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Boss17
05-29-2008, 02:37 PM
Does anyone know what a 328i/is runs stock in the quarter mile and what it's trap speed is? A link from a reputable source would be perfect too.

Eddie

Prash
05-30-2008, 07:14 PM
I recall 0 - 60 times around 6.2 - 6.4 second range and the q/m in 15 flat @ 92 - 94mph.

propr'one
05-30-2008, 07:33 PM
you can do better than that if you know how to drive.

most 328's i've seen can do about 14.6 if you know how to launch.

http://www.dragtimes.com/1997-BMW-328i-Pictures-5928.html

[Spare tire removed, Traction control removed, front tires 32 psi, rear tires 26 psi.]

That is a good time for a stock 328.

Max_VQ
06-01-2008, 12:27 PM
14.6 seems too quick to me.
Feb 99 Road and Track had it at 15.1

NOTORIOUS VR
06-01-2008, 12:35 PM
^^^^ Stop magazine racing please.

My buddys 328is with just an exhaust did a 14.5.

Max_VQ
06-01-2008, 06:45 PM
^^^^ Stop magazine racing please.
My buddys 328is with just an exhaust did a 14.5.

^^^^Stop comparing a stock time to non-stock car with exhaust. (Please)
~190 Hp & ~3200 does not = mid 14s. Maybe high 14s, low 15s.

maroli
06-01-2008, 07:36 PM
they make a little more than 193 hp, esp with some mileage in the engines

Max_VQ
06-01-2008, 08:56 PM
OK, a little more HP is freed as they wear.

However it looks like they have ~170 Hp at the wheels for STOCK.
http://www.ecisbmw.com/DMCart/dyno_files/97328idyno.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~matthew.c.smith/mods/cais/index.htm

Don't get me wrong, I am not slamming the car. Most cars that make 190~ HP and weigh ~3200lbs do the quarter in mid-low 15s.

Soldo
06-01-2008, 10:34 PM
All the magazines used to say that a 95 325 pulls a 16 flat. I managed to get 15.2 on my 325 when it was BONE STOCK. Mid 14's in a 328 is very believeable!

NOTORIOUS VR
06-01-2008, 11:41 PM
^^^^Stop comparing a stock time to non-stock car with exhaust. (Please)
~190 Hp & ~3200 does not = mid 14s. Maybe high 14s, low 15s.

Ohhh no! It had an exhaust :rolleyes:

I'll tell you right now, the exhaust didn't make the 0.6sec of a difference you are claiming from the magazine test.

Fact is, magazine racing is bad for you.

Boss17
06-02-2008, 12:48 PM
The reason for which I asked the question is because I have a speeding ticket to dispute and the officer is claiming that I did 83km/h in a 60. I'm trying to determine if that's even possible within 300m (this is from a dead stop) under regular driving (novice shifting) and right when traffic was starting to pick up also. I'm almost certain I will discredit the officer but if I have solid mathematical proof that 83km/h from a dead stop, in traffic, by a novice 5spd driver, over a 300m stretch is not very likely.

Blades
06-02-2008, 01:57 PM
The reason for which I asked the question is because I have a speeding ticket to dispute and the officer is claiming that I did 83km/h in a 60. I'm trying to determine if that's even possible within 300m (this is from a dead stop) under regular driving (novice shifting) and right when traffic was starting to pick up also. I'm almost certain I will discredit the officer but if I have solid mathematical proof that 83km/h from a dead stop, in traffic, by a novice 5spd driver, over a 300m stretch is not very likely.

I think it is .. I remember I got a similar ticket with my mazda mx6 years ago .. same .. about 300m 83 in a 60 and my car was 126hp (est)

propr'one
06-02-2008, 02:08 PM
Ohhh no! It had an exhaust :rolleyes:

I'll tell you right now, the exhaust didn't make the 0.6sec of a difference you are claiming from the magazine test.

Fact is, magazine racing is bad for you.

+1.

half the 328 owners put m3 exhausts on their cars, which, although not being as restrictive, are actually heavier.

if an exhaust would shave .6 seconds off the quarter, i'd have one.

