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summit425
12-31-2008, 09:02 PM
e46 330 vs. e36 m3... who is going to win in the straight line?

both are stock.

I heard e46 330 can take e36 m3.. is that true?

Gamite
12-31-2008, 09:15 PM
Pretty sure M3 has 330 beat in this case. Unless it's ZHP.

330Hi
12-31-2008, 10:18 PM
I had a 330i and I have driven my friends M3...
I'm thinking it would most probably be the M3!

T.Dot_E30
12-31-2008, 10:37 PM
240hp, LSD n less weight, I'll go with the m3.

low_bmw
01-01-2009, 11:09 AM
ive owed both. the 99 M3 convertible (upgraded to the 3.38 diff) and my present car a 2002 330ci. they come very close, feel almost the same. But the M3 will take it. both stock except for the diff on the E36

StikiGreenZ
01-01-2009, 12:18 PM
Very close race, could boil down to the driver, the M3 should take it though...

maroli
01-01-2009, 12:59 PM
m3....more power, less weight

ericdalinda
01-01-2009, 01:23 PM
what about the E36 M3 4 door vs 330 Coupe.

E46er
01-01-2009, 01:34 PM
E36 M will take it.

Gamite
01-01-2009, 03:08 PM
what about the E36 M3 4 door vs 330 Coupe.

Coupe's are generally heavier than sedans. (heavy doors)

Trouble65
01-01-2009, 05:28 PM
Coupe's are generally heavier than sedans. (heavy doors)

4doors are heavier then 2 doors. More hardware and support required for the 4 door.

rodo
01-01-2009, 05:58 PM
I'll go with the M3. The e36 M3 beats an e90 325i (215hp)

Axxe
01-01-2009, 07:01 PM
4doors are heavier then 2 doors. More hardware and support required for the 4 door.

Not a huge difference. 150 lbs tops.

propr'one
01-01-2009, 08:38 PM
i would bet m3, my 328 with a few small mods (+ 3.38 LSD) can pull a 330.

Gamite
01-01-2009, 11:21 PM
4doors are heavier then 2 doors. More hardware and support required for the 4 door.

Couldn't find accurate M3 specs comparing weight, but 328i coupe vs 328i sedan in 1998 were as follows:

Sedan: 3131 lbs
Coupe: 3142 lbs


Correct me if I'm wrong but I always thought there was a bit more structural strengthening when it came to coupes, so that always increased the weight a bit. It was a misconception that coupe's were lighter because it had less doors.

rendered
01-01-2009, 11:50 PM
Interesting question. I drove anthonys e36 M3 coupe to compare it to my 2004 330ci ZHP.

To my impression, they were very very close, the zhp coupe felt like it made stronger torque to a higher rpm, and the E36 m3 felt a little more raw/aggresive at lower rpm.

OEM LSD is a nice touch in the M3's but can easily be added to any other bmw.

How much lighter is an E36 M3 coupe vs. a 33oci ZHP?

I keep up to my friends E46 M3 coupe, and my E46 M3 convertible on the hwy, in the ZHP. Never really tried a side by side drag race though. Not yet :)

rendered
01-01-2009, 11:54 PM
what about the E36 M3 4 door vs 330 Coupe.

Ask allen with the e36 M3 sedan about this when I pulled on him a few times, years back in the zhp 330ci on a cruise ;) It wasn't fair though, he had 2 other people in his car plus him.

Gamite
01-02-2009, 01:26 AM
I don't think he's counting ZHP, the high ratio diff makes a big difference. Just talking regular stock 330's here.

328trackrat
01-02-2009, 02:55 AM
This has been discussed before....

A friend of mine and myself did numerous rolling start races (to eliminate any driver advantage etc) between a 97 e36 M3 and a 2004 330i ZHP....All races ended with the M3 pulling on the 330, it was not a huge pull but definitely pulled around a car length. So no matter how you put it M3 is faster then 330.

rendered
01-02-2009, 03:40 AM
This has been discussed before....

A friend of mine and myself did numerous rolling start races (to eliminate any driver advantage etc) between a 97 e36 M3 and a 2004 330i ZHP....All races ended with the M3 pulling on the 330, it was not a huge pull but definitely pulled around a car length. So no matter how you put it M3 is faster then 330.

interesting... Did you switch cars at all?

this could very well be attributed to your friend being a better driver :D;) j/k

Gamite
01-02-2009, 04:08 AM
interesting... Did you switch cars at all?

this could very well be attributed to your friend being a better driver :D;) j/k

On the contrary, you might a better driver than your friends in their M3's.

Mystikal
01-02-2009, 02:25 PM
M3.

Shorter gearing (2.93 for the 330 vs. 3.15/3.23 for the M3...even the ZHP is 3.07)
Less weight ( 3351lbs vs. 3175lbs)
More HP (225hp or 235hp vs. 240hp)

Even the magazine numbers support this, M3 got down to 14.0 and even 13.9 1/4 mile times, while the fastest 330 one I ever saw (and this was a ZHP) was 14.3.

