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Aveman
06-16-2008, 12:40 PM
Here are some pictures of my S14 rebuild. I bought the car with a spun bearing and am doing a top to bottom rebuild on the motor. I decided to save the 2.3L crank as to make a 2.5L stroker kit work you need too many supporting mods to make it worth it.

Here is the block back from the machine shop, it was tanked with new frost plugs installed with loctite. It was also honed.

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I got a new rod for the cyl that spun just to be safe, I also had all of them line honed. They tanked all the pistons for me.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3048/2584539586_f820b77578_b.jpg

Got the fly wheel machined with a new OEM Sachs clutch.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3059/2583710855_6aef817d39_b.jpg

Here is the top part of the head all cleaned up.

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Here is the cylinder head, got all the valve seats done.

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Aveman
06-16-2008, 12:40 PM
It's pretty neat how nice the factory intake ports are.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3107/2583711989_abd53ed4d1_b.jpg

All the valves

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3081/2584541338_752ce0f504_b.jpg

The crankshaft, it was put straight and they repaired the number two rod journal. It's standard on the main and rods now, the damaged journal was chromed, you can weld and grind back to standard and heat treat but you risk warping the crank pretty bad. They opted to chrome the journal which avoids any warping that would require the mains to be grinded and to ensure you get the same hardness as if it was heat treated.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2584543856_8bb4f27f3e_b.jpg

Here is the journal

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2583714749_fb9986af7f_b.jpg

I'll update this as I go along.

Bullet Ride
06-16-2008, 04:13 PM
Very nice. Rebuilds with squeaky clean parts are awsome, can't wait to see more!

jello_g
06-16-2008, 05:23 PM
Looking good! Just wondering, what valve springs will you be using?

Quack
06-16-2008, 06:14 PM
very nice, but you must be rich, rebuilding a S14 cost a pretty penny.

bmwm5lover
06-16-2008, 06:19 PM
Awesome dude, and it was nice meeting you.
Keep up the good work.

Aveman
06-16-2008, 06:19 PM
Looking good! Just wondering, what valve springs will you be using?

Just the stockers for now, I plan to eventually upgrade to some Schrick 284/276 cams and will upgrade the springs at the same time. For now I don't even know how a stock S14 pulls, never driven an E30 M3 lol.

Have you ever driven a stock E30 M3 to compare to your 2.6?

craz azn
06-16-2008, 10:00 PM
Just the stockers for now, I plan to eventually upgrade to some Schrick 284/276 cams and will upgrade the springs at the same time. For now I don't even know how a stock S14 pulls, never driven an E30 M3 lol.

Have you ever driven a stock E30 M3 to compare to your 2.6?

Why not just change the springs now? It will save you taking the head off again down the road if you want to put in those Schrick cams.

jello_g
06-16-2008, 10:07 PM
Just the stockers for now, I plan to eventually upgrade to some Schrick 284/276 cams and will upgrade the springs at the same time.
Okay, that makes sense, as long as there's still life in the stock springs. I believe they are good for 100k?

... For now I don't even know how a stock S14 pulls, never driven an E30 M3 lol.

Have you ever driven a stock E30 M3 to compare to your 2.6?
Haven't driven a stocker in many years. I don't remember the experience, probably because it wasn't remarkable. The 2.6 is fun to drive, but then I have a full Dinan suspension that can handle the extra performance. If you've never driven a stocker, there is a chance you may not fully appreciate the extra power a 2.5 build provides.

Aveman
06-16-2008, 11:53 PM
very nice, but you must be rich, rebuilding a S14 cost a pretty penny.

It's definetly not cheap, I've been taking my time shopping for the best deals on parts, the most expensive stuff is the timing rails etc.

Aveman
06-16-2008, 11:55 PM
Awesome dude, and it was nice meeting you.
Keep up the good work.

Thanks man, so that was you. Nice to meet you too. The other car is just about done, I'm going to post some updates in the paint thread I started.

Aveman
06-16-2008, 11:57 PM
Why not just change the springs now? It will save you taking the head off again down the road if you want to put in those Schrick cams.

Yeah, I may end up doing them now not sure. It's a lot of work to get to them with the head on so I may work that into the budget.