Boss17
06-02-2008, 02:24 PM
I think it is .. I remember I got a similar ticket with my mazda mx6 years ago .. same .. about 300m 83 in a 60 and my car was 126hp (est)

0-83 in 300m driving normally? I'm not talkin about full throttle here. Not to mention that my car is 5spd and when i'm not driving it hard, my shifts are slow lol. I was stopped at a light and i could see the cop shooting his radar. I drove regularily, knowing that the limit was 60, I even got in the slow lane so this van behind me could pass. I'm 100% sure he clocked the van and pulled me over. He also didn't show me the radar after I had asked to view it.

Max_VQ
06-05-2008, 03:15 AM
Fact is, magazine racing is bad for you. Stop it with the "Magazine racing".

Unless BMW understates the HP of their engines, I can't see how a 3200lb car can do the quarter in mid-14s with ~190 HP. The older G35 has 260 HP and weighs in around 3500 and does mid-14s.

I will be at Cayuga in the next few weeks, and would love to run against a stock 328 and see what they run. Anyone up for this?

propr'one
06-05-2008, 05:16 AM
i'm kindof stock, i'll run you

what is your car, 540?

Michel
06-05-2008, 08:45 AM
..can do the quarter in mid-14s with ~190 HP. The older G35 has 260 HP and weighs in around 3500 and does mid-14s.

dont just look at the 190 hp, its mainly the 210 lb/ft of tq that matter in the 1/4 mile!

330ci05
06-05-2008, 09:01 AM
Stop it with the "Magazine racing".

Unless BMW understates the HP of their engines, I can't see how a 3200lb car can do the quarter in mid-14s with ~190 HP. The older G35 has 260 HP and weighs in around 3500 and does mid-14s.

I will be at Cayuga in the next few weeks, and would love to run against a stock 328 and see what they run. Anyone up for this?

+1

the stock 330 runs mid to high 14's, has more power and its about 100lb heavier.....

Max_VQ
06-05-2008, 10:36 AM
i'm kindof stock, i'll run you
what is your car, 540?
Cool, how about Friday June 13 (7-11PM) @ Cayuga ?
My car is a 530 and I hope to run mid-15s.

Blades
06-05-2008, 11:34 AM
dont just look at the 190 hp, its mainly the 210 lb/ft of tq that matter in the 1/4 mile!

please tell me your not trying to say torque is all that matters because thats completely wrong. Torque and Hp go hand in hand .. hp is just as important as torque.

330ci05
06-05-2008, 12:09 PM
Cool, how about Friday June 13 (7-11PM) @ Cayuga ?
My car is a 530 and I hope to run mid-15s.

i'll eat you both for lunch :P

if you guys go on saturday morning, there isn't anyone there, last time i went there were only few ppl and by the time i went down the 1/4 mile and back i lined up for a next run!!!

propr'one
06-05-2008, 12:33 PM
Cool, how about Friday June 13 (7-11PM) @ Cayuga ?
My car is a 530 and I hope to run mid-15s.

That's the night of midnightcruise.

do 530's have LSD? I'm assuming no, but just checking.

Max_VQ
06-05-2008, 12:34 PM
That's the night of midnightcruise.
do 530's have LSD? I'm assuming no, but just checking.
Nope.

Furious
06-05-2008, 12:35 PM
pffff i live my life a 1/4 mile at a time. my civic runs 5's yo!

Soldo
06-05-2008, 12:37 PM
My money's on the E39. I have no faith in Ivan's driving skills!

propr'one
06-05-2008, 12:40 PM
ironically enough mark, your civic is probably faster than a stock 328.

no free ballasts for you, kev.

Soldo
06-05-2008, 12:48 PM
ironically enough mark, your civic is probably faster than a stock 328.

no free ballasts for you, kev.

Hey hey hey!

