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5style
10-14-2008, 12:00 PM
http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/207/Gonow_Victor_SUV_1.jpg

What a piece of crap, it was going 120, it had 14" indented rims, the bodywork looked all wobbly like fibreglass, the paint finish looked like spray paint. Anyone care to chime in what this monstrosity of unsafe rusted steel is doing here?

*shiner*

shimajer
10-14-2008, 12:29 PM
That actually doesn't look too bad.

5style
10-14-2008, 12:31 PM
^ you should see it in person, it looks like a sprapaint fibreglass kit car.

woofster
10-14-2008, 01:41 PM
Does it really look that bad in person?

5style
10-14-2008, 02:08 PM
Does it really look that bad in person?

mmmhmmm. You can even see the shody paint in the pic. Imagine it in real life, coming to a stop behind you, on its antiquated suspension ( it had a live axel with shocks on the inside of the leafsprings) and 14" rims. No thanks.

E36White
10-14-2008, 02:09 PM
that looks like the toyota prado (or lexus gx here)

5style
10-14-2008, 02:29 PM
that looks like the toyota prado (or lexus gx here)

it was a mix of new land cruiser and isuzu rodeo with really mismatched shapes and over sized components.

punnzzells
10-14-2008, 02:48 PM
for the price... WTF do you want?

5style
10-14-2008, 03:05 PM
for the price... WTF do you want?

something that i will survive in an accident in, mainly.

Gamite
10-14-2008, 03:27 PM
You saw this car in Toronto? How is that possible? I don't think they pass crash tests here

5style
10-14-2008, 03:40 PM
You saw this car in Toronto? How is that possible? I don't think they pass crash tests here

Jullian, i am not even shitting you! i wish i had a cameraphone. It had the new white dealer plate on it :eek:

Monday , around 5:40 down the qew around miss. rd and it got off on erin mills , went south.

edit: it was the "gx 6" model. more pics of this monstrocity.

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/6981/p1150023ux3.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/686/p1150013fm1.jpg
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/7269/p1150011go5.jpg

I wouldn t be so against it if i knew the chinese are not going to cut corners in quality, safety and durability. I work in the manufacturing industry, I know what happens in china, and because of this , I will never set foot into a chinese car, until they change their work and product ethics.

M3ti Compact
10-14-2008, 10:09 PM
Holy shit, that is such a Landcruiser/Lexus GX rip off!

NeveR
10-14-2008, 10:25 PM
I wouldn t be so against it if i knew the chinese are not going to cut corners in quality, safety and durability. I work in the manufacturing industry, I know what happens in china, and because of this , I will never set foot into a chinese car, until they change their work and product ethics.

You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

Yeah preach on while you wear clothes/fabrics/textiles made in china. Eat food that comes from china or is processed using chinese chemicals. Live in your house surrounded by chinese electronics, furniture, carpets, etc.


also, http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=125371

SHANGHAI, China BMW has announced that it will boost component purchases in China this year, in part to offset soaring costs of raw materials. The German automaker also plans to expand its Chinese dealer network and expand its product portfolio here.

BMW, which is partnered in China with Brilliance Automotive, said it plans to increase spending on parts from 150 Chinese suppliers to $625 million in 2008, compared with $500 million last year.

The company also is expanding its retail network in China from 90 to 120 dealers by year's end. Next month, BMW will begin importing the 1 Series as part of a long-range plan to broaden its product mix.




don't be an idiot.

5style
10-14-2008, 10:39 PM
You've got to be ****ing kidding me.

Yeah preach on while you wear clothes/fabrics/textiles made in china. Eat food that comes from china or is processed using chinese chemicals. Live in your house surrounded by chinese electronics, furniture, carpets, etc.


also, http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=125371

SHANGHAI, China BMW has announced that it will boost component purchases in China this year, in part to offset soaring costs of raw materials. The German automaker also plans to expand its Chinese dealer network and expand its product portfolio here.

BMW, which is partnered in China with Brilliance Automotive, said it plans to increase spending on parts from 150 Chinese suppliers to $625 million in 2008, compared with $500 million last year.

The company also is expanding its retail network in China from 90 to 120 dealers by year's end. Next month, BMW will begin importing the 1 Series as part of a long-range plan to broaden its product mix.




don't be an idiot.

sorry, actually, i don't. Maybe you do. As for china, the lack of social care, ( yes this means workers in the factories get treated fairly and in decency) AND corner cutting in health leads me to avoid as much Chinese product as possible. Thats my choice. I don t drive a new "Chinese partnered bmw", my macs and ipod were still made in the US, i do read labels and if it says made in china, I don t buy it. You can chose and do what you want, so can I.