Aveman
06-17-2008, 12:15 AM
Okay, that makes sense, as long as there's still life in the stock springs. I believe they are good for 100k?


Haven't driven a stocker in many years. I don't remember the experience, probably because it wasn't remarkable. The 2.6 is fun to drive, but then I have a full Dinan suspension that can handle the extra performance. If you've never driven a stocker, there is a chance you may not fully appreciate the extra power a 2.5 build provides.

Around 125-150K miles for a stock motor on the springs I've heard before you should worry.

Turner has upgraded valve springs for $367 a set.

e30_kid89
06-17-2008, 12:41 AM
Very impressive! I already like direction your whole M3 build is going.

*th-up* for doing it right.:)

90E30i
06-17-2008, 02:18 PM
very nice, but you must be rich, rebuilding a S14 cost a pretty penny.

Its sad really cause he had to sell his car and complete turbo setup in order to rebuild the S14, but well worth it IMO *th-up*

Aveman
06-17-2008, 11:09 PM
Its sad really cause he had to sell his car and complete turbo setup in order to rebuild the S14, but well worth it IMO *th-up*

Yeah it's is kind of sad, gave up 400 HP and a nice paintjob for 190 HP and a shitload of work *shiner* Turbo money covers the rebuild and the car money covers the purchase of the M3.

Eurotakeover
06-18-2008, 11:28 AM
How I want a E30 :(

tominizer
06-19-2008, 02:18 PM
Welcome to zee M club !!!!

If you don't mind me asking, can you post up who's doing all the work for the stuff you sent out........ who you have been using and where they are located........... costs if possible.......... and if you're generally satisfied

I have a spare S14 on a stand right now.............. that I hope to rebuild........ if I ever find some time............. if my E30 M3 ever actually gets done......... if I still have money in my pockets........... so many "if's".

If you haven't already, drop in on www.S14.com and post this all up too..............


Good thread.............. for me anyways. Not a whole lot of S14 content here.

jello_g
06-19-2008, 02:47 PM
Welcome to zee M club !!!!

...Good thread.............. for me anyways. Not a whole lot of S14 content here.
+1

It's always interesting to see others nearby tinkering with objects of our desire. *angel*

Aveman
06-19-2008, 05:54 PM
Welcome to zee M club !!!!

If you don't mind me asking, can you post up who's doing all the work for the stuff you sent out........ who you have been using and where they are located........... costs if possible.......... and if you're generally satisfied

I have a spare S14 on a stand right now.............. that I hope to rebuild........ if I ever find some time............. if my E30 M3 ever actually gets done......... if I still have money in my pockets........... so many "if's".

If you haven't already, drop in on www.S14.com and post this all up too..............


Good thread.............. for me anyways. Not a whole lot of S14 content here.


Thanks, the work was done by Quality Precision Crankshaft, located in Etobicoke near the corner of Queensway and Islington. I'm happy with their work, their specialty is diesel truck motors which gives them a lot of experience with forged parts such as the S14 crank. The contact person there is Bill. He was actually really impressed with the quality of the S14 crank, when I was there to pickup my stuff he said he'd been working on a M5S38 earlier in the day and noted how similar everything was. You're looking at about 900-1200 tax in to get the work that I had done there, which is pretty reasonable.

I'll try and post this up on S14.net once I some parts rolling in and have an update.

I tried to order the rebuild parts from a huge BMW parts supplier WorldPac and they don't carry anything for this car, I guess it's not worth it for them if there is only a few thousand rolling around North America.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-20-2008, 12:35 PM
Just the stockers for now, I plan to eventually upgrade to some Schrick 284/276 cams and will upgrade the springs at the same time. For now I don't even know how a stock S14 pulls, never driven an E30 M3 lol.

Have you ever driven a stock E30 M3 to compare to your 2.6?

stock E30 M3's are slow as watching paint dry... but for that they're a ton of fun in the corners.

Aveman
06-20-2008, 04:48 PM
stock E30 M3's are slow as watching paint dry... but for that they're a ton of fun in the corners.