Don't think you're an expert driver just cause you took a course on how to drive manual!
*shiner*:D:P

Michel
06-05-2008, 12:57 PM
please tell me your not trying to say torque is all that matters because thats completely wrong. Torque and Hp go hand in hand .. hp is just as important as torque.

thats not wat i completly meant, but in the 328's they've got real high torque, compared to other cars in that range, therefore thats wat gives them that competitive advantage at the 1/4 mile. For example, a honda prelude is at 200 hp and 160tq, it weighs about the same but it runs low - mid 15's. of course, putting aside the FWD traction issues..

maroli
06-05-2008, 01:21 PM
330's are over 200 pounds heavier than a 328

NOTORIOUS VR
06-05-2008, 01:29 PM
Stop it with the "Magazine racing".

That was your first defense when someone here said that a 328 can do a mid 14. You started blabbing magazine times. Not me.

Unless BMW understates the HP of their engines, I can't see how a 3200lb car can do the quarter in mid-14s with ~190 HP. The older G35 has 260 HP and weighs in around 3500 and does mid-14s.

I will be at Cayuga in the next few weeks, and would love to run against a stock 328 and see what they run. Anyone up for this?

You know, not every 328 will do mid 14's out of the box. Some cars just go better then others do, even tho they're the same model. But as you'd have seen in this thread not just my buddy went mid 14's in a 328 others have too. So for you to pull out magazine numbers because YOU don't believe it is possible is why I'm in this thread. because I know someone who DID get that time out of a 328.

Does anyone here have a time slip from their (healthy) 328? to see the trap speeds?

maroli
06-05-2008, 02:30 PM
on the topic, what would a stock 328 with a 3.23 diff run 0-60?

Max_VQ
06-05-2008, 03:31 PM
...But as you'd have seen in this thread not just my buddy went mid 14's in a 328 others have too. So for you to pull out magazine numbers because YOU don't believe it is possible is why I'm in this thread. because I know someone who DID get that time out of a 328.
Magazines are a reference point. As we all know different cars, with different drivers, at different track equals different times.

I believe what I see. Let's have some fun and make it a "MaxForums drag day."

Michel
06-05-2008, 04:10 PM
330's are over 200 pounds heavier than a 328


true, i ran in my bro 330 last summer with a BADLYY slipping clutch, a 60'of 2.4 secs and trap speed of 98mph (? if i remember the trap speed correctly, i can confirm when i get home) + 18" staggered rims and i ran 14.7

and a 330 is only about 20-30 hp more, and not much more tq... but quite heavier!

NOTORIOUS VR
06-05-2008, 04:27 PM
true, i ran in my bro 330 last summer with a BADLYY slipping clutch, a 60'of 2.4 secs and trap speed of 98mph (? if i remember the trap speed correctly, i can confirm when i get home) + 18" staggered rims and i ran 14.7

and a 330 is only about 20-30 hp more, and not much more tq... but quite heavier!

98mph is good for a 14sec flat 1/4 mile time with a better 60'... and a better clutch ;)

if not at LEAST a low low 14.

98Dinan3
06-05-2008, 04:37 PM
I can add some input to this. I went to Cayuga a few weeks ago and ran a 15.3 @ 89mph. I have a 323 (2.5L)with bolt-ons/software and dynoed 175whp and 178 ft/lbs of torque. I also have a 3.38 LSD, LTW FW, SSK, etc...

Now, the night was cold, and the track was fairly slick. Everyone was having a hard time hooking up. With that said, I had a 2.2 60' time, with a rather slow R/T of 0.533. This was with a full tank of gas, spare in place, and the subs in the trunk. I was also running 40psi in the rear tires. It was my first time down the strip, and I think that cost me a bit of time. I think with an empty car, a little more experience, and a warmer day I could make a 14.5 pass... maybe a even a little better. Could a stock 328 do that? I don't know...

I guess it's possible a stock 328 could make a mid 14-sec pass, but the lack of LSD makes it a little unlikely. Dan (325iguy) has a 328 with intake, exhaust, and a 3.15 non-LSD diff, and ran around 16 flat. I think he trapped around 89 mph. The open diff made it difficult to launch hard. BTW... Dan's car dynoed 178 hp and 189 ft/lbs the same day/same dyno as mine.