Michel
01-02-2009, 02:41 PM
^this is true. I've taken my bros 330ci non zhp to the 1/4 mile and ran a 14.7, but with a slipping clutch. I think I can prob. do 14.3-14.5 at best with the m5 clutch + 8lb flywheel now. (This was also w/ Dinan CAI, Dinan stage II chip, and catback)

I'd say M3.

dbworld4k
01-02-2009, 02:54 PM
M3.

PS. Johnny_Blaze, care to chime in? ;)

Gamite
01-02-2009, 03:34 PM
M3.

PS. Johnny_Blaze, care to chime in? ;)

You mean with his "M3"?

dbworld4k
01-02-2009, 03:40 PM
LOL you mean the one I pulled on? I guess :).

Bwahhaa, Jonny is gonna be pissed.

MiroE36
01-02-2009, 03:51 PM
based solely on specs... the m3 should be faster

spoony_prelude
01-02-2009, 04:16 PM
Never mind the assumptions! I say we get 2 e36 m3's (fairly stock if not completely) and 2 e46 330ci's again fairly stock if not completely and we line them up. I'm down for this although I do have some work done to mine. Very minor though. Or Ill just call out Bimmertte:P*wave*

jks
Jay

1BADBMR
01-03-2009, 04:24 PM
E36 M3 (4dr or 2dr) is faster than a 330. I've done numerous runs with a friend who has a 330:P and the outcome is always the same.
If your talking about a 330 ZHP then thats different. I remember running into Rendered a long time ago when my car was stock. His car was just as fast as my 4Dr M3*rockout*

Alvin

Another BM
01-03-2009, 05:36 PM
Never mind the assumptions! I say we get 2 e36 m3's (fairly stock if not completely) and 2 e46 330ci's again fairly stock if not completely and we line them up. I'm down for this although I do have some work done to mine. Very minor though. Or Ill just call out Bimmertte:P*wave*

jks
Jay

I got the Stock 330CI.. i always enjoy a quick dash

TNation
01-03-2009, 05:58 PM
E36 M3 would win.

EMPIREM3
01-04-2009, 04:54 AM
the m has much higher torque per rev at lower rpms hence the quicker take off compared to the 330 non ZHP

Another BM
01-04-2009, 11:16 AM
i would win... i got nike air shoes.

maxima_'90
01-04-2009, 07:44 PM
I've got a bone stock '05 zhp sedan that I'd love to put to the test. Once I get some winter tires, let me know where and when.

hellrot_M3
01-04-2009, 07:48 PM
i raced my brothers 01 330ci against my 95 m3 and the 330 did not even keep up

ImolaZHP
01-05-2009, 01:02 AM
I've got a bone stock '05 zhp sedan that I'd love to put to the test. Once I get some winter tires, let me know where and when.

i want to see this, somebody with an m3 accept the challenge!

rendered
01-05-2009, 02:23 AM
If i ever make it out to the track this year, someone with a video camera and E36 M3 should join. If my 2004 330ci ZHP doesn't win, I'll be sure to bring a few of my other cars to whip your E36 M3 ass just in case.

:P :P :P

rendered
01-05-2009, 02:27 AM
i want to see this, somebody with an m3 accept the challenge!


and I bet your snowmobile is faster than both Bmw's in this winter weather! lol It Looks like its ready to eat your ZHP! lol

ImolaZHP
01-05-2009, 03:10 PM
and I bet your snowmobile is faster than both Bmw's in this winter weather! lol It Looks like its ready to eat your ZHP! lol

the snowmobile would destroy the zhp acceleration-wise..even with the car on dry pavement!:eek:

and yeah i thought it was a funny pic, with the car covered in snow, and the snowmobile nice and shiney. should be the other way:D

MiroE36
01-05-2009, 04:48 PM
Why the hate on the M3... i understand that you love your 330ci, but no need to doubt the potential of the M3... nobody here called a 330 zhp slow... just that the majority believes that the M3 is faster

Another BM
01-05-2009, 06:37 PM
i got stock 330 and i'm sure the m3 would show me why it has the M/// logo

M3Power99
01-05-2009, 11:38 PM
330i/Ci ZHP 2003-2006 238 PS (235 hp/175 kW) 301 N·m (222 lb·ft) 5.8 s

Car and Driver's first E36 M3 rocketed to 60 in just 5.6 seconds
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=66153

StikiGreenZ
01-05-2009, 11:40 PM
I have a stock 330, 1BADBMR with the e36 M3 sedan that posted above wrote it right. When I got my car, we were both pretty much stock (he had an intake). The 330 kept up until 3rd gear, that when the M3 started to pull away.