TopSpeed
10-14-2008, 10:52 PM
something that i will survive in an accident in, mainly.

Funny thing is size has nothing to do with safety in accidents and price sometimes doesn't play a role either ...

http://images.paultan.org/crash_f150.jpg

How much was Ford F150 again?

Sometimes even though you pay more, and you get it from a reputable company doesn't necessarily guarantee you safety! I wonder what this Chinese Shit-UV would 'accomplish' in a crash test!?!?!

NeveR
10-14-2008, 10:53 PM
I refuse to believe you're that ignorant. Naive maybe.

Macs and ipods BOTH have chinese made components. There is no such thing as a mac completely free of chinese parts. A quick google search will shine some light onto the matter.

There is also no such thing as a household completely free of chinese made materials. This is basically impossible.

Therefore the tv that you watched today and/or the computer that you're on right now both have parts of chinese origins. You cannot escape it no matter how many labels you read.

5style
10-14-2008, 11:19 PM
I refuse to believe you're that ignorant. Naive maybe.

Macs and ipods BOTH have chinese made components. There is no such thing as a mac completely free of chinese parts. A quick google search will shine some light onto the matter.

There is also no such thing as a household completely free of chinese made materials. This is basically impossible.

Therefore the tv that you watched today and/or the computer that you're on right now both have parts of chinese origins. You cannot escape it no matter how many labels you read.

they didn't before 2006, all g4 macs were of Taiwanese and intel technologies. Check the stampings on the chipsets, g4s had intel north bridges, and NEC southbridges as well as a slew of mitsubishi, asus etc components,None of these are chinese.

Compeletely free, no, majority free, yes.

Majority of electronics have components from Japan, Taiwan and the US, not china. Chinese assemble them, they seldom produce core components, like chipsets.

Its not about being china free, its about not buying into an economy that thrives on the theft of ideas and cutting corners where they should not be cut. There are things made in china that are decent, but that is far and between.

Apple computers have become, garbage , since all manufacturing was moved to china. Cutting corners in plastic quality, and component quality lead to: premature battery death, cracking casings, plastic changing colour to brown, you name it. Ironically, apple computers made of the same materials produced here, 2005 and under, do not show such severe wear and tear.

There is a reason why everything costs cheaper , alot cheaper, in china, the question is, are you ok with having to buy something over and over because it keeps breaking, or , subjecting your health to chemicals that have long been made illegal in goods?

Lego is another wonder, since being moved to be produced in china, new lego bricks are CRAP. The plastic is no where near as flexible and even as glossy as it was before. Being a lego addict, its disappointing.

I would not buy a chinese car. I read the write ups some one did when they lived in china and their first hand experience with a chinese vehicle. After a few months of driving, it was ready to be scrapped.

AceOfSpades
10-15-2008, 02:59 AM
and yet the GTO was illegal here a couple of months agohttp://gtr.quakedev.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif

TopSpeed
10-15-2008, 06:14 AM
Unfortunately the best BMW bike ever produced (that's my opinion only!) has an engine that is made and completely assembled in China. There is only one way BMW Canada could've priced a brand new bike CHEAPER than a 2-yr old one!

F800GS
http://www.superbike.co.uk/imageBank/f/f800GS.jpg

DANIMAL
10-15-2008, 08:00 AM
they didn't before 2006, all g4 macs were of Taiwanese and intel technologies. Check the stampings on the chipsets, g4s had intel north bridges, and NEC southbridges as well as a slew of mitsubishi, asus etc components,None of these are chinese.

Compeletely free, no, majority free, yes.

Majority of electronics have components from Japan, Taiwan and the US, not china. Chinese assemble them, they seldom produce core components, like chipsets.

Its not about being china free, its about not buying into an economy that thrives on the theft of ideas and cutting corners where they should not be cut. There are things made in china that are decent, but that is far and between.

Apple computers have become, garbage , since all manufacturing was moved to china. Cutting corners in plastic quality, and component quality lead to: premature battery death, cracking casings, plastic changing colour to brown, you name it. Ironically, apple computers made of the same materials produced here, 2005 and under, do not show such severe wear and tear.

There is a reason why everything costs cheaper , alot cheaper, in china, the question is, are you ok with having to buy something over and over because it keeps breaking, or , subjecting your health to chemicals that have long been made illegal in goods?

Lego is another wonder, since being moved to be produced in china, new lego bricks are CRAP. The plastic is no where near as flexible and even as glossy as it was before. Being a lego addict, its disappointing.