Michel
06-05-2008, 05:13 PM
98mph is good for a 14sec flat 1/4 mile time with a better 60'... and a better clutch ;)

if not at LEAST a low low 14.

yea well now hes got an m5 clutch put in and uuc stage II flywheel, so I'm aiming at 14.0-14.3 this year! lol*wiggle*

MP328
06-05-2008, 06:57 PM
15.2 @ 94mph was my time a few years back... only shark injector and K&N replacement filter.... and offcourse with the spare and the sub in the back too. this has to be 3-4 years ago by now...

the funny thing was, that was my first run of the night and after that i kept getting slower and slower and slower lol, last run being a 15.7 and then 18.5 lolol, missed the 3rd gear and didnt turn traction control off


i wouldnt mind going again soon, just to see if my car lost any power with now 211K on it

330ci05
06-05-2008, 07:31 PM
330's are over 200 pounds heavier than a 328

they are 3285.... Well it depends on what options you put on, so you saying the 328 is just over 3000?

maroli
06-06-2008, 02:34 AM
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=15268

has it at 3075
and the e46 330 at 200+ pounds over

Sa///M3
06-06-2008, 02:59 AM
I believe what I see. Let's have some fun and make it a "MaxForums drag day."
Sounds like fun!

Set it up!

330ci05
06-06-2008, 09:02 AM
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=15268

has it at 3075
and the e46 330 at 200+ pounds over

2001 330ci is 3318 .... so thats 243 more.... didn't know that.... :eek:*shiner*

my car is down to 3075 and it feels much better!!!!

maroli
06-06-2008, 12:32 PM
In the words of Gordon Murray, Colin Chapman, and Steve Mosler


'Weight is the enemy'

1BADBMR
06-06-2008, 03:18 PM
Sounds like we need a track day @ Cayuga

thinair
06-06-2008, 05:48 PM
Just a few notes on this thread:
- horsepower is a meaningless number, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, torque is all that matters
- I'm pretty sure BMW quoted the stock 328 to be 3120lbs
- stock 328's can easily dip into the high 14's

As a totally unrelated note, with all my mods (minus the intake and weight reduction) I've hit 14.1 with Toyo T1R tires. After the weight reduction I'm at 3049lbs with a full tank of fuel, but I haven't been to the strip since.

Blades
06-06-2008, 07:54 PM
Just a few notes on this thread:
- horsepower is a meaningless number, don't let anyone tell you otherwise, torque is all that matters
- I'm pretty sure BMW quoted the stock 328 to be 3120lbs
- stock 328's can easily dip into the high 14's

As a totally unrelated note, with all my mods (minus the intake and weight reduction) I've hit 14.1 with Toyo T1R tires. After the weight reduction I'm at 3049lbs with a full tank of fuel, but I haven't been to the strip since.

dude you couldnt be more wrong. You dont know anything if torque is all that matters.

do some reading ..

http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html

if torque only mattered then a ford F-150 would smoke you in a drag race.

98Dinan3
06-06-2008, 10:08 PM
I actually raced an SVT Lightning on my second pass @ Cayuga. I beat him by a tenth of a second, but he trapped 100mph, while I trapped 90mph. He couldn't get it to hook up, and I left on him... but he was gaining FAST at the end of the track.

thinair
06-06-2008, 11:05 PM
dude you couldnt be more wrong. You dont know anything if torque is all that matters.

do some reading ..

http://www.vettenet.org/torquehp.html

if torque only mattered then a ford F-150 would smoke you in a drag race.

Read one of the last lines of that article, the one that begins with "Repeat after me..."

Horsepower is just a formula, governed by torque. The F-150 is a horrible example too, following that logic a Kenworth would smoke everything Ferrari ever made too. Where the torque is made (which is what the HP formula is based on, using RPM), and gearing (how the torque is multiplied) is what makes a car go fast. Horsepower to me is still a useless number, when figuring out shiftpoints to keep the most power on the ground, you use torque numbers exclusively.

Blades
06-07-2008, 08:50 AM
Read one of the last lines of that article, the one that begins with "Repeat after me..."