noodles101
01-06-2009, 12:37 AM
i thought E36 m3s werent that fast . lol woah.
( dont wanna start another argument and this is off topic kinda but
my buddys civic bubble back k20 swap kept up with my other buddys 2003 M3 till 3rd gear) i cudnt believe it. fartcan vs E46 m3

TNation
01-06-2009, 01:29 AM
i thought E36 m3s werent that fast . lol woah.
( dont wanna start another argument and this is off topic kinda but
my buddys civic bubble back k20 swap kept up with my other buddys 2003 M3 till 3rd gear) i cudnt believe it. fartcan vs E46 m3

cause the Civic probably weighed 2400 pounds soaking wet hahaha

ShortShifter
01-06-2009, 09:41 AM
i thought E36 m3s werent that fast . lol woah.
( dont wanna start another argument and this is off topic kinda but
my buddys civic bubble back k20 swap kept up with my other buddys 2003 M3 till 3rd gear) i cudnt believe it. fartcan vs E46 m3

Put them both on a track and then see how long he can keep up...:moon:

330ci05
01-06-2009, 11:00 AM
i beat one, every single time, we both had few mods, i might had one or two mods more but i'm just a REGULAR 330 ;)

propr'one can back me up, cuz he was in my car...

TNation
01-06-2009, 11:37 AM
i beat one, every single time, we both had few mods, i might had one or two mods more but i'm just a REGULAR 330 ;)

propr'one can back me up, cuz he was in my car...

M3 had a terrible driver than!

330ci05
01-06-2009, 03:12 PM
M3 had a terrible driver than!

yes thats what happend.... ;):rolleyes:

StikiGreenZ
01-06-2009, 03:44 PM
Gotta love how everyone on this board thinks M's are faster than any thing possible. I remember a similar thread last year; and the year before.

propr'one
01-06-2009, 03:47 PM
i beat one, every single time, we both had few mods, i might had one or two mods more but i'm just a REGULAR 330 ;)

propr'one can back me up, cuz he was in my car...

Yep. M3 didn't have a "terrible driver".

But to be fair bro, your car was almost entirely brand new, and the m3 had 200K km's on it.

ImolaZHP
01-06-2009, 03:53 PM
330i/Ci ZHP 2003-2006 238 PS (235 hp/175 kW) 301 N·m (222 lb·ft) 5.8 s

Car and Driver's first E36 M3 rocketed to 60 in just 5.6 seconds
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=66153

"Our Performance-package 330i sprinted to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds"

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/entry_luxury/bmw_330i_with_performance_package_road_test/(page)/1

m3 still runs better in the quarter, but in a shorter race it would be all driver...

TNation
01-06-2009, 05:54 PM
"Our Performance-package 330i sprinted to 60 mph in 5.6 seconds"

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/entry_luxury/bmw_330i_with_performance_package_road_test/(page)/1

m3 still runs better in the quarter, but in a shorter race it would be all driver...

thats all i meant to say!

noodles101
01-06-2009, 07:07 PM
ya on a track the honda fartcans dont go anywhere but hop around . cant grip. plus a front wheel drive (n)

TNation
01-06-2009, 10:44 PM
ya on a track the honda fartcans dont go anywhere but hop around . cant grip. plus a front wheel drive (n)

except for the Prelude or GSR :D
probably the greatest FWD handling cars Honda has ever built.

noodles101
01-06-2009, 10:45 PM
lol not gunna lie i was gunna buy a 99 prelude instead of my 96 328i

TNation
01-06-2009, 11:12 PM
lol not gunna lie i was gunna buy a 99 prelude instead of my 96 328i

i've owned both! :)

lvan
01-06-2009, 11:40 PM
That is like pissing along the strong wind..... Us spec E36 is barley an M3. When you add 200k on it, it's like a super loose pussy.

328trackrat
01-07-2009, 12:36 AM
....I did ROLLING starts at VARIOUS speeds between a TOTALLY stock E36 M3 Mint shape with like 75k vs a totally stock ZHP 330i Mint shape with around 50k...There was absolutely no driver skill involved hence the rolling starts... We did 10-15 different runs at different speeds, and the result was the same every time, the M3 won.

On top of this I did several other runs against mildly modded(exhaust) e36 M's of various mileage again rolling starts with the same results.

There really isn't any argument...If people want proof get two people together with stock cars and film it.

ShortShifter
01-07-2009, 09:52 AM
I will bring the camera if people wanna do this....on a closed track of course..

330ci05
01-07-2009, 11:03 AM
That is like pissing along the strong wind..... Us spec E36 is barley an M3. When you add 200k on it, it's like a super loose pussy.

my e30 325is has 245 000 on it and a beat a e46 325i, think it was an auto, but still the m3 with the 200k on it was minth and had lots of new parts to it.... im just sayin what had happend when i raced,,, still think the M3 is a bit faster then the 330.....