I would not buy a chinese car. I read the write ups some one did when they lived in china and their first hand experience with a chinese vehicle. After a few months of driving, it was ready to be scrapped.

A true lego fanboy would know the term is "lego maniac".

As for the China bashing; There has been increasing pressure on China since the tv exploits of the 1990's showing and comparing the manufacturing sectors and child labour to that of the US. From that point on China has moved away from terrible workmanship and "cutting corners" yes as one would imagine, from any rapidly developing 2nd world country, that some laws and social services are outdated and in need of review. This shift in social, economic and commerical standings are required if China wishes to showcase on an global scale, and that is exactly what they are doing.

In comparison there are lots of harmful/deadly products that are used in both the US and Canada everyday in manufacturing. Take for example the Nalgene(SP?) bottles we should no longer use because of leech chemicals contained within, or the fact that lead based paint was prominent until well into the 70's, I believe. You know that if you mix javex and another household chemical together you get mustard gas right.

Now I am not saying the industrial sector of China is the cats ass as they do have growing pains, but the goverment is socialist and as such has shielded its people for many years allowing them to fall behind in various sectors, as the government opens these aforementioned closed doors things will change.

As for the health care system, look at the population size of the country. Canada can barely keep up with 33 million on our public health care. Imagine a system trying to support a system with 1.3 billion.

ericdalinda
10-15-2008, 08:08 AM
if that S.U.V cost's less then 10 grand ill buy it.

fab up a new grill headlight assembly. 20's fab new tail lights.

debadge everything. then im













BALLLINN!!!!!

5style
10-15-2008, 09:19 AM
A true lego fanboy would know the term is "lego maniac".

As for the China bashing; There has been increasing pressure on China since the tv exploits of the 1990's showing and comparing the manufacturing sectors and child labour to that of the US. From that point on China has moved away from terrible workmanship and "cutting corners" yes as one would imagine, from any rapidly developing 2nd world country, that some laws and social services are outdated and in need of review. This shift in social, economic and commerical standings are required if China wishes to showcase on an global scale, and that is exactly what they are doing.

In comparison there are lots of harmful/deadly products that are used in both the US and Canada everyday in manufacturing. Take for example the Nalgene(SP?) bottles we should no longer use because of leech chemicals contained within, or the fact that lead based paint was prominent until well into the 70's, I believe. You know that if you mix javex and another household chemical together you get mustard gas right.

Now I am not saying the industrial sector of China is the cats ass as they do have growing pains, but the goverment is socialist and as such has shielded its people for many years allowing them to fall behind in various sectors, as the government opens these aforementioned closed doors things will change.

As for the health care system, look at the population size of the country. Canada can barely keep up with 33 million on our public health care. Imagine a system trying to support a system with 1.3 billion.

I agree with you, however, i will still not buy a chinese car. Its like the mexican vw, it is a POS, sure its the same car, same stampings, etc, but a mexican vw falls apart where as a german one doesn't. You don t find rust under paint, with dirt, and dust. I mean in everything, trim quality, paint quality, fit and finish. Same idea. If a Corrolla was built in china, i can guarantee that it would not be the same 400k+ corolla from elsewhere.

shimajer
10-15-2008, 10:25 AM
Bashing the Chinese products is so like the 70s lol. 90%(just exaggerating) of the products are made in China now (assembling or manufacturing whatever). Cars made in Germany don't necessarily mean they won't fail. There have been so many mechanical issues with German-made cars too. Same as you, I would not buy a Chinese-made car YET unless they pass those crash tests. Sooner or later, they will produce cars that will be comparable to the average Japanese cars, however it will take them a long while to match with the European cars. This only means they are not good at building a car from scratch, but a lot of auto parts are actually MADE in China. And yes, even your mac.

Cars are not the Chineses' specialty, so using cars as an example to represent other Chinese-made products is just unfair.

"I don't buy anything that is made in China." Come on now, let's not be stupid.


Anyways, let's keep it on topic. I wonder how they got this on the road? Isn't it illegal?

5style
10-15-2008, 10:30 AM
Bashing the Chinese products is so like the 70s lol. 90%(just exaggerating) of the products are made in China now (assembling or manufacturing whatever). Cars made in Germany don't necessarily mean they won't fail. There have been so many mechanical issues with German-made cars too. Same as you, I would not buy a Chinese-made car YET unless they pass those crash tests. Sooner or later, they will produce cars that will be comparable to the average Japanese cars, however it will take them a long while to match with the European cars. This only means they are not good at building a car from scratch, but a lot of auto parts are actually MADE in China. And yes, even your mac.