Well good thing is I've been driving a 98 Escort ZX2 5 speed for a few months. *par-t* I'm thinking of going stand alone on it, I see a few guys are running MS on it and I'm already very familiar with it. I hear getting rid of the AFM and a decent airbox setup with headers and exhaust can put you in the 180 WHP range which I'm sure won't be too slow.

I imagine the throttle response and crispness of the engine helps make up for the lack of power.

NOTORIOUS VR
06-20-2008, 05:02 PM
Well good thing is I've been driving a 98 Escort ZX2 5 speed for a few months. *par-t* I'm thinking of going stand alone on it, I see a few guys are running MS on it and I'm already very familiar with it. I hear getting rid of the AFM and a decent airbox setup with headers and exhaust can put you in the 180 WHP range which I'm sure won't be too slow.

I imagine the throttle response and crispness of the engine helps make up for the lack of power.


This is true.... I spoke to someone who had put an intake (Motorsport Carbonfiber), exhaust and stand alone on and E30 M3 and they made really good power. He said it totally transformed the car.

I'd suggest a stand alone a little better then MS though. I know MS is cheap. But there are much better options out there for such a nice motor *th-up*

///M-TRD3
06-20-2008, 09:23 PM
Talk to a member named JR Racing on here. Although Alpha N and MS seem to be the stand alone options I see used most, he opted to go with Haltech and has been very pleased with the result. Just another option and another helpful person to talk to while doing your build.

Aveman
06-21-2008, 01:10 PM
Yeah I hear you guys on not going cheap with the EMS, the S14 does not have a cam sensor and is batch fired with distributor so it's pretty basic in terms of how it's run. I hear there are ways to impliment a cam sensor and there are coils that can bolt right up to the valve cover, so if I can run it sequential with true coil on plug firing I would definetly lean towards another EMS. For now I am looking forward to being able to break it in on a factory tune with good AFR, once I have a few miles on the motor I'll look into some of the options you guys were mentioning.

Fel
06-24-2008, 11:11 PM
Dude that thing look wicked. Can't wait to see it when it's all put together! You'll turn that M into a beauty, I know it.

tominizer
06-25-2008, 07:54 AM
Stand alone is the way but it's also a big pile of dough. Piggy back works but only takes you part of the way (Alpha N). Someone on S14.net is building the Megasquirt into the factory box and also making it all plug and play (apparently) with a few other bits. For the price, it seems like it may be the way to go if you're on a budget. I don't know many people around these parts running MS though.

VEMS seems to pop it's head up locally a bit.

There's lots of options............ if you're wallet is fat enough.

BTW, stock I believe is 190 hp. But it's a dawg up to 4500 rpm. Then again, *WE* don't buy the E30 M3 to be a screamer from the lights.......... wrong car for that. Standing still though, they look gawd damn fast and still one of the nicest looking rides around. And they look good, even in pieces !!! *love*

http://reidweb.ca/~tominizer/IMG_1106m.JPG

Aveman
06-25-2008, 12:54 PM
Stand alone is the way but it's also a big pile of dough. Piggy back works but only takes you part of the way (Alpha N). Someone on S14.net is building the Megasquirt into the factory box and also making it all plug and play (apparently) with a few other bits. For the price, it seems like it may be the way to go if you're on a budget. I don't know many people around these parts running MS though.

VEMS seems to pop it's head up locally a bit.

There's lots of options............ if you're wallet is fat enough.

BTW, stock I believe is 190 hp. But it's a dawg up to 4500 rpm. Then again, *WE* don't buy the E30 M3 to be a screamer from the lights.......... wrong car for that. Standing still though, they look gawd damn fast and still one of the nicest looking rides around. And they look good, even in pieces !!! *love*

http://reidweb.ca/~tominizer/IMG_1106m.JPG

Yeah I was running MS2 Extra code on my stroker in my E30 I just sold, I got the DIY kit. It was very powerful for the cost. One of the biggest things with the S14 is no real intake manifold, so you don't have a MAP signal, MS also supports Alpha-N mode which uses RPM, coolant temp and throttle position to calculate the injector pulse width. Thanks for the info, for the price of the Alpha-N piggy back it seems better spent towards MS. Now days MS2 Extra supports a cam sensor and can compare to some of the more expensive options out there, even supports a MAF now.