Horsepower is just a formula, governed by torque. The F-150 is a horrible example too, following that logic a Kenworth would smoke everything Ferrari ever made too. Where the torque is made (which is what the HP formula is based on, using RPM), and gearing (how the torque is multiplied) is what makes a car go fast. Horsepower to me is still a useless number, when figuring out shiftpoints to keep the most power on the ground, you use torque numbers exclusively.

what about honda's that are drag cars? lots of torque loss but high HP .. near the end of the 1/4 mile they would take you because its HP that matters in the long run and torque in the beginning.

and that last line had nothing to do with torque over hp but torque at a certain rpm.

Mystikal
06-07-2008, 11:33 AM
what about honda's that are drag cars? lots of torque loss but high HP .. near the end of the 1/4 mile they would take you because its HP that matters in the long run and torque in the beginning.

and that last line had nothing to do with torque over hp but torque at a certain rpm.

That's the gearing part. Seriously the article you posted is counter to what you're saying.

Michel
06-07-2008, 12:26 PM
what about honda's that are drag cars?

Honda's are light thats why. They are lik 2200-2400 lbs. So pretty much 1000lbs lighter than a 328. General rule of thumb is for each 100lbs you loose, you gain 0.1 second on the 1/4 mile, so thats in theory a whole second gained if you reduced the 328 of 1000lbs! So you'd be running 13's...

Can someone correct this? This is what I've read somewhere before..

91momoE30
06-07-2008, 01:31 PM
i have heard this theory before,
I believe it.

maroli
06-10-2008, 02:59 AM
I don't fully believe that horsepower has nothing to do with it, because new age diesels, with similar hp and wayyy more torque than their petrol counterparts, ie 335, are still slower in the quarter mile. And the diesels aren't much heavier.

540i6
06-10-2008, 12:47 PM
I smoke 328i's in my honda hahah!

Michel
06-10-2008, 12:50 PM
^I smoke m3's in mine... but try taking a turn in your honda... you'll understeer into a wall.

Soldo
06-10-2008, 01:10 PM
I don't fully believe that horsepower has nothing to do with it, because new age diesels, with similar hp and wayyy more torque than their petrol counterparts, ie 335, are still slower in the quarter mile. And the diesels aren't much heavier.


I believe this is where gearing would come into play.

I heard about the weight theory too, but i think it might be impossible to get an E36 to loose 1000lbs without removing the engine or cutting it in half!

maroli
06-10-2008, 01:33 PM
so if gearing came into play, you're saying that the gearing is taller because of the diesels torque superiority meaning it would theoretically run a higher top speed?

Soldo
06-10-2008, 02:07 PM
I can't remember how it works again, i just had this discussion a few weeks ago since i was on the same side your on. If i remember correctly, the high tq a diesel has it needs to have gearing that is suited for it. Which make it slightly slower than it's gas counterpart!

propr'one
06-10-2008, 02:10 PM
I smoke 328i's in my honda hahah!

i laugh at guys in honda's trying to race me in my 328:P

Prash
06-10-2008, 05:35 PM
After reading this thread I feel like my 540 has no chance against one of these 328's.

Furious
06-10-2008, 07:15 PM
ironically enough mark, your civic is probably faster than a stock 328.

no free ballasts for you, kev.

wow forgot about this thread... i highly doubt with my horrible horrible tranny that i could manage anything more than 18 secs in the 1/4,


a stock 328 is very peppy for its hp/trq ratings.

rendered
06-10-2008, 08:15 PM
i'll eat you both for lunch :P

if you guys go on saturday morning, there isn't anyone there, last time i went there were only few ppl and by the time i went down the 1/4 mile and back i lined up for a next run!!!

and then I'll eat you for a snack :P and then just for embarrasments sake, I'll bring my other two cars and beat you furthermore. LOL

My 330ci ZHP did a 13.8 with me driving it. I'm sure a more skilled driver can make this car do better!

which leads me to believe the claim of a 328 being a mid 14 second car!

slimjim
06-10-2008, 09:17 PM
wow forgot about this thread... i highly doubt with my horrible horrible tranny that i could manage anything more than 18 secs in the 1/4,


a stock 328 is very peppy for its hp/trq ratings.

looks like u have a drag partner! :P. Lets just say my tranny makes its own music*th-up*

P.S, is anyone going to go to cayuga for the drag? if enough ppl are going (3-5), ill come out with the e30! and run ur show! :)