Cars are not the Chineses' specialty, so using cars as an example to represent other Chinese-made products is just unfair.

"I don't buy anything that is made in China." Come on now, let's not be stupid.


Anyways, let's keep it on topic. I wonder how they got this on the road? Isn't it illegal?

When they prove they can be safe and generally reliable, then yes, so far, they fail, miserably.

Back on topic, I have no idea how it made it here, however, I am guessing it is a test mule for our market, sort of a one off to see how it handles the climate and conditions. Don't expect to see anymore.

Boots R
10-15-2008, 10:47 AM
ROFL


http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-1783784,00.html


0 OUT OF 5.

dmc
10-15-2008, 10:50 AM
Somebody has been watching too much South Park.

http://i38.tinypic.com/1ferky.jpg

5style
10-15-2008, 11:16 AM
Somebody has been watching too much South Park.

http://i38.tinypic.com/1ferky.jpg

wtf does south park have to do with inferior products?

E36White
10-15-2008, 11:40 AM
ROFL


http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-1783784,00.html


0 OUT OF 5.

^^^LOL...i actually laughed!

JunzieB
10-15-2008, 12:46 PM
wtf does south park have to do with inferior products?

I am also baffled by this southpark statement, please elaborate.:huh?:

ZHP_Bimmer05
10-15-2008, 02:16 PM
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ZHP_Bimmer05
10-15-2008, 02:18 PM
now this is safe lol
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/oEaGjVnKKrs&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/oEaGjVnKKrs&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

E36White
10-15-2008, 05:06 PM
now this is safe lol
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/oEaGjVnKKrs&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/oEaGjVnKKrs&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

^LOL THIS IS SIIIIICKK

Trouble65
10-15-2008, 05:24 PM
China Sucks.... Period...
What gives me the right to say this, very simple half of my family is Chinese and they agree with me..

addbhp
10-16-2008, 12:25 PM
China Sucks.... Period...
What gives me the right to say this, very simple half of my family is Chinese and they agree with me..

Wholly S#$% I can't believe the ignorance of some of you. I just came back from a 4.5 week vacation in China, visiting 3 different cities from large to small, and countless villages, and had an amazing time. I went there with no expectations or stereotypes and came back with a great appreciation for the people and country.

No country is without it's issues, but until you've been there, visited a factory there, lived with local people, learn about their country by asking questions, etc, how can you say anything against them. Do you stereotype against everyone that isn't exactly like you or don't produce a car you like??? There was a world war against such people like that if anyone remembers.

5style
10-16-2008, 12:52 PM
Wholly S#$% I can't believe the ignorance of some of you. I just came back from a 4.5 week vacation in China, visiting 3 different cities from large to small, and countless villages, and had an amazing time. I went there with no expectations or stereotypes and came back with a great appreciation for the people and country.

No country is without it's issues, but until you've been there, visited a factory there, lived with local people, learn about their country by asking questions, etc, how can you say anything against them. Do you stereotype against everyone that isn't exactly like you or don't produce a car you like??? There was a world war against such people like that if anyone remembers.

i deal with china every day. WE PRODUCE PRODUCT THERE. EVERYTHING FAILS TESTS, AND THE FACTORIES CAN'T EVEN PASS AUDITS. come again?

Secondly, after being in china for 2 weeks, yes it wasn't a bad place, but thats not what this thread is about. Other then people clearing their throats in public and horking very loudly , it was ok.

Once again, this is about an inferior product, not a country.

Produce a car i don t like? Sure! Only because the car is a DEATHTRAP with safety standards of the early 80s.

Ignorance comes in many forms my friend.

addbhp
10-16-2008, 03:04 PM
You say this isn't about a country and only about a product, but it was you that went off topic and brought up their social issues and health care issues, spitting, etc. Other than to bash China I am not sure why??

Hey I agree I wouldn't buy one of their cars, but that doesn't mean they won't improve, Look at Hyundai. Look at Honda and the first civic from Japan.

You also made a comment indicating indirectly that the reason the product are produced cheaply is because of cutting corners...ah no, it's simple economics, labour is cheaper. The same reason India is a meca for programming outsourcing, and mexico has taken manufacturing jobs from Germany and North America.

But China are absolutely capable of making good products, the factory I visited, produces high end clothing for a label in Paris France, and treats there employees very well. Because you continue to deal with a supplier that doesn't pass it's QA tests and audits is again your problem and nothing to do with this cheap SUV.