Yeah my wallet is fat from receipts and stuff in it, not money lol. I keep hearing it doesn't move before 4500 rpm, but yeah I knew they weren't fast when I decided to sell my Turbo kit and my other E30. I could have had around 350 WHP and close to 400 WTQ if I wanted to. It's not as easy to enjoy now days.

My other E30 is starting to look pretty damn good (It's painted and final touches being applied for the new owner). I'd feel pretty crappy selling it unless I had the M3 to look forward to, especially in the looks department.

Aveman
07-25-2008, 02:36 PM
Update:

Here are some pictures of most of the parts that have arrived.

OEM Clutch Kit

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Shifter Rebuild Kit

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2701162875_ebedf26cfc_b.jpg

Weighted Shift Knob

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3280/2701979122_669ec3e5ae_b.jpg

Shift Boot

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/2701163663_74cee238da_b.jpg

New Fog Lights

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/2701165453_b20094ecf1_b.jpg

Tow Hook Cover Kit

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Bumper Lense

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Wheel Cap

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Head Bolts

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3046/2701984136_187f43713d_b.jpg

Aveman
07-25-2008, 02:36 PM
Oil Pan Baffle (No point doing a rebuild and leaving this out)

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Rod and Main Bearings

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Piston Rings

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Neat Little Gift From Pelican

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3042/2701175767_aac031322c_b.jpg

Timing Stuff

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3247/2701177637_c3a9ca97e0_b.jpg

Upgrade E36 Timing Chain Tensioner (for no cold chain slap)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3150/2701993238_589a6a86f7_b.jpg

Aveman
07-25-2008, 02:37 PM
Bottom End Gasket Kit

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2171/2701179461_78302d4e7d_b.jpg


Turner Exhaust Stud Kit

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3144/2701180353_35606ff9df_b.jpg

Turner Intake Manifold Gasket Kit

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/2701181221_84039cbd77_b.jpg

Head Gaskt Kit

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3004/2701182165_25eba88e2e_b.jpg

Something To Reference

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2701991414_a2c9faa7c4_b.jpg

Will update after I've cleaned all the motor accessories.

punnzzells
07-25-2008, 03:11 PM
nice build...

is that going to be a track or street car?

bmwm5lover
07-25-2008, 03:35 PM
So sweeeeeeeet.

Aveman
07-25-2008, 06:58 PM
nice build...

is that going to be a track or street car?

Thanks, it's going to be a street car.

CleanE30
07-27-2008, 10:08 PM
Very nice build... good luck with the project. Even with the stock 2.3L you will find that it is quite a preformer for any sort of twisties. I didn't quite enjoy the car until I took it to Mosport and it was plenty of fun.

You will love it when you are done!

legger
07-31-2008, 02:44 PM
The S14/M3 is retardedly fast on the track...my car is track only and is just a hair over 2000 pounds with a complete stripped/caged/seam welded body...still running a stock gas tank, and stock 318 brakes with Hawk pads and new Brembo rotors.

Stupid fast and only a newer Mini Cooper S can out break it!

Aveman
09-11-2008, 02:02 PM
Finally some updates.

I didn't have the right rod bearings, got them now.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/2848961022_3ce9ee6163_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/2848960130_467b92cb60_b.jpg

Checking the rod ends

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/2848958500_1b60a766f6_b.jpg

Rings

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2848959266_924514b93f_b.jpg


Pistons in

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3224/2848965004_5cab93dd10_b.jpg

Lubed

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3271/2848962532_9380d71c6b_b.jpg

Bottom end done up

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3060/2848131617_29eb598b36_b.jpg

Puting timing stuff in

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3014/2848966848_80d10f6475_b.jpg

Vales back in head

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3249/2848135125_f80e7d7ece_b.jpg

Head gasket I like to coat with tack a gaskets, gives a bit of insurance.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2161/2848968356_11657d290f_b.jpg

Aveman
09-11-2008, 02:03 PM
Head on

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2848969150_6789d45641_b.jpg

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Fresh Rails

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3258/2848972908_2f5fce1746_b.jpg

Cam tray goes on

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/2848143899_053a60812d_b.jpg

Pace should be pretty quick now, going to measure out the shims for the cams and keep moving along.

everlast
09-11-2008, 02:45 PM
Gawd that looks like an awful lot of work. I can, in no way, imagine myself being able to do this. Very impressive.

craz azn
09-11-2008, 03:18 PM
Why didn't you put the front cover on before putting the head on?

Aveman
09-11-2008, 03:54 PM
Why didn't you put the front cover on before putting the head on?

Didn't have my gasket spray for paper gaskets so wanted to wait for that. It slots in pretty easy still I checked.

Bullet Ride
09-11-2008, 04:14 PM
build is look good! Is it going to be done and in the car before the snow is here or is this going to be a full winter project?

Aveman
09-11-2008, 04:27 PM
build is look good! Is it going to be done and in the car before the snow is here or is this going to be a full winter project?

I hope to have it in the car and running very soon. Don't plan to drive the car much, just break in the motor and make the rest of the car nice for next season over the winter.

bmwm5lover
09-11-2008, 04:36 PM
So sick! Did you ever get a chance to check on what we talked about?(rod bearings)

Aveman
09-11-2008, 07:34 PM
Yeah I'll PM you.

tominizer
09-11-2008, 09:07 PM
There's always something special about a sweetly clean...........S14.

Aveman
09-19-2008, 08:31 PM
Jumping a little ahead here

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3222/2870091041_8d27c12b6e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/2870923850_05df4b6685_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3179/2870926202_3a453dc38a_b.jpg

I'll post up the pictures in between soon, it's on my friends camera.

It's going in tomorrow *rockout*

Oh yeah and before anyone says anything about the fram filter it's for break in, coming off after about 30 minutes of running. Damn thing was still $14 bucks, there is literally nothing cheap you can put on this motor, even a fram oil filter is overpriced.

Fel
09-19-2008, 08:56 PM
Sweet!

Aveman
09-23-2008, 11:47 AM
Drove it home last night, it was running like a top. Only issue i had when first got it started was it was idle hunting, traced that down to a transistor on the ecu for the icv. I think I understand why everyone says keep the s14, it kind of makes the car by the way it sounds and the way the power comes on. Couple things that surprised me was how comfortable the car is and I felt like I was in a lambo or something by the amount of looks the car was getting considering I still have work to get the body where I want it. Plan to take care of that over the winter.

I'll try to get a video up to finish the thread off.

Fel
09-23-2008, 12:06 PM
Awesome dude, glad to hear you got it running!! Can't wait to see it.

You gonna drive it much before winter? Or is it just going to get locked up as is right now and worked on? You should have a little fun with it while the body is still rough.. haha.

*th-up*

tominizer
09-23-2008, 01:11 PM
Awesome news................. Don and I had a little mini E30 M3 meeting over the weekend. My car still needs lots and lots of work :(

Aveman
09-25-2008, 02:52 PM
Awesome dude, glad to hear you got it running!! Can't wait to see it.

You gonna drive it much before winter? Or is it just going to get locked up as is right now and worked on? You should have a little fun with it while the body is still rough.. haha.

*th-up*

Thanks, I've been driving it on a dealer plate at night for the past couple nights. I've put about 200 kms on it so far, it starts in one crank and has been working great. I restored the paint with a zainos kit, clay bar then swirl remover, cleaner and wax. It came out really good, I'm going to try paintless dent removal and got some touch up paint. I might only end up needing to repaint the spoiler, passenger side sideskirt and the front bumper. Also need a new sunroof panel. It should look pretty decent from there. Not perfect but a 5-10 foot car if you know what I mean. One day I'll make it mint but I want to drive it without caring for now.

Anyone know if the side skirts are supposed to look dull, both the driver and passenger side skirts are dull. Like a semi-gloss finish.

The sound of the motor is awesome, I'm hoping I can get the dealer plate for the E30 meet. Don't wanna officially put it on the road till next spring.

I tried to get a video and pics last night, picked up new cheapy batteries and they were dead out of the package :rolleyes: