. What do you think they do? The same thing I am doing, letting our mutual customers choose the products they want - unfortunately, the customer we both had in that group buy chose your competitor over you. The difference between them and me, is I offer a local Mon-Fri 9-6 place where they can be reverted to stock ANYTIME. Not someone they have to setup an appointment to work around 2 schedules. Customers in LA have no choice either way. To be honest, I think I have a more convenient solution for the majority of customers and I do not need to inform the customers of the obvious.

Now I'd like to know why, since you are not even a sponsor here with a business how you think going and PM'ing everybody about OTHER PEOPLE'S (when the Targa car owners you keep mentioning don't share you anger towards us) experience because you are sour on lost sales makes you any more professional than I am Mark. For someone of your age, you really need to relax before even more people call you immature (what a coincidence, we're referencing the same mutual clients). I don't see you going out of your way to talk about those people who say the same things, so stop instigating problems between us.

Damamake,

I'd just like to thank you for having a thoroughly thought out post and perception of this situation. People in general make up a forum, and people like you are the ones who positively contribute - no matter who's favour your in.

MarkD
06-03-2011, 01:43 PM
Jon,

I am not home (at a client's office) but will respond either tonight or sometime Saturday. It's quite clear to me how that motor died and both you and Charlie should have realised it was not due to any negligence on my part.

Mark

Jon@Bimmersport
06-03-2011, 02:42 PM
Jon,

I am not home (at a client's office) but will respond either tonight or sometime Saturday. It's quite clear to me how that motor died and both you and Charlie should have realised it was not due to any negligence on my part.

Mark

See, here is your problem with the E90 guys. I never said you blew the motor, I just don't like your work ethic on how unreliable you were. Thank you for proving my point on the whole missing link in communication, as well as the problem you have with me in regards to the E90 customers. If they ask me who I'd prefer, I will say it now what I say verbally...I would rather have an Active tune on my car due to the extensive knowledge they have (and you may too). However, understand your part time business is not as supportive as a FULL TIME business on both the software engineer's side, and the local person who loads it. We can argue all day and night, however that's part of the criteria they decide upon.

If you remember, after this happened with Charlie's car I wanted to use you to tune my E36 turbo...however, I did not even get around to it and even if I did, this whole issue of you remembering to bring your laptop was a big issue for me.

You can post later Mark if you want or better yet we can be grown men and discuss this in person if there is some issue you'd like to discuss - just let me know when and where and I will be happy to have a discussion with you on this matter, maybe the midnight meet if you would rather have it public.

MGYVER
06-03-2011, 05:41 PM
A quick note to set the record straight for our Targa E30 S50B32 car.

I have been dealing with Charlie and Bimmersport for over 8 years and I have never had any issues with the quality of service or work that has been done. They have completed 2 engine swaps in 2 different cars for me and made extensive modifications to both swapped cars. Many times they have gone above and beyond what I could have expected in a shop. They have ALWAYS been available, attentive, and addressed ANY concerns I have had. They have always gone the extra mile and then some. We would not have been able to compete in Targa Newfoundland without their extensive help and support. Our misfortunes at Targa were due to the harsh realities of rally racing, ie. things break when you drive hard.

Please do not reference us as dissatisfied customers in these posts as we have nothing but praise for Charlie and Bimmersport.

Thank you.

V8specialist
06-04-2011, 01:14 AM
This is turning into a Jerry springer episode!

740-iLL
06-05-2011, 11:35 PM
A quick note to set the record straight for our Targa E30 S50B32 car.

I have been dealing with Charlie and Bimmersport for over 8 years and I have never had any issues with the quality of service or work that has been done. They have completed 2 engine swaps in 2 different cars for me and made extensive modifications to both swapped cars. Many times they have gone above and beyond what I could have expected in a shop. They have ALWAYS been available, attentive, and addressed ANY concerns I have had. They have always gone the extra mile and then some. We would not have been able to compete in Targa Newfoundland without their extensive help and support. Our misfortunes at Targa were due to the harsh realities of rally racing, ie. things break when you drive hard.

Please do not reference us as dissatisfied customers in these posts as we have nothing but praise for Charlie and Bimmersport.

Thank you.

+1 I have been a customer for 6 years and never had any issues with Bimmersport Automotive's workmanship or professionalism in regards to the work done on my vehicle.

biginstreets
08-05-2011, 11:41 AM
I'm thinking I should get into the PR business. I'd make a killing in this thread.

1sick318
08-05-2011, 04:13 PM
:cool:*th-up**rockout*2 thumbs up for bimmersport great guys never let me down
helped me out with my vf kit 2