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dbworld4k
06-06-2008, 11:32 AM
Can you suggest a good swirl remover product to use on a black car? My car's paint is in pretty poor shape loaded with lots and lots of swirls, some of which are pretty strong. I'd like to purchase it locally.

Second, is it an absolute necessity to clay the car before I go to town with the swirl remover?

AceOfSpades
06-06-2008, 05:58 PM
to remove swirl marks, you need a polisher. it depends on the depth of the swirl marks. there are strong polishers and weak ones. try using a few combination, polish and pads and see which one works the best. remember those are 8hours minimum job if you want to do it right. menzena are good polishes
http://www.eshine.ca/
and yes, you will probably need a machine. They will give way better results compared to hand. and by hand it takes forever. take into account that you will also have to use a pre-wax lotion(because its gonna be like first time waxing) followed by a good waxing after that!

yea it is necessary to claybar the surface before polishing, because even if you gave the car your best wash, there is still ALOT of invisible contaminants left on the surface. you don't want to drag those in circles on your paint job as they are the ones responsible for swirl marks

i hope i answered your question. i am not a detailer, and please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong

Michel
06-06-2008, 05:58 PM
Anuk, i've got the mothers 3 stage thing that removes swirl marks and light scratches.. let me know we can do it at my place one weekend if you want. I've got the applicator and everythign.

agentM
06-08-2008, 11:40 PM
All swirl remover does the job. The question is how will it does the job. A polisher is a must to do a good job. Especially if you want to get it done in oneday.

carjoe
06-24-2008, 10:21 AM
I use Meguiar's #9. I don't know more than that other than it's the beige professional series.

T.Dot_E30
06-24-2008, 11:00 AM
I use Meguiar's #9. I don't know more than that other than it's the beige professional series.

fine cut or something like that? I think i use the same thing with a highspeed polisher, which is the key.

dbworld4k
06-25-2008, 01:19 AM
I forgot about this thread! Thanks for the replies folks. I bought myself a cheapo Simoniz ROP from CT. I figured at that price it's worth a shot and so far I am very pleased with the results. It may not be a PC7424, but it does plenty good for my needs! It's nice to fully polish/wax the car in less than half the time it used to take by hand.

Michel, I may take you up on that offer sometime soon :)

Michel
06-25-2008, 12:49 PM
^for sure man let me know. Maybe sometime before the Bimmmersport BBq ;) (gotta do my bros car too)

ImolaZHP
07-11-2008, 04:59 PM
Anuk, i've got the mothers 3 stage thing that removes swirl marks and light scratches.. let me know we can do it at my place one weekend if you want. I've got the applicator and everythign.

how well does the mothers 3 stage system work? and will it last, or after a few washes are the effects gone? i was thinking about getting it

trev0006
07-19-2008, 02:28 AM
I an scared of these products.

Steve@ASPTuning
07-19-2008, 03:41 AM
What I use for the shop here is a $50 Rona Orbital Sander, which is now a polisher that has a velcro pad.

Then buying from eshine.ca I bought the Lake Country White, and Orange cutting pads.

And since we are an authorized retailer of Prima products we use their polishing compound to polish the swirls, and deep scratches out.

Of course working on a black car makes life A LOT harder. There's only so much you can do without wetsanding.

In Toronto I do believe Bimmian carries Prima products.

Otherwise, you can also try Meguiars 85 diamond cut compound.
Then I would suggest using the orange pad for black vehicles or big jobs. You usually start with the more agressive pad, then work your way to the white pad. Then lastly use a sealent to protect the newly polished paint job!

And please do not do this by hand as it won't give you what your looking for... and plus I think overtime your going to have carpal tunnel syndrome. haha

Goodluck!

I hope that helps? If you have anymore questions or concerns please don't hesitate to PM me.

Thanks,
Steve
ASPTuning

AceOfSpades
07-19-2008, 03:46 AM
can you adjust the speed on the orbital sander?^^
also have you ever tried both the portercable and that one side by side?
*th-up*

Steve@ASPTuning
07-19-2008, 04:12 AM
can you adjust the speed on the orbital sander?^^
also have you ever tried both the portercable and that one side by side?
*th-up*

The $50 Rona Sander, yes its adjustable!!!

I suggest since its a different type of "polisher" you can set it to 4.5 and it should cut down on your passes that you have to do. So it cuts down on time. And you MUST do a 2x2 section at a time otherwise anything larger you will lose the effectiveness of the compound and you'll be pushing around liquid....

I have used the portercable before, its really worth the buy if you can find the right price. I would suggest Ken @ Bimmertools.com for that or your local Canadian Tire, but their prices are higher.

I your new at polishing both are awesome for beginners so you don't burn your paint. Only thing I suggest is go at lower speeds like 3 and you won't burn your paint. Obviously, you have to keep the machine moving in a pattern otherwise if you leave it in one spot for too long it'll burn.

Basically the $50 sander will do the same job as the $114 - $250 Portercable 7424.

http://www.rona.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10051&storeId=10001&langId=-1&selectItemId=&parentCategoryId=0&categoryId=10575&catentryList=&productId=168407

That's the link for the $50 sander.

Thanks,
Steve
ASPTuning

AceOfSpades
07-19-2008, 05:46 AM
ohhh man, that is soooo awesome.!!!! i've thought about getting the porter cable. i've always asked that question, " do i reallllllly need to spend that $250 for the porter cable or do i not" lol
i was trying to find cheaper alternatives as i didn't really need it as i have only a 'few' swirl marks
Thanks man, you are my life saver!

Steve@ASPTuning
07-19-2008, 03:12 PM
Hey not a problem! There's always a cheaper alternative to everything! That's why we are working hard constantly, looking for cheaper alternatives to your BMW aftermarket parts!

Steve
ASPTuning

Gamite
07-22-2008, 09:45 AM
ohhh man, that is soooo awesome.!!!! i've thought about getting the porter cable. i've always asked that question, " do i reallllllly need to spend that $250 for the porter cable or do i not" lol
i was trying to find cheaper alternatives as i didn't really need it as i have only a 'few' swirl marks
Thanks man, you are my life saver!

porter cable is $170 at eshine.ca

doogee
08-26-2008, 06:47 AM
how well does the mothers 3 stage system work? and will it last, or after a few washes are the effects gone? i was thinking about getting it

I spent 8 hours doing the 3 Step and it looked like a brand new paint job after. Unfortunately it seemed like after I washed it once, it was back to normal.

Michel
08-27-2008, 09:37 AM
^did you do claybar first? I did this on my bros car about 1 month ago but did claybar first, it looks/feels the same!

doogee
08-27-2008, 11:06 AM
Didn't claybar. I suppose that was the problem. Well I'll have to try that next time. Going to need to be reeeeally bored to get around to do that again though.

Gamite
08-27-2008, 01:19 PM
the 3 step doesn't actually remove swirls, just masks them. The reason why it washed away is probably you didn't apply a strong sealant.

Vicman17
10-30-2008, 12:34 PM
I spent 8 hours doing the 3 Step and it looked like a brand new paint job after. Unfortunately it seemed like after I washed it once, it was back to normal.

Looks like the scratches/ swirls are too deep to be fixed by the product. A lot of OTC products like Mother's or Meguiar's merely fill the swirls in, so it looks like the swirls were 'removed' until the product washes off. Sometimes, the PC can't even fix deep swirls. For deep scratches, a rotary buffer (Makita 9227, DeWalt 849) is needed to even out the clearcoat, but a pro detailer needs to do this so it does not end up in a disaster.

doogee
10-30-2008, 12:44 PM
Maybe I'll get it professionally buffed next summer. Anyone know how much that would cost?

Guelphguy
02-11-2009, 11:29 AM
Sorry to bring alive an old post but my question is:

I am new to the pro side of detailing, I have a black car that I just got and I would like to remove all the "swirls" in the paint. I would like to purchase a polisher and have a $100 gift card from Rona, so my choices are very limited. I really cannot afford to buy a PC right now. Would this work well for a newbie at swirl removal.

http://www.rona.ca/shop/~polisher---7-in.-grinder-sander-polisher-rona-307937_!polisher_shop

Or should I be looking for a orbital sander there?

http://www.rona.ca/shop/~sander---5-in.-orbital-sander-rona-168407_!orbital-sander_shop

Thanks.

Wes_R
02-14-2009, 10:29 PM
OMG, please do not use those on your car, your gonna end up paying more to fix the damage. Just save and buy a Porter Cable and do the job properly the first time.

Future_///M3
02-14-2009, 10:52 PM
My question is, a brand new Alpine White BMW picked up from the
dealer, when should it be first waxed or protected ?
Brand new on day one should anything be done, or wait a bit.

doogee
02-14-2009, 10:54 PM
My question is, a brand new Alpine White BMW picked up from the
dealer, when should it be first waxed or protected ?
Brand new on day one should anything be done, or wait a bit.

I'm sure it should be okay to wax since the paint obviously isn't BRAND new. Unless it is.

But it's always a good idea to wait a month just to be safe.

Vicman17
02-15-2009, 12:14 AM
Sorry to bring alive an old post but my question is:

I am new to the pro side of detailing, I have a black car that I just got and I would like to remove all the "swirls" in the paint. I would like to purchase a polisher and have a $100 gift card from Rona, so my choices are very limited. I really cannot afford to buy a PC right now. Would this work well for a newbie at swirl removal.

http://www.rona.ca/shop/~polisher---7-in.-grinder-sander-polisher-rona-307937_!polisher_shop

Or should I be looking for a orbital sander there?

http://www.rona.ca/shop/~sander---5-in.-orbital-sander-rona-168407_!orbital-sander_shop

Thanks.

The 7-inch variable looked OK at first but then the slowest speed is 2,500rpm, way too fast for swirl removal. Even with milder pads, it may have too much heat for the polish(es) to work properly.

Gamite
02-15-2009, 02:34 AM
My question is, a brand new Alpine White BMW picked up from the
dealer, when should it be first waxed or protected ?
Brand new on day one should anything be done, or wait a bit.

Right away. No sense in waiting since the paint has fully cured by the time you have picked it up.

Wes_R
02-15-2009, 03:48 AM
My question is, a brand new Alpine White BMW picked up from the
dealer, when should it be first waxed or protected ?
Brand new on day one should anything be done, or wait a bit.

I say right away also, but please do not get that dealership crap sealant that they charge you 1 trillion dollars for, it is a waste of money.

Buy your own Zaino Z2 and get the satisfaction of getting intimate with your car. Or pay a pro to do a proper new car prep